What a sad thread. All the time that kid put into the iron is wasted. I bet the girl he loved feels pretty damn bad too.
deplorable.
suicide becomes a (subjectively) viable option when the fear of death is outweighed by the pain of an individual’s existence.
mental and emotional torment are not quantifiable, therefore no one can possibly pass judgement on this final act - the absolute last resort.
if you’ve looked into the abyss, then you understand.
If you have not, your judgemental comments hold no weight.
may his soul find peace.
[quote]miroku333 wrote:
deplorable.
suicide becomes a (subjectively) viable option when the fear of death is outweighed by the pain of an individual’s existence.
mental and emotional torment are not quantifiable, therefore no one can possibly pass judgement on this final act - the absolute last resort.
if you’ve looked into the abyss, then you understand.
If you have not, your judgemental comments hold no weight.
may his soul find peace.[/quote]
Ya he said it alot better than i ever could.
Good job my man, VERY nicely put.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
LiftSmart wrote:
Anonymity can bring out the worst in people.
Anonymity brings out the truth about people.[/quote]
Good point.
First post here, no troll. I have been active on bb.com for quite a while and was online shortly after this incident occurred. Very sad situation. The origonal thread was offensive. Posters actually egged this guy on while viewing a live cam feed of him overdosing.
A mod was notified and her response was to call him an attention whore. At some point the posters became concerned when they realized this might be legit and somone posted his ph#, tracked down his address and called the police. The police arrived and shut down the cam.
bb.com has been a solid forum, however, the misc section has long been out of control. Please don’t judge the rest of the forum by the actions of the misc.
Not sure what the ramifications for the site will be, but it is currently down. bb.com should clean house after this and dump the misc section.
off topic:
question: who posted the video?
on topic:
I don’t feel bad for the guy at all. I feel bad for everyone who loved him. There is no reason why you should ever commit suicide.
I personally can’t see how you can say “you don’t know what he’s going through, you don’t know his situation” etc (that isn’t a quote from anyone, malonetd :p) but What he did was selfish. I hope his family and friends are okay and are able to get over this situation quickly.
Also the people trashing him are asses (bb). grow up
[quote]BankerII wrote:
A mod was notified and her response was to call him an attention whore. [/quote]
Aren’t all suicides?
The lack of empathy amazes me.
This may be a bit off topic, but perhaps it can give someone a better understanding of at least one man’s, David Foster Wallace, suicide. Despite having a great deal to live for, it seemed almost inevitable.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/23638511/the_lost_years__last_days_of_david_foster_wallace
[quote]RebornTN wrote:
Qaash wrote:
RebornTN wrote:
Why would you want to watch that?
The same reason the World Trade Center site in NYC is now a major tourist attraction.
In homage to those who have died?[/quote]
Far from it…more like ghouls. The only people that pay homage are those that are directly affected. With everyone else it’s morbid curiosity.
Something major must be going down at BB.com, all the fourms are still down. The kid’s name was Abraham Abraham Biggs (forgettingthepastagain) on Myspace
Poor family.
A good friend of mine attempted to commit suicide a few years ago, and it was a rough time for everyone close to him.
Makes me empathize with anyone who has had someone close actually do it, I’m sure that’s infinitely worse. Brings to mind the song “Waste” by Staind.
Some of you have no idea what depression feels like. You have to understand that once your brain is that messed up, your decision-making capabilities won’t be rational. It is a shame his friends/family didn’t detect his anguish earlier.
[quote]Hog Ear wrote:
Something major must be going down at BB.com, all the fourms are still down. The kid’s name was Abraham http://www.myspace.com/forgettingthepastagain[/quote]
That’s so sad. I know so many people that have committed suicide. It’s even more sad because the kid seemed like a pretty popular person with plenty of close friends. Those fuckers at BB.com who taunted him and egged him on should all rot in hell.
RIP
It is sad… I have personally thought of it at one point in my life. An emotionally crushing experience trumps any physical pain by unspeakable magnitudes.
