Suicide on Webcam

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[quote]Qaash wrote:
B rocK wrote:
Wow.

Poor KID (only 19??).

I feel for him and his friends/family at a time like this. There are always places to turn to.

Hopefully bb.com get’s some real negative flak from this situation. There are some real sick f*cks over there…

Not for nothing…it could have easily happened here too. It just happened to be BB.com this time around. I don’t think demonizing an entire website is right. We’ve had a few post that were similar to the one that boy posted and we’ve had similar reactions to it, granted no one ever flat out stated they were going to off themselves but it seems it doesn’t take much to send someone in that state over the edge.[/quote]

No, your right…that was just my initial response. Then I went and took a look on the site and like my 2nd post said; there are some decent people that are just as upset as us/the rest of the world about the whole way it was handled/not handled.

I personally haven’t been privy to any of the posts you say are similar in any way…but I can imagine that there could have been.

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I guess it wasnt erased but just highly edited.

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[quote]SBPnewbie wrote:
I got up early this morning, I just couldn’t sleep, now I am waiting to head to the fire station. I was looking at the forum and ran across this thread, very sad. I have ran across a lot of suicide attempts as well as successful ones, it is nothing pretty and very sad. I was like a bunch of these TROLLS that say “they are weak, why cant they talk to someone!” But then something happen, after responding to calls of such nature my life became their life, I was depressed and sad from seeing this first hand. I was actually becoming them from their suicides, sad.

I talked to a shrink and researched the subject myself, just LIKE diseases that are out their, depression is TRUE it is a disease, it is due to the lack of serotonin or dopamine in the brain and YES sometimes we do need medication. It is so easy to bash these people unless you have experienced it yourself, I think we have all had some sort of depression but have handled it differently.

Just remember guys, YOU might handle it differently(you might think “losers, weaklings etc”) but until its yourself, son, mother, father, brother, sister someone you care for deeply you wont ever understand. I know that you have a RIGHT to express your opinion but lets try to understand and help these people that call, call, call for help. Oh by the way, you remember the Great Depression? Remember all those jumpers from that time? Have a good day.
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Look, man, it’s not an issue about if depression is a disease or not. It comes down to three factors: 1.) Finishing your life in the ultimate “Look-at-Me” fashion - Narcissism. 2.) Having no respect for those around you and those that gave birth to you - Narcissism. 3.) Not having any perspective as to how good you really have it compared to the other people - narcissism.

Suicide is the ultimate form of self-flattery and attention, and it’s a WASTE of human life. If someone is suffering from a perpetual spell of depression, it is THEIR responsibility to seek out professional and sustained help. Please forgive everyone else for continuining on with their lives - it’s not anyone else’s duty to be the guy’s babysitter. The fact is is that suicide is the most selfish and immature way out of a situation. Let’s go back to 1., 2., and 3.

1.) Since this is a ‘special’ suicide, I’ll treat it as so. Any normal suicide is different, okay? Hanging yourself, “going down the train tracks” while alone in your bathtub, things like that, are intimate, self-pitying ways to off yourself. While I still think they’re dumb, they’re on a much smaller, more localized scale. This kid went on to a LARGELY popular site, with known trolls and idiots since it’s been established, and issued a ‘cry for help.’

Since he committed suicide on a public outlet that serves as a major-media website, it’s clearly not just for his own self-fullfilment. This was served as a big, public “Fuck you” and the dude clearly just wanted to leave behind a legacy - Look, now he’s the kid who committed suicide on the internet. Maybe somehow 2+2 no longer equals 4, but to me, that’s no different than killing another person for attention or for a legacy. Prove me wrong.

Let’s look at the facts… this kid was a known troll. This is on BODYBUILDING.com, not TheViewforums.com for God’s sakes. Do you really, honestly think that 80% of the people that participated in the threads believed he was killing himself at first? I really doubt it.

