Suicide on Webcam

[phaethon]

[quote]swissrugby67 wrote:

PonceDeLeon wrote:
The original point was that those who mocked him and egged him on were in the WRONG. Do you disagree with this?

phaethon wrote:
Yes I do. They weren’t in the wrong at all. If they thought he was serious then they would be. I have no problem with those joking about it now either.

It is this attitude that has lead to the rapid degeneration of social moral fibre. Just because something isn’t proven to be real doesn’t make it more or less acceptable to laugh at. It’s immature.

You’re pretty much saying; “I drove home drunk the other afternoon through a neighborhood of children. But it’s OK guys, I didn’t kill anyone. It would only be a serious offense if I actually knew I was going to, or actually did hit someone!”

It’s a question of respect. A respect you owe yourself and society to not be a jackass.

[/quote]

It isn’t even close. Drink driving is dangerous. No ifs or buts. It has been proven. Drink driving kills thousands every year.

It is this attitude of nannying and focusing on what possibly might go wrong that has lead to the rapid degeneration of social moral fibre. The idea that it might possibly harm someone and so it is wrong to do it is frankly stupid. That attitude leads to all sorts of inane policies such as banning smacking your children. Or having no winners and losers as it might upset a childs self esteem. Or current custody laws.

I don’t think that telling someone in an offhand manner over the internet to kill themselves will ever make someone do it. I haven’t told anyone to kill themselves (that you know of) and yet one person on this thread has already told me to kill myself.

Others who share similar views to me have been told that they are worthless in this thread. Why aren’t you sticking up for us?

I have never said I was glad the guy died (I’m most certainly not) or even joked about it. Yet I’m being attacked and you don’t defend me Rather you make a completely inane statement, trying to make me look like a bad person.

You’re pretty much saying; “He doesn’t think that making a few jokes about someone committing suicide will actually influence their behaviour and so clearly supports actions which lead to the death of tens of thousands each year”.

See what I did there? Oh except mine actually makes sense. I hope you have never said you don’t believe in faries. After all ‘Every time you say you dont believe in fairies, a fairy dies’. Remember just because something hasn’t been proven to be real…

[Makavali]

Wow. Suicide is no joke, nor is it something to be taken lightly. You’re a jackass.

[OctoberGirl]

and then you have the BB.com refugees who come over here to defend their “misc” forum.

stop blaming the victim who committed suicide. He was a victim of the mental illness that drove him to kill himself.

saying “everyone taunts, everyone says terrible things,” does not make it okay

a mob is a mob, they aren’t in the right because they are all doing it together

those people who taunted, who egged him on, who kept making cruel comments even after they knew he was dead are people of no character. Those people would never stand up on their own, those are the kind that only work in a group. Those are the kind that always bow to peer pressure and to make themselves feel better they pick on the weaker people. What a bunch of losers.

[Nodnerb]

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

and then you have the BB.com refugees who come over here to defend their “misc” forum.

stop blaming the victim who committed suicide. He was a victim of the mental illness that drove him to kill himself.

saying “everyone taunts, everyone says terrible things,” does not make it okay

a mob is a mob, they aren’t in the right because they are all doing it together

those people who taunted, who egged him on, who kept making cruel comments even after they knew he was dead are people of no character. Those people would never stand up on their own, those are the kind that only work in a group. Those are the kind that always bow to peer pressure and to make themselves feel better they pick on the weaker people. What a bunch of losers.

[/quote]

I post at bbing.com. I, for one, don’t defend anything that happened pertaining to this incident. Nor a lot of the immaturity in the misc. I agree that the misc section is out of control and is infested with trolls and losers who don’t even work out.

However, saying the entire forum is is full of losers is wrong. The other sections(which I post in the most often) are formidable and very useful. The misc can be funny but you also have to ignore the trolls(which I wish would be moderated better). What some of the misc members did, and are still doing, is disgusting and I can’t, and never would defend that.

They were probably less than 1% of the people posting on the misc at the time. To sum up the entire site and forums as a whole by the actions of some of its most useless members in the most under moderated section is ignorant. It’s no different than hating a certain race because a person of that race harmed you in some way. Those members don’t represent bbing.com. They represent the misc section, in a very bad light.