I can only thank my close friends and family… always got my back. I never told anyone except one girl and now all yall, but it is a shame he had no strong shoulder to lean on.
“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.”
Oftentimes it is all that counts.
[quote]football061 wrote:
That’s so sad. I know so many people that have committed suicide. It’s even more sad because the kid seemed like a pretty popular person with plenty of close friends.
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He would be the first person I have heard about who committed suicide that had many close friends.
To those that deplore this young man’s loss, why do you suppose he created his thread in the first place?
[quote]Otep wrote:
football061 wrote:
That’s so sad. I know so many people that have committed suicide. It’s even more sad because the kid seemed like a pretty popular person with plenty of close friends.
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He would be the first person I have heard about who committed suicide that had many close friends.
Wrong. I know of 3 kids that went to the same schools with me who were very popular with many close friends and people who cared about them but still committed suicide.
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To those that deplore this young man’s loss, why do you suppose he created his thread in the first place?[/quote]
True, but it still shouldn’t mean that people should taunt and egg him on. If someone is crying out for help, no matter in what fashion they do it, the people that are there should do their best to help him out.
Don’t taunt the poor guy, he’s obviously at an extreme emotional low point and needs help, not criticism. Those that taunted him are cold, heartless bastards and just show how fucked up people really are.
The forum is back up. Someone says they forwarded it to the media. Let the bashing on Bodybuilding and fitness begin…
miroku333 couldn’t have said it better. If you’ve ever been at that point you will have some idea of what this guy went through and how horrifying his situation must have been. If you’ve never been there then you have no right to judge his actions or who he was.
When suicide becomes an actual option, something you think about as a reality rather than a hypothetical conclusion, you cannot think about the people that love you, or the future, or that things might one day get better. You become fixated on the things that you hate about yourself.
You are ashamed of the effect you have on other people and scared of who you are. The conviction that you are a detriment
to those around you, the people you love, is all consuming.
The fear that your flaws will destroy the love others have for you blocks out logic and reason. And finally the fear of how alone you really are, and how alone you will be when you’ve lost the love of others. The point where suicide becomes a reality, the moment where it becomes rational, is anything but rational. That point is completely irrational.
Obviously I cannot speak for everyone, this is only my experience. At the time I felt like I was the only one who had thought like this and that made it that much harder to deal with, but in retrospect I’ve realised that this is something that almost everyone experiences, in varying degrees of course.
Whether or not you feel you can identify with this guys experience and the result, why is it so hard to show compassion for somebody who’s life was wrapped in such tragedy? How can anybody judge this individual because of his suicide, an action that comprised merely minutes of his 19 years?
An action that was the result of overpowering emotion which he faced completely alone? His “fake” posts and “attention seeking” threads were cries for help and they were’nt simply ignored, but mocked and ridiculed.
His cries may not have been the right way to ask for help but asking for help is one of the hardest things for us to do, as many of you may be able to relate to. Sure you can argue that he was just an attention seeker, and I would agree with you. He was seeking atention, seeking a reason for existing and was failed by every one of us.
Those of you who condemn suicide and vilify suicide victims have no understanding of what it is, or if you do or think you do, your lack of compassion and empathy is horrifyingly inhuman. Of course you have the freedom to voice your opinion but maybe before you blatantly castigate this individual you should take a look at some of the actual issues behing this suicide, which is only the end result of something which I feel is much more tragic.
I have nothing but compassion for him and everybody who this tragedy touches. We should remember that conviction without compassion is one of the most dangerous human conditions.
read through some of those threads on BB… that’s some pretty low shit, even for the internet
+1
I have some people very close to me who have suffered from depression. Depression distorts every thought and experience these people have. Logic CANNOT be applied as the logic processes in depressed people are corrupted. These people are not weak, they are unwell.
The only people I have known to have committed suicide have been highly successful, popular and outwardly happy people. The stereotype of the loner/looser/druggie is simply not accurate and stems from a fundamental ignorance of mental health.