Really this seems like the most appropriate response to the problem. If short on staff you could always promote external users with high post counts and integrity as Mods that can snip and close posts.
Beginner section really should be the dumping ground if there is going to be one. Where posts should move TOO.
Really there is not a plethora of new threads in the beginner section each day. The only things that seems like excess is all the daily logs that show up under Beginner when I am looking for questions I could possibly answer.
Otherwise if it is in Beginners, and you think it is a stupid question, ignore it or say so.
Give the OP the ability to flag a thread closed. I hate responding to a thread that the OP already got their answer and are no longer checking and/or care.
[quote]Fulmen wrote:
<<< I want a website wholly dedicated to bodybuilding, and I thought this was the site. I was wrong; albeit it wasn’t WHOLLY bodybuilding, but the forums were pretty much filled with bodybuilding shit. Now it’s just too watered down.
I don’t give a damn about the masses or those just looking to get healthy, yadda yadda. I want my bodybuilding.
BTW, you’re still cool in my book, Tiri; I don’t think there’s anything wrong with making a helpful suggestion. You’re one of the few that got my respect.
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As I beat my head on my keyboard. I WANT an instant comprehensive customer base for my computer repair business so we don’t lose our house and end up God knows where in the economic wasteland of the once mighty motor city, but reality is denying me that and dammit, I’m having to work my ass off to get it.
What I’m proposing in whatever form it would end up would give you back a place pretty much filled with bodybuilding shit. That’s the whole damn point.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
<<< And just out of curiousity, what was the original title of this thread?[/quote]
Sorry, I just saw this.
The original title was “A Serious Suggestion” and it was changed to what it is now without my knowledge which isn’t a complaint. It’s a better name anyway.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
“Advanced” can be in the eye of the beholder in some cases and moderation could differ from mod to mod. This leads me to tentatively lean toward more of a “let us handle that part to a large extent” view. [/quote]
True. But as I envision it, criteria for exclusion are specific and clear: if it violates a rule in the sticky or is answered in the sticky, it’s denied. Everything else is fair game to be posted and then handled by the responses of the members.
So in other words, the poor mod is not sitting there thinking, “Now is this advanced enough of a question or not?” That would be inefficient, inconsistent, and just a pain in the rear.
On the forum where I’ve seen this work, there is a LOT of information to read in the FAQs and articles. It’s kind of an initiation; by the time you post, you know a lot of basic stuff and have even done some homework.
I just wanted to say if these changes are made, I’d have no problem posting in the beginners section for a couple years if that is what’s deemed necessary. But you’ll find me dead before posting in a general fitness forum…I’m into bodybuilding.
Some of you guts REALLY don’t get it. He wants to save the Bodybuilding forum for bodybuilding. Right now most posters have no other place to go so they dump their stupid shit into the wrong forum.
These people are already here, they are not going to go away.
[quote]andersons wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
“Advanced” can be in the eye of the beholder in some cases and moderation could differ from mod to mod. This leads me to tentatively lean toward more of a “let us handle that part to a large extent” view.
True. But as I envision it, criteria for exclusion are specific and clear: if it violates a rule in the sticky or is answered in the sticky, it’s denied. Everything else is fair game to be posted and then handled by the responses of the members.
So in other words, the poor mod is not sitting there thinking, “Now is this advanced enough of a question or not?” That would be inefficient, inconsistent, and just a pain in the rear.
On the forum where I’ve seen this work, there is a LOT of information to read in the FAQs and articles. It’s kind of an initiation; by the time you post, you know a lot of basic stuff and have even done some homework.[/quote]
That would be fine for blatant violations. Somebody saying they’re not interested in getting too big for instance could just be posted in the other forum to begin with without ever even making into the bodybuilding. The description could stipulate that. However the type of thing I’m envisioning wouldn’t require a long faq.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I just wanted to say if these changes are made, I’d have no problem posting in the beginners section for a couple years if that is what’s deemed necessary. But you’ll find me dead before posting in a general fitness forum…I’m into bodybuilding.[/quote]
As far as I’m concerned, which certainly isn’t the last word, being into actual bodybuilding is the criteria.
MAYBE doing away with the word “bodybuilding” in the name.
MAYBE having beginner, intermediate and advanced.
MAYBE having small, medium and large
MAYBE having beginners, I don’t wanna be huge and I do wanna be huge.
MAYBE strength sports, sports training/functional, and physique sports.
MAYBE bodybuilding with beginner, intermediate and advanced as sub groups.
MAYBE an entirely separate space with different colors like Professor X said with MAYBE some of the above or other stuff incorporated.
MAYBE a dozen other combinations or possibilities.
MAYBE nothing at all because I’m whistling in the wind and they’re happy the way things are.