And even still, there are members that come to the misc to just talk bs and get a laugh just like this section is here. I just wish the bbing.coms misc was moderated as well as the off topic section here.

[Qaash]

[quote]phaethon wrote:
swissrugby67 wrote:

PonceDeLeon wrote:
The original point was that those who mocked him and egged him on were in the WRONG. Do you disagree with this?

phaethon wrote:
Yes I do. They weren’t in the wrong at all. If they thought he was serious then they would be. I have no problem with those joking about it now either.

It is this attitude that has lead to the rapid degeneration of social moral fibre. Just because something isn’t proven to be real doesn’t make it more or less acceptable to laugh at. It’s immature.

You’re pretty much saying; “I drove home drunk the other afternoon through a neighborhood of children. But it’s OK guys, I didn’t kill anyone. It would only be a serious offense if I actually knew I was going to, or actually did hit someone!”

It’s a question of respect. A respect you owe yourself and society to not be a jackass.

It isn’t even close. Drink driving is dangerous. No ifs or buts. It has been proven. Drink driving kills thousands every year.

It is this attitude of nannying and focusing on what possibly might go wrong that has lead to the rapid degeneration of social moral fibre. The idea that it might possibly harm someone and so it is wrong to do it is frankly stupid. That attitude leads to all sorts of inane policies such as banning smacking your children. Or having no winners and losers as it might upset a childs self esteem. Or current custody laws.

I don’t think that telling someone in an offhand manner over the internet to kill themselves will ever make someone do it. I haven’t told anyone to kill themselves (that you know of) and yet one person on this thread has already told me to kill myself.

Others who share similar views to me have been told that they are worthless in this thread. Why aren’t you sticking up for us?

I have never said I was glad the guy died (I’m most certainly not) or even joked about it. Yet I’m being attacked and you don’t defend me Rather you make a completely inane statement, trying to make me look like a bad person.

You’re pretty much saying; “He doesn’t think that making a few jokes about someone committing suicide will actually influence their behaviour and so clearly supports actions which lead to the death of tens of thousands each year”.

See what I did there? Oh except mine actually makes sense. I hope you have never said you don’t believe in faries. After all ‘Every time you say you dont believe in fairies, a fairy dies’. Remember just because something hasn’t been proven to be real…[/quote]

You are absolutely right, you have explained your position in a respectful manner and that comment to you was unwarranted. This is an emotional event and those with a sense of community are greatly offended by what comes across as a callous disregard for a life. I’m not calling you callous, as I understand the points you’re making but again, this is an emotional issue.

The argument that they didn’t know it was serious is a valid one and we can only respond according to our own beliefs. I personally would have a hard time not believing someone if they actually have a detailed method that is consistent. To me, that would be too risky to be ignored.

For the record, I have someone very dear to me, who has these kinds of thoughts going through their minds. So, for me this has a personal effect. These thoughts are hidden from the rest of the world most of the time and unless you’re gotten through the barrier they put up, you can go your whole life and not realize how on the edge some closest to you really are.

[PonceDeLeon]

[quote]Qaash wrote:
For the record, I have someone very dear to me, who has these kinds of thoughts going through their minds. So, for me this has a personal effect.[/quote]

I have someone like that as well, and had to deal with it a few times this past spring, hence why I keep responding to this thread.

Now, imagine if you are a parent and know your child has such thoughts, and one day that child actually goes through with it and everyone around him/her didn’t take them seriously enough to want to stop it. Only you, the parent, knew it could go so far.

Why couldn’t someone else fear that it would happen? You can’t say, “I didn’t know X would happen, so I didn’t account for it.” That is not the way to go through life, sorry, especially when the consequences of X happening could be very devastating, for you or anyone else.

[swissrugby67]

[quote]phaethon wrote:

It isn’t even close. Drink driving is dangerous. No ifs or buts. It has been proven. Drink driving kills thousands every year.