I don’t understand why people are defending his actions. Death is the ultimate intimacy, and should never be a self-controlled, legacy-binding video ON THE INTERNET.

2.) No respect. This is an even bigger issue for me than #1, honestly. I have a friend whose dad tried to commit suicide, failed, and then tried to commit suicide AGAIN. Needless to say, it put her family through a fair share of grief. I’ll say this once, and if need be, I’ll continue to drill it into people’s thick skulls: SUICIDE IS THE MOST SELFISH THING YOU COULD EVER DO.

What about his parents, who spent thousands, if not more, dollars on him? Who put an effort into raising him straight and well? What about his friends, who invested a lot of time in getting close with him, doing things together, getting personal ties? How is this supposed to make them feel - Like it’s their fault? No, by your reasoning, it’s a state of depression. So then they start to second-guess themselves. “What could I have done differently? Should I have seen the warning signs?” NO! IT’S NOT ANYONE ELSE’S RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK OUT FOR ANYONE ELSE’S FUCKING SUICIDAL TENDENCIES, DAMMIT!

Excuse me if I believe in self-accountability. I guarantee this kid was conscious of his suicidal thoughts. He probably knew they were wrong, immoral, and selfish. Yet, he did nothing about it except for act on impulse. This is a blatant disregard for any sort of emotional, monetary, or personal investment anyone has put into him. Never mind anyone else, just do whatcha please. I think we should all instigate this kind of thinking from now on - Let’s not work together, sort things out, or approach things from a logical perspective. Hell no - Let’s just act on impulse! Anything great throughout time has been accomplished by impulse… right?

Give me a break. This act was as selfish as it comes, and he obviously didn’t give a flying fuck about those he was going to hurt around him, which is… Ding ding ding! Narcissism!

3.) This drives me crazy. Go up to a person in Ethiopia. Look at their living conditions. Look at what they have to do every day just to stay alive. Then, tell them why this kid committed suicide. Take a video of it, and let me see their face. I guarantee it’ll be a look of confusion, and they’d ask “Why would he do that?” Tell them that it was because of ‘pressure’ that his parents put on him for school, and that a girl doesn’t like him. They’ll likely say “I can’t afford to go to our one school in the mainland, my parents were killed in front of my eyes when our village was hoarded by insurgents, along with my wife, who was violently raped and disposed of. Yet I continue to do my job because I’M still alive and I STILL HAVE SOMETHING TO LIVE FOR.”

If I even have to further comment on why this dude has no business committing suicide compared to the BILLIONS of people living in sub-standard conditions, then I’m essentially talking to something with the intelligence of a chair.

If people read this post and still don’t feel any different, then I really have no business discussing this any further, because we’re clearly on a different level here. For the religious folks, I could have speculated on the ‘eternal’ reprocussions of suicide, but I don’t even want to go there.

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Kids do stupid shit.

I don’t know many adults who can look back on their teen years and not see a time when they could’ve gotten themselves or someone else killed.

19 is a kid. If that offends someone on here and they want to spout off about how they’re 19 and would never…BLAH BLAH BLAH
^^^
Kids say stupid shit too, see above.

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tell me if hes a normal troll?

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I am seeing this in a broader sense of this casual callousness that seems to be growing and that some folks even think is cool.
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I don’t know, this sense of callousness you refer to has always been “cool”. Maybe I am just thinking of when I was in high school, but I saw a lot of really cruel stuff done to other people because it’s “fun”.

I don’t know how to explain over the intertoobz. But this trend isn’t growing, it is already epidemic. At least that’s what I think.

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I can’t help but feel sad…especially for the parents…I keep imagining the mom sitting in the other room while all that was going on.

I have an almost seven year old boy, and I don’t want to believe that he would EVER be hurting that much inside that I couldn’t help him…

so sad.

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[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
Kids do stupid shit.

I don’t know many adults who can look back on their teen years and not see a time when they could’ve gotten themselves or someone else killed.

