What Professor X said is the original idea. Some more possibilities. What about fitness and sports? Or performance and fitness? Or sports and performance? Or sports performance? I’m afraid, as wild as this may sound, that lean physique or beach body will still be confused with bodybuilding.
In any case, a finer delineation of what people are into is clearly in everybody’s best interest in my persistent opinion.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
What Professor X said is the original idea. Some more possibilities. What about fitness and sports? Or performance and fitness? Or sports and performance? Or sports performance? I’m afraid, as wild as this may sound, that lean physique or beach body will still be confused with bodybuilding.
In any case, a finer delineation of what people are into is clearly in everybody’s best interest in my persistent opinion.[/quote]
It could be interesting to explore other solutions :
http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0000fT
I really like the “disemvoweller” idea : stupid posts don’t get censured, instead all vowels are removed…
This could be done by forum members just like the “report post” button.
After N “disemvowellate requests”, the post is automatically disemvowelled and the poster is notified.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
meangenes wrote:
Let’s name it “Ah… Mediocre”
Other suggestions:
“I actually trained today”
“For those who hate to sweat”
“Pre-Spring Break forum” (also known as “New Year’s resolution forum” and “I’ll see y’all next year forum”)
“Ew, icky muscles Forum”
and my personal favorite, “I’ve got 15” arms, how do I lose some of this extra mass so that I stop scaring all of the girls away forum"[/quote]
comedic genius right there.
How about Emo’s unite?
[quote]k.elkouhen wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
What Professor X said is the original idea. Some more possibilities. What about fitness and sports? Or performance and fitness? Or sports and performance? Or sports performance? I’m afraid, as wild as this may sound, that lean physique or beach body will still be confused with bodybuilding.
In any case, a finer delineation of what people are into is clearly in everybody’s best interest in my persistent opinion.
It could be interesting to explore other solutions :
http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0000fT
I really like the “disemvoweller” idea : stupid posts don’t get censured, instead all vowels are removed…
This could be done by forum members just like the “report post” button.
After N “disemvowellate requests”, the post is automatically disemvowelled and the poster is notified.[/quote]
I really think any form of moderation that puts the discretion in the hands of users will spiral totally outta control in about a day.
It could also be done by moderators without any user input.
[quote]k.elkouhen wrote:
k.elkouhen wrote:
I really like the “disemvoweller” idea : stupid posts don