It is this attitude of nannying and focusing on what possibly might go wrong that has lead to the rapid degeneration of social moral fibre. The idea that it might possibly harm someone and so it is wrong to do it is frankly stupid. That attitude leads to all sorts of inane policies such as banning smacking your children. Or having no winners and losers as it might upset a childs self esteem. Or current custody laws.

[/quote]

I disagree here mainly because I do not feel you can relate these events with the subject at hand; taunting someone who threatens to commit suicide. Actions that could lead to death (And yes, I did say could) are not to be compared with those like “Not smacking your child as it could cause irreversible emotional scarring” (Which I agree is an inane policy).

It’s not because something is proven that only then can you justify preventative action.

I don’t think that telling someone in an offhand manner over the internet to kill themselves will ever make someone do it. I haven’t told anyone to kill themselves (that you know of) and yet one person on this thread has already told me to kill myself.

I agree, I don’t think it would but still I dont believe it is a particularly respectful thing to do. Do you? (I’m not saying you would, but can you justify saying such a thing?)

[quote]
Others who share similar views to me have been told that they are worthless in this thread. Why aren’t you sticking up for us?

I have never said I was glad the guy died (I’m most certainly not) or even joked about it. Yet I’m being attacked and you don’t defend me Rather you make a completely inane statement, trying to make me look like a bad person.

You’re pretty much saying; “He doesn’t think that making a few jokes about someone committing suicide will actually influence their behaviour and so clearly supports actions which lead to the death of tens of thousands each year”.

See what I did there? Oh except mine actually makes sense. I hope you have never said you don’t believe in faries. After all ‘Every time you say you dont believe in fairies, a fairy dies’. Remember just because something hasn’t been proven to be real…[/quote]

I don’t believe that you support actions that lead to the death of tens of thousands each year.

I’m questioning your reluctance to condemn actions that could lead, whether certainly or questionably, to the death of a person.

There’s a difference.

[belligerent]

He killed himself with 16 bars of Xanax? I don’t believe that.

[phaethon]

[quote]swissrugby67 wrote:
phaethon wrote:

It isn’t even close. Drink driving is dangerous. No ifs or buts. It has been proven. Drink driving kills thousands every year.

It is this attitude of nannying and focusing on what possibly might go wrong that has lead to the rapid degeneration of social moral fibre. The idea that it might possibly harm someone and so it is wrong to do it is frankly stupid. That attitude leads to all sorts of inane policies such as banning smacking your children. Or having no winners and losers as it might upset a childs self esteem. Or current custody laws.

I disagree here mainly because I do not feel you can relate these events with the subject at hand; taunting someone who threatens to commit suicide. Actions that could lead to death (And yes, I did say could) are not to be compared with those like “Not smacking your child as it could cause irreversible emotional scarring” (Which I agree is an inane policy).

It’s not because something is proven that only then can you justify preventative action.

[/quote]

A guy at my high school committed suicide because he didn’t win a sporting event. He had injured himself earlier in the year and didn’t think he would ever be able to win again. So he topped himself. Should the person who had won feel guilty? The winners actions DID lead to the death of this guy.

So many things can push people over the edge. Should we take no action now?

Maybe you think the difference is that insulting people over the internet is unnecessary. Well to some people it is a great stress relief and without it they too would go over the edge.

Perhaps CandyJunkie would have killed himself sooner had he not been able to relieve stress on the misc section.

[quote]swissrugby67 wrote:
I agree, I don’t think it would but still I dont believe it is a particularly respectful thing to do. Do you? (I’m not saying you would, but can you justify saying such a thing?)
[/quote]

The misc section is a place people go so they can be disrespectful.

[quote]swissrugby67 wrote:
I’m questioning your reluctance to condemn actions that could lead, whether certainly or questionably, to the death of a person.

There’s a difference.
[/quote]

I don’t think that they could lead to the death of a person, anymore than me being fit and muscular could lead to the death of a person.

[belligerent]

I posted a pathetic emo thread on here two years ago (under another handle) about wanting to commit suicide due to having arthritis. Needless to say I didn’t go through with it. But people who say that suicide is cowardly, etc. are just fucking clueless. Some problems are simply insoluble. And if you believe that most mental health professionals are capable of helping anyone apart from themselves then you profoundly naive. The truth is that there simply is no real help available for most people. I will die by my own hand eventually… in the distant future hopefully, but will do so nevertheless. And I will not be asking for anybody’s opinion on the subject the next time around.