19 is a kid. If that offends someone on here and they want to spout off about how they’re 19 and would never…BLAH BLAH BLAH
^^^
Kids say stupid shit too, see above.[/quote]

Please, elaborate on what’s “stupid” about the post.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
MarvelGirl wrote:
Kids do stupid shit.

I don’t know many adults who can look back on their teen years and not see a time when they could’ve gotten themselves or someone else killed.

19 is a kid. If that offends someone on here and they want to spout off about how they’re 19 and would never…BLAH BLAH BLAH
^^^
Kids say stupid shit too, see above.

Please, elaborate on what’s “stupid” about the post.[/quote]

Honestly it’s not a stupid post but it is one that is not well informed. I used to think as you do, still do to an extent but depression is a real event. You and I may feel sad every once in a while but what happens to someone who suffers from clinical depression that goes untreated is beyond what you or I can comprehend.

And that’s what it all boils down to, what we can comprehend. We can’t understand why someone would do that to themselves, it’s not logical…it doesn’t make sense to us, they don’t have it that bad. However, with a biological imbalance that goes undetected anything is possible. He reached out to the world and the world failed to act until it was too late.

Not their fault really, I may not have egged him on but I probably wouldn’t have taken it seriously either. It may have taken just one voice to say, don’t do it to stop that young man…he never heard it.

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Guys, seriously, teh MISC may have saved my life. Freshman year in high school, I wanted to get huge, so naturally go to bodybuilding.com to get my supps.

See back in the day on BB.com forums you were allowed to post nud3z and talk about fisting — like 6 years ago. Well I was a depressed high school kid at boarding school. A couple people talked about suicide and when people were like “do it dickface” I realized that people killing themselves are dickfaces, and decided to never do it. — Seriously though, the laughter I got from some of the posts helped get me through freshman year in high school (all boys boarding school).

Once they stopped letting guys post nudes and talk about fisting I left, and eventually came here and learned how to not be a degenerate.

Oh well, at least his cat doesn’t have to catch him beating his meat anymore.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
SBPnewbie wrote:
I got up early this morning, I just couldn’t sleep, now I am waiting to head to the fire station. I was looking at the forum and ran across this thread, very sad. I have ran across a lot of suicide attempts as well as successful ones, it is nothing pretty and very sad. I was like a bunch of these TROLLS that say “they are weak, why cant they talk to someone!” But then something happen, after responding to calls of such nature my life became their life, I was depressed and sad from seeing this first hand. I was actually becoming them from their suicides, sad.

I talked to a shrink and researched the subject myself, just LIKE diseases that are out their, depression is TRUE it is a disease, it is due to the lack of serotonin or dopamine in the brain and YES sometimes we do need medication. It is so easy to bash these people unless you have experienced it yourself, I think we have all had some sort of depression but have handled it differently.

Just remember guys, YOU might handle it differently(you might think “losers, weaklings etc”) but until its yourself, son, mother, father, brother, sister someone you care for deeply you wont ever understand. I know that you have a RIGHT to express your opinion but lets try to understand and help these people that call, call, call for help. Oh by the way, you remember the Great Depression? Remember all those jumpers from that time? Have a good day.

Look, man, it’s not an issue about if depression is a disease or not. It comes down to three factors: 1.) Finishing your life in the ultimate “Look-at-Me” fashion - Narcissism. 2.) Having no respect for those around you and those that gave birth to you - Narcissism. 3.) Not having any perspective as to how good you really have it compared to the other people - narcissism.

Suicide is the ultimate form of self-flattery and attention, and it’s a WASTE of human life. If someone is suffering from a perpetual spell of depression, it is THEIR responsibility to seek out professional and sustained help. Please forgive everyone else for continuining on with their lives - it’s not anyone else’s duty to be the guy’s babysitter. The fact is is that suicide is the most selfish and immature way out of a situation. Let’s go back to 1., 2., and 3.