Some people have latched on to the “general fitness forum” thing as if that in itself were the point and are jumping up and down screaming how abhorrent that idea is.
The driving point is just some way for like minded trainees to gather into more clearly defined groups.
Tirib- I appreciate all your efforts but I think the first step is to try and get inappropriate threads moved to the correct forum. Next, ignore stupid threads in correct forum. If the Beginners forum is underutilized as some have suggested, then it is a waiting recipient for the ‘not wanna be huge’ crowd. Also, a unified action by those who wish to protect the bodybuilding forum to protect it; be it through silence, flaming and redirecting.
If that does not help in a couple of months perhaps it will be time to address some of the changes that have been suggested on this thread.
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Tirib- I appreciate all your efforts but I think the first step is to try and get inappropriate threads moved to the correct forum. Next, ignore stupid threads in correct forum. If the Beginners forum is underutilized as some have suggested, then it is a waiting recipient for the ‘not wanna be huge’ crowd. Also, a unified action by those who wish to protect the bodybuilding forum to protect it; be it through silence, flaming and redirecting.
If that does not help in a couple of months perhaps it will be time to address some of the changes that have been suggested on this thread.
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Consider this, however. The Beginners section is underutilized because most of the people who stand out as far as their posts avoid the area. If there is nothing to read that people care about or that is of interest, the view counts will be minimal and eventually, people will begin posting in other sections just to be seen.
The same would happen with a General Fitness forum. While it may work initially, eventually people will realize the kinds of people posting there and will lose interest in the area altogether.
The only solution I really see that is viable is having a completely different site for them to go to. Otherwise, it is only a matter of time.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
<<< The only solution I really see that is viable is having a completely different site for them to go to. Otherwise, it is only a matter of time.[/quote]
Maybe you’re right. I could also be wrong about this, but another new site is a project. It’s not building the pyramids, but I’m inclined to think they wouldn’t want to go that route. All of this is of course guess work on my part.
One thing worth pointing out is that not one single person I can recall in this thread has shrugged their shoulders and said “what are you talking about? everything,s fine”.
The only solution I really see that is viable is having a completely different site for them to go to. Otherwise, it is only a matter of time.[/quote]
I don’t think there is much difference between a completely different site or a completely different forum. If the people reading and responding to the posts will be the same people than it won’t matter. And if another site was created, it would just start the cycle over again. This place would be considered “hardcore” for a while and over time it would get watered down.
Obviously I’m speculating, as I have no idea how serious this place was before my time. I’m relatively new here and I just wish I was around for the “glory days”, as they have been called.
So, if this seems to be the case, does that mean excessive flaming to self regulate the forums is the right way to go?
The only solution I really see that is viable is having a completely different site for them to go to. Otherwise, it is only a matter of time.
I don’t think there is much difference between a completely different site or a completely different forum. If the people reading and responding to the posts will be the same people than it won’t matter. And if another site was created, it would just start the cycle over again. This place would be considered “hardcore” for a while and over time it would get watered down.
Obviously I’m speculating, as I have no idea how serious this place was before my time. I’m relatively new here and I just wish I was around for the “glory days”, as they have been called.
So, if this seems to be the case, does that mean excessive flaming to self regulate the forums is the right way to go?[/quote]
That is a great question.
I hope they don’t go separate web site. I would like to see the hardcore bbers get a separate forum that is heavily moderated. I don’t like when I read disparaging comments about men that are heavily muscle. I appreciate the time and effort that goes into the body. Zane is my ultimate beautiful man.
Also, we would really be missing so much wisdom and examples if they were cut off from the mainstream website.
I wish AA would come back. I am glad Prof X is still here. I hope Fulmen will stay. I learn from you all.
I sense your frustration. Hopefully something will change or whatever, and you will stay.
Tell me what you want and need and I will champion it for you.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I’m convinced more than ever that we could use a sports/fitness/whatever forum.[/quote]
At this point, so am I. I need to be able to simply turn these jackasses off so I can’t see them. They can sit around and discuss rock climbing and “3min pyramids” to their hearts’ content. People who have been training for 5 years and no one can tell need a place to go.
Let’s call it “General Fitness” and toss everything non-bodybuilding related into it aside from powerlifting.
It would give the powerlifters here a more focused forum as well.
Maybe calling it ‘Lean Physique’ or ‘Beach Body’ or whatnot will actually work because it will call out specifically what these folks want and thereby attract them, whereas General Fitness is too ambiguous and there may be too much carryover into Bodybuilding.
Also it will be easier to report the stupid posts so that they’re sent to the appropriate forums.
It’s not a let’s-just-blow-up-their-planet solution but if we hold off for a few months and have the mods throw the threads over it might come around. They just need a few threads that stick(which we ALREADY have in Bodybuilding).