[phaethon]

[quote]Qaash wrote:
You are absolutely right, you have explained your position in a respectful manner and that comment to you was unwarranted. This is an emotional event and those with a sense of community are greatly offended by what comes across as a callous disregard for a life. I’m not calling you callous, as I understand the points you’re making but again, this is an emotional issue.
[/quote]

It is an emotional issue and you are right. I do find it funny in a sad way though that the comments here are as offensive as the comments given to CandyJunkie.

Sometimes you have to be callous. I have an ex who blackmailed me into staying with her by threatening to kill herself if I left. You can’t believe the stress that put me under. Eventually I just left and thought stuff the consequences I can’t let my life be controlled and ruined like that.

Shes still alive and well. Yet people want me to believe that a random person on the internet will listen to my obviously joking advice.

[quote]Qaash wrote:
The argument that they didn’t know it was serious is a valid one and we can only respond according to our own beliefs. I personally would have a hard time not believing someone if they actually have a detailed method that is consistent. To me, that would be too risky to be ignored.
[/quote]

All I can say is you haven’t spent enough time on the internet then. I have seen 5 fake suicides since CandyJunkie killed himself.

[quote]Qaash wrote:
For the record, I have someone very dear to me, who has these kinds of thoughts going through their minds. So, for me this has a personal effect. These thoughts are hidden from the rest of the world most of the time and unless you’re gotten through the barrier they put up, you can go your whole life and not realize how on the edge some closest to you really are. [/quote]

I’m sorry to hear it. Could I ask you something though? Are they more likely to be upset because a couple of friends couldn’t hang out because they were busy or because someone insulted them on the internet? In my experience it is the former which would upset them. Yet I am sure everyone here has blown people off before. I’m sure they think nothing of it.

[phaethon]

[quote]belligerent wrote:
I posted a pathetic emo thread on here two years ago (under another handle) about wanting to commit suicide due to having arthritis. Needless to say I didn’t go through with it. But people who say that suicide is cowardly, etc. are just fucking clueless. Some problems are simply insoluble. And if you believe that most mental health professionals are capable of helping anyone apart from themselves then you profoundly naive. The truth is that there simply is no real help available for most people. I will die by my own hand eventually… in the distant future hopefully, but will do so nevertheless. And I will not be asking for anybody’s opinion on the subject the next time around.[/quote]

See now thats one situation where procrastination and being lazy is actually a benefit Will you be upset if I joke about you after you are dead?

Arthritis sucks bro. I have a decent case of it but I don’t think I could have handled having it when young. If you can then you are stronger than me. If you are old like me then quit your whining.

I think those saying it is cowardly are saying so because a lot of people who commit suicide ruin the lives of their families and those close to them.

[phaethon]

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
saying “everyone taunts, everyone says terrible things,” does not make it okay
[/quote]

Of course it does. When you go to a place where everyone taunts and everyone says ‘terrible’ things and you hang out there then it does make it ok.

The problem with bullies is that they follow you and harass you. Or they are somewhere you can’t avoid.

Imagine that there is a room in your city and if you enter this room then you get screamed at. Thats all there is in the room. Now I understand if you are just walking around the city and you walk into the room totally unaware of what is going on and you get screamed at. I can understand how in that case it isn’t ok. However, CandyJunkie knew that if you went into the room you got screamed at. And so he keeps going into the room. Yet you want to blame the room for screaming at him.

Then to make it more accurate the room is only screaming in a joking manner because the room understandably thinks that if you keep going there then you are fine with being screamed at.

[OctoberGirl]

[quote]phaethon wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
saying “everyone taunts, everyone says terrible things,” does not make it okay

Of course it does. When you go to a place where everyone taunts and everyone says ‘terrible’ things and you hang out there then it does make it ok.

The problem with bullies is that they follow you and harass you. Or they are somewhere you can’t avoid.