1.) Since this is a ‘special’ suicide, I’ll treat it as so. Any normal suicide is different, okay? Hanging yourself, “going down the train tracks” while alone in your bathtub, things like that, are intimate, self-pitying ways to off yourself. While I still think they’re dumb, they’re on a much smaller, more localized scale. This kid went on to a LARGELY popular site, with known trolls and idiots since it’s been established, and issued a ‘cry for help.’

Since he committed suicide on a public outlet that serves as a major-media website, it’s clearly not just for his own self-fullfilment. This was served as a big, public “Fuck you” and the dude clearly just wanted to leave behind a legacy - Look, now he’s the kid who committed suicide on the internet. Maybe somehow 2+2 no longer equals 4, but to me, that’s no different than killing another person for attention or for a legacy. Prove me wrong.

Let’s look at the facts… this kid was a known troll. This is on BODYBUILDING.com, not TheViewforums.com for God’s sakes. Do you really, honestly think that 80% of the people that participated in the threads believed he was killing himself at first? I really doubt it.

I don’t understand why people are defending his actions. Death is the ultimate intimacy, and should never be a self-controlled, legacy-binding video ON THE INTERNET.

2.) No respect. This is an even bigger issue for me than #1, honestly. I have a friend whose dad tried to commit suicide, failed, and then tried to commit suicide AGAIN. Needless to say, it put her family through a fair share of grief. I’ll say this once, and if need be, I’ll continue to drill it into people’s thick skulls: SUICIDE IS THE MOST SELFISH THING YOU COULD EVER DO.

What about his parents, who spent thousands, if not more, dollars on him? Who put an effort into raising him straight and well? What about his friends, who invested a lot of time in getting close with him, doing things together, getting personal ties? How is this supposed to make them feel - Like it’s their fault? No, by your reasoning, it’s a state of depression. So then they start to second-guess themselves. “What could I have done differently? Should I have seen the warning signs?” NO! IT’S NOT ANYONE ELSE’S RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK OUT FOR ANYONE ELSE’S FUCKING SUICIDAL TENDENCIES, DAMMIT!

Excuse me if I believe in self-accountability. I guarantee this kid was conscious of his suicidal thoughts. He probably knew they were wrong, immoral, and selfish. Yet, he did nothing about it except for act on impulse. This is a blatant disregard for any sort of emotional, monetary, or personal investment anyone has put into him. Never mind anyone else, just do whatcha please. I think we should all instigate this kind of thinking from now on - Let’s not work together, sort things out, or approach things from a logical perspective. Hell no - Let’s just act on impulse! Anything great throughout time has been accomplished by impulse… right?

Give me a break. This act was as selfish as it comes, and he obviously didn’t give a flying fuck about those he was going to hurt around him, which is… Ding ding ding! Narcissism!

3.) This drives me crazy. Go up to a person in Ethiopia. Look at their living conditions. Look at what they have to do every day just to stay alive. Then, tell them why this kid committed suicide. Take a video of it, and let me see their face. I guarantee it’ll be a look of confusion, and they’d ask “Why would he do that?” Tell them that it was because of ‘pressure’ that his parents put on him for school, and that a girl doesn’t like him. They’ll likely say “I can’t afford to go to our one school in the mainland, my parents were killed in front of my eyes when our village was hoarded by insurgents, along with my wife, who was violently raped and disposed of. Yet I continue to do my job because I’M still alive and I STILL HAVE SOMETHING TO LIVE FOR.”

If I even have to further comment on why this dude has no business committing suicide compared to the BILLIONS of people living in sub-standard conditions, then I’m essentially talking to something with the intelligence of a chair.

If people read this post and still don’t feel any different, then I really have no business discussing this any further, because we’re clearly on a different level here. For the religious folks, I could have speculated on the ‘eternal’ reprocussions of suicide, but I don’t even want to go there.[/quote]

I’ve read a couple of your previous posts and I made it halfway through the 2 sentence of this one.