Imagine that there is a room in your city and if you enter this room then you get screamed at. Thats all there is in the room. Now I understand if you are just walking around the city and you walk into the room totally unaware of what is going on and you get screamed at. I can understand how in that case it isn’t ok. However, CandyJunkie knew that if you went into the room you got screamed at. And so he keeps going into the room. Yet you want to blame the room for screaming at him.

Then to make it more accurate the room is only screaming in a joking manner because the room understandably thinks that if you keep going there then you are fine with being screamed at.[/quote]

you ignorant sheep

no… it does not make it okay

it makes it a mob mentality

How old are you to think this reasoning is a quality reasoning?

how disappointing that folks today think that a mob determines what is okay. Is there no independent thought?

you probably think you have reasoning skills… but if you think following a mob makes things “right” then you lose.

you might want to read a book called, “Tyranny of the Majority.” You might also want to think back on history and atrocities that were “okay” because the populace went along with it. Do you think witch hunts were okay? Do you really think there were witches?

I hope you learn to think for yourself and not be part of the borg.

[Tiribulus]

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
phaethon wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
saying “everyone taunts, everyone says terrible things,” does not make it okay

Of course it does. When you go to a place where everyone taunts and everyone says ‘terrible’ things and you hang out there then it does make it ok.

The problem with bullies is that they follow you and harass you. Or they are somewhere you can’t avoid.

Imagine that there is a room in your city and if you enter this room then you get screamed at. Thats all there is in the room. Now I understand if you are just walking around the city and you walk into the room totally unaware of what is going on and you get screamed at. I can understand how in that case it isn’t ok. However, CandyJunkie knew that if you went into the room you got screamed at. And so he keeps going into the room. Yet you want to blame the room for screaming at him.

Then to make it more accurate the room is only screaming in a joking manner because the room understandably thinks that if you keep going there then you are fine with being screamed at.

you ignorant sheep

no… it does not make it okay

it makes it a mob mentality

How old are you to think this reasoning is a quality reasoning?

how disappointing that folks today think that a mob determines what is okay. Is there no independent thought?

you probably think you have reasoning skills… but if you think following a mob makes things “right” then you lose.

you might want to read a book called, “Tyranny of the Majority.” You might also want to think back on history and atrocities that were “okay” because the populace went along with it. Do you think witch hunts were okay? Do you really think there were witches?

I hope you learn to think for yourself and not be part of the borg.

[/quote]

I think this guy is talking about when you voluntarily return yourself to a position of being verbally abused. In other words, the mob in question does not exist for you unless you decide it does. This is not the general public, but a specific group that must be actively sought out.

I just saw this kid’s parents on TV. Heartbreaking, really.

[OctoberGirl]

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
phaethon wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
saying “everyone taunts, everyone says terrible things,” does not make it okay

Of course it does. When you go to a place where everyone taunts and everyone says ‘terrible’ things and you hang out there then it does make it ok.

The problem with bullies is that they follow you and harass you. Or they are somewhere you can’t avoid.

Imagine that there is a room in your city and if you enter this room then you get screamed at. Thats all there is in the room. Now I understand if you are just walking around the city and you walk into the room totally unaware of what is going on and you get screamed at. I can understand how in that case it isn’t ok. However, CandyJunkie knew that if you went into the room you got screamed at. And so he keeps going into the room. Yet you want to blame the room for screaming at him.

Then to make it more accurate the room is only screaming in a joking manner because the room understandably thinks that if you keep going there then you are fine with being screamed at.

you ignorant sheep

no… it does not make it okay

it makes it a mob mentality

How old are you to think this reasoning is a quality reasoning?

how disappointing that folks today think that a mob determines what is okay. Is there no independent thought?

you probably think you have reasoning skills… but if you think following a mob makes things “right” then you lose.

you might want to read a book called, “Tyranny of the Majority.” You might also want to think back on history and atrocities that were “okay” because the populace went along with it. Do you think witch hunts were okay? Do you really think there were witches?

I hope you learn to think for yourself and not be part of the borg.

I think this guy is talking about when you voluntarily return yourself to a position of being verbally abused. In other words, the mob in question does not exist for you unless you decide it does. This is not the general public, but a specific group that must be actively sought out.

I just saw this kid’s parents on TV. Heartbreaking, really.[/quote]

Trib…

why are you looking to excuse his repetitive defense of taunting?

they were cruel to a person with a mental defect. They continued the cruelty even after learning of that person’s suicide. This person had no reasoning ability. Get that out of your equation.

why would you defend that?

why not say, “what happened was wrong, I have learned what not to do.”

you can excuse the behavior… I do not

and I do not agree with your definition of mob mentality. In essence you are saying if the majority is behaving in a what would be considered a reprehensible manner, then said reprehensible manner may now be deemed acceptable.

no… it does not.

why are folks looking to excuse bad behavior? aaahhhh such a lack of character these days

[waylanderxx]

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
phaethon wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
saying “everyone taunts, everyone says terrible things,” does not make it okay

Of course it does. When you go to a place where everyone taunts and everyone says ‘terrible’ things and you hang out there then it does make it ok.

The problem with bullies is that they follow you and harass you. Or they are somewhere you can’t avoid.

Imagine that there is a room in your city and if you enter this room then you get screamed at. Thats all there is in the room. Now I understand if you are just walking around the city and you walk into the room totally unaware of what is going on and you get screamed at. I can understand how in that case it isn’t ok. However, CandyJunkie knew that if you went into the room you got screamed at. And so he keeps going into the room. Yet you want to blame the room for screaming at him.

Then to make it more accurate the room is only screaming in a joking manner because the room understandably thinks that if you keep going there then you are fine with being screamed at.

you ignorant sheep

no… it does not make it okay

it makes it a mob mentality

How old are you to think this reasoning is a quality reasoning?

how disappointing that folks today think that a mob determines what is okay. Is there no independent thought?

you probably think you have reasoning skills… but if you think following a mob makes things “right” then you lose.

you might want to read a book called, “Tyranny of the Majority.” You might also want to think back on history and atrocities that were “okay” because the populace went along with it. Do you think witch hunts were okay? Do you really think there were witches?

I hope you learn to think for yourself and not be part of the borg.

I think this guy is talking about when you voluntarily return yourself to a position of being verbally abused. In other words, the mob in question does not exist for you unless you decide it does. This is not the general public, but a specific group that must be actively sought out.

I just saw this kid’s parents on TV. Heartbreaking, really.

Trib…

why are you looking to excuse his repetitive defense of taunting?

they were cruel to a person with a mental defect. They continued the cruelty even after learning of that person’s suicide. This person had no reasoning ability. Get that out of your equation.

why would you defend that?

why not say, “what happened was wrong, I have learned what not to do.”

you can excuse the behavior… I do not

and I do not agree with your definition of mob mentality. In essence you are saying if the majority is behaving in a what would be considered a reprehensible manner, then said reprehensible manner may now be deemed acceptable.

no… it does not.

why are folks looking to excuse bad behavior? aaahhhh such a lack of character these days

[/quote]

If I go to a gay bar I’m going to be hit on by men. If I don’t want guys to hit on me I should stay out of the gay bar, it’s that simple.

I don’t think it was right for the people on the forum to act the way they did, but since the kid had been a long time member of the misc forums he knew what kind of reception he was going to receive. In short, I understand the points tirib and phaethon are making.

[Tiribulus]

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
<<<
Trib…

why are you looking to excuse his repetitive defense of taunting?

they were cruel to a person with a mental defect. They continued the cruelty even after learning of that person’s suicide. This person had no reasoning ability. Get that out of your equation.

why would you defend that?

why not say, “what happened was wrong, I have learned what not to do.”

you can excuse the behavior… I do not

and I do not agree with your definition of mob mentality. In essence you are saying if the majority is behaving in a what would be considered a reprehensible manner, then said reprehensible manner may now be deemed acceptable.

no… it does not.

why are folks looking to excuse bad behavior? aaahhhh such a lack of character these days
[/quote]

I was only defending this one post. I have no idea what he has said before. I only came in this thread because I saw the kids parents on the news.