I don’t give a shit about you wanting to justify that suicside is wrong. You saying that is was disrespectful to his family etc. but that is not going to make his family and friends feel happy that he is no longer here or less hurt and sad.

If you don’t have compassion fine, but keep your preaching for another topic and another day.

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[quote]JGerman wrote:

I’ve read a couple of your previous posts and I made it halfway through the 2 sentence of this one.

I don’t give a shit about you wanting to justify that suicside is wrong. You saying that is was disrespectful to his family etc. but that is not going to make his family and friends feel happy that he is no longer here or less hurt and sad.

If you don’t have compassion fine, but keep your preaching for another topic and another day.
[/quote]

Dude - All you just did was justify what I said. “but that is not going to make his family and friends feel happy that he is no longer here or less hurt and sad.” Duh - obvious statement of the century. I’ll betcha his family and friends wouldn’t be sad if he wouldn’t have committed suicide in the first place.

When did people forget that those who commit suicide are murderers?

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[quote]SSC wrote:
MarvelGirl wrote:
Kids do stupid shit.

I don’t know many adults who can look back on their teen years and not see a time when they could’ve gotten themselves or someone else killed.

19 is a kid. If that offends someone on here and they want to spout off about how they’re 19 and would never…BLAH BLAH BLAH
^^^
Kids say stupid shit too, see above.

Please, elaborate on what’s “stupid” about the post.[/quote]

I pointed at it.
“I’m 19 and I’m so much smarter, I’m 19 and I’m not annoying, I’m 19 and I’m better, blah blah blah” Those are among my most hated stupid teenager sayings.

I wasn’t referring to your novel.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
When did people forget that those who commit suicide are murderers?[/quote]

^^^
This, however, is fucking retarded.

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[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
SSC wrote:
MarvelGirl wrote:
Kids do stupid shit.

I don’t know many adults who can look back on their teen years and not see a time when they could’ve gotten themselves or someone else killed.

19 is a kid. If that offends someone on here and they want to spout off about how they’re 19 and would never…BLAH BLAH BLAH
^^^
Kids say stupid shit too, see above.

Please, elaborate on what’s “stupid” about the post.

I pointed at it.
“I’m 19 and I’m so much smarter, I’m 19 and I’m not annoying, I’m 19 and I’m better, blah blah blah” Those are among my most hated stupid teenager sayings.

I wasn’t referring to your novel.[/quote]

Who’s 19, besides the kid who committed suicide? And where are those quotations coming from? I’m honestly curious, because your posts aren’t pertinent to any relevant discussion currently being held.

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[quote]SBPnewbie wrote:
I talked to a shrink and researched the subject myself, just LIKE diseases that are out their, depression is TRUE it is a disease, it is due to the lack of serotonin or dopamine in the brain and YES sometimes we do need medication. It is so easy to bash these people unless you have experienced it yourself, I think we have all had some sort of depression but have handled it differently.
[/quote]

Dopamine and serotonin? Nonsense! That’s too much science speak for me to understand. They’re just mentally weak. I don’t have any problems with my neurotransmitters, so they shouldn’t either.

And while we’re at it, fuck those Type I Diabetes assholes too. Why can’t they just will their beta cells to function properly? Attention whores if you ask me. “Wah, wah, wah. I have to inject insulin. Wah!”

Oh yeah, my shit doesn’t stink either. Take that.

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In my line of work you get confronted with people who committed (a) suicide (attempt) on a daily basis. What I’ve learned so far is that every case is different in it’s story. While I have to keep a certain professional distance, I can not say that there is one of them that didn’t touch me in some way.

To say that they are attention whores and cowards doesn’t apply. They lost touch with reality, they don’t have control any more over their rational thinking abilities and, as a consequence, lost all perspective. They are as vulnirable as one can be. They have to be taken serious. Of course some of them are in search for attention, some of the attempts are in fact an ultimate cry for help. But I’ve seen lots of cases where the opposite is also true, they just want to be left alone and take lots of precautions for fear of being interrupted during their attempt.