I also did not say that sufficient numbers make reprehensible behavior acceptable. What I did say is that if you know reprehensible behavior is being engaged in someplace the simple solution is to not go to that place. Especially where you have a clear choice like online. It’s not like it was at his school or something where he had to go there. Maybe this kid did have a mental defect that affected his judgment in that regard.

In any case I do not condone cruel sadistic behavior in any way and would deal with it in a swift and decisive manner if I found my kids doing such a thing.

You’ve known me long enough. I’m surprised you would think that I would react permissively to someone being taunted into killing themselves. Nothing could be further from the truth.

[Qaash]

[quote]phaethon wrote:
Qaash wrote:
You are absolutely right, you have explained your position in a respectful manner and that comment to you was unwarranted. This is an emotional event and those with a sense of community are greatly offended by what comes across as a callous disregard for a life. I’m not calling you callous, as I understand the points you’re making but again, this is an emotional issue.

It is an emotional issue and you are right. I do find it funny in a sad way though that the comments here are as offensive as the comments given to CandyJunkie.

Sometimes you have to be callous. I have an ex who blackmailed me into staying with her by threatening to kill herself if I left. You can’t believe the stress that put me under. Eventually I just left and thought stuff the consequences I can’t let my life be controlled and ruined like that.

Shes still alive and well. Yet people want me to believe that a random person on the internet will listen to my obviously joking advice.

Qaash wrote:
The argument that they didn’t know it was serious is a valid one and we can only respond according to our own beliefs. I personally would have a hard time not believing someone if they actually have a detailed method that is consistent. To me, that would be too risky to be ignored.

All I can say is you haven’t spent enough time on the internet then. I have seen 5 fake suicides since CandyJunkie killed himself.

Qaash wrote:
For the record, I have someone very dear to me, who has these kinds of thoughts going through their minds. So, for me this has a personal effect. These thoughts are hidden from the rest of the world most of the time and unless you’re gotten through the barrier they put up, you can go your whole life and not realize how on the edge some closest to you really are.

I’m sorry to hear it. Could I ask you something though? Are they more likely to be upset because a couple of friends couldn’t hang out because they were busy or because someone insulted them on the internet? In my experience it is the former which would upset them. Yet I am sure everyone here has blown people off before. I’m sure they think nothing of it.[/quote]

I still prefer to err on the side of caution and the fact that you’ve seen 5 fake suicides since just proves the callousness that everyone is so upset about. Also, it is not a question of what will upset them more…it’s a question of what could trigger a negative reaction.

[OctoberGirl]

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
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Trib…

why are you looking to excuse his repetitive defense of taunting?

they were cruel to a person with a mental defect. They continued the cruelty even after learning of that person’s suicide. This person had no reasoning ability. Get that out of your equation.

why would you defend that?

why not say, “what happened was wrong, I have learned what not to do.”

you can excuse the behavior… I do not

and I do not agree with your definition of mob mentality. In essence you are saying if the majority is behaving in a what would be considered a reprehensible manner, then said reprehensible manner may now be deemed acceptable.

no… it does not.

why are folks looking to excuse bad behavior? aaahhhh such a lack of character these days

I was only defending this one post. I have no idea what he has said before. I only came in this thread because I saw the kids parents on the news.

I also did not say that sufficient numbers make reprehensible behavior acceptable. What I did say is that if you know reprehensible behavior is being engaged in someplace the simple solution is to not go to that place. Especially where you have a clear choice like online. It’s not like it was at his school or something where he had to go there. Maybe this kid did have a mental defect that affected his judgment in that regard.

In any case I do not condone cruel sadistic behavior in any way and would deal with it in a swift and decisive manner if I found my kids doing such a thing.

You’ve known me long enough. I’m surprised you would think that I would react permissively to someone being taunted into killing themselves. Nothing could be further from the truth.
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My apologies Trib,

I thought it was out of character for you and I should have known better.

I misunderstood and thought you were defending the actions of the mob.

in regards to Abraham posting what he did in the misc forum… well… he had a mental illness. Obviously he was incapable of making good decisions. Also it has been shown that many times victims will cater to bullies hoping that if they can make friends it will lessen the cruelty.

Sorry for misunderstnding Trib.

I just am fed up with folks that want to blame a mentally ill, bullied young man.