People on the verge of committing suicide are beyond any judgement. Rather then looking at the actual suicide, try to look why and how they got in this situation in the first place. And try to imagin how their family will have to cope with this.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
MarvelGirl wrote:
SSC wrote:
MarvelGirl wrote:
Kids do stupid shit.

I don’t know many adults who can look back on their teen years and not see a time when they could’ve gotten themselves or someone else killed.

19 is a kid. If that offends someone on here and they want to spout off about how they’re 19 and would never…BLAH BLAH BLAH
^^^
Kids say stupid shit too, see above.

Please, elaborate on what’s “stupid” about the post.

I pointed at it.
“I’m 19 and I’m so much smarter, I’m 19 and I’m not annoying, I’m 19 and I’m better, blah blah blah” Those are among my most hated stupid teenager sayings.

I wasn’t referring to your novel.

Who’s 19, besides the kid who committed suicide? And where are those quotations coming from? I’m honestly curious, because your posts aren’t pertinent to any relevant discussion currently being held.[/quote]

So you have the ability to write, but you can’t fucking read. That’s interesting.

Don’t ask me questions about what I posted and then pretend that you didn’t fucking read the post you asked about. That makes you look really stupid.

This guy was a kid. Kids do stupid shit. You’ll understand that when you’re older and realize that you don’t know everything.

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This is not the place to be bickering right now. A young man needlessly is no longer alive.

The antics of the members of that site and the moderation were deplorable. Unfortunately, I am seeing some comments on this site that makes me ashamed of some of our own members.

My thoughts and prayers are with this boys family. Hopefully some of the involved people will develop a conscience throughout this process.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
Look, man, it’s not an issue about if depression is a disease or not. It comes down to three factors: 1.) Finishing your life in the ultimate “Look-at-Me” fashion - Narcissism. 2.) Having no respect for those around you and those that gave birth to you - Narcissism. 3.) Not having any perspective as to how good you really have it compared to the other people - narcissism.

Suicide is the ultimate form of self-flattery and attention, and it’s a WASTE of human life. If someone is suffering from a perpetual spell of depression, it is THEIR responsibility to seek out professional and sustained help. Please forgive everyone else for continuining on with their lives - it’s not anyone else’s duty to be the guy’s babysitter. The fact is is that suicide is the most selfish and immature way out of a situation. Let’s go back to 1., 2., and 3.

1.) Since this is a ‘special’ suicide, I’ll treat it as so. Any normal suicide is different, okay? Hanging yourself, “going down the train tracks” while alone in your bathtub, things like that, are intimate, self-pitying ways to off yourself. While I still think they’re dumb, they’re on a much smaller, more localized scale. This kid went on to a LARGELY popular site, with known trolls and idiots since it’s been established, and issued a ‘cry for help.’

Since he committed suicide on a public outlet that serves as a major-media website, it’s clearly not just for his own self-fullfilment. This was served as a big, public “Fuck you” and the dude clearly just wanted to leave behind a legacy - Look, now he’s the kid who committed suicide on the internet. Maybe somehow 2+2 no longer equals 4, but to me, that’s no different than killing another person for attention or for a legacy. Prove me wrong.

Let’s look at the facts… this kid was a known troll. This is on BODYBUILDING.com, not TheViewforums.com for God’s sakes. Do you really, honestly think that 80% of the people that participated in the threads believed he was killing himself at first? I really doubt it.

I don’t understand why people are defending his actions. Death is the ultimate intimacy, and should never be a self-controlled, legacy-binding video ON THE INTERNET.

2.) No respect. This is an even bigger issue for me than #1, honestly. I have a friend whose dad tried to commit suicide, failed, and then tried to commit suicide AGAIN. Needless to say, it put her family through a fair share of grief. I’ll say this once, and if need be, I’ll continue to drill it into people’s thick skulls: SUICIDE IS THE MOST SELFISH THING YOU COULD EVER DO.

What about his parents, who spent thousands, if not more, dollars on him? Who put an effort into raising him straight and well? What about his friends, who invested a lot of time in getting close with him, doing things together, getting personal ties? How is this supposed to make them feel - Like it’s their fault? No, by your reasoning, it’s a state of depression. So then they start to second-guess themselves. “What could I have done differently? Should I have seen the warning signs?” NO! IT’S NOT ANYONE ELSE’S RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK OUT FOR ANYONE ELSE’S FUCKING SUICIDAL TENDENCIES, DAMMIT!

Excuse me if I believe in self-accountability. I guarantee this kid was conscious of his suicidal thoughts. He probably knew they were wrong, immoral, and selfish. Yet, he did nothing about it except for act on impulse. This is a blatant disregard for any sort of emotional, monetary, or personal investment anyone has put into him. Never mind anyone else, just do whatcha please. I think we should all instigate this kind of thinking from now on - Let’s not work together, sort things out, or approach things from a logical perspective. Hell no - Let’s just act on impulse! Anything great throughout time has been accomplished by impulse… right?

Give me a break. This act was as selfish as it comes, and he obviously didn’t give a flying fuck about those he was going to hurt around him, which is… Ding ding ding! Narcissism!

3.) This drives me crazy. Go up to a person in Ethiopia. Look at their living conditions. Look at what they have to do every day just to stay alive. Then, tell them why this kid committed suicide. Take a video of it, and let me see their face. I guarantee it’ll be a look of confusion, and they’d ask “Why would he do that?” Tell them that it was because of ‘pressure’ that his parents put on him for school, and that a girl doesn’t like him. They’ll likely say “I can’t afford to go to our one school in the mainland, my parents were killed in front of my eyes when our village was hoarded by insurgents, along with my wife, who was violently raped and disposed of. Yet I continue to do my job because I’M still alive and I STILL HAVE SOMETHING TO LIVE FOR.”

If I even have to further comment on why this dude has no business committing suicide compared to the BILLIONS of people living in sub-standard conditions, then I’m essentially talking to something with the intelligence of a chair.

If people read this post and still don’t feel any different, then I really have no business discussing this any further, because we’re clearly on a different level here. For the religious folks, I could have speculated on the ‘eternal’ reprocussions of suicide, but I don’t even want to go there.[/quote]

You are a chink in the cogs of humanity.
1)It is EVERYBODYS resposibilty to look out for one individuals suicidal tendencies. Our entire existence is dependent on our sense of community, our lives only significance derived from our relationship to society. Without society, without the community that surrounds us, we are nothing. If we cannot lean on others when we cannot support ourselves, then we are all doomed. Narcissism has nothing to do with this. You cannot relate to what he went through so you cannot accuse him of anything.

2)In my experience when you reach the point where suicide becomes real you are convinced that you are a negative part of peoples lives, the supreme let down to those you love, an embarrassment and a source of hurt to those around you. Nobody can ever know what he went through or how he felt during the days leading up to his decision to die, and that includes me, but his note describes alot of the feelings and emotions that i experienced. This is not about those who made “investments” in him, it is about him. Obviously we understand that he has caused those who loved him immeasurable pain, but it is always the thoughts behind an action that count the most.

3)Quality of life is relative. Comparing this guys ordeal to the experiences of an ethiopian, or anybody else for that matter, is impossible. Standards of life are different all across the world and vary from individual to individual. You cannot quantify any persons emotions or experiences so therefore you cannot compare them.

Like I said before suicide is not rational and it is not logical. The thoughts and emotions behind it are irrational. His decision has nothing to do with not “giving a flying fuck about those he was going to hurt around him”.

Drop your vain assumptions, your false conclusions, and open your mind and your heart to the reality of what has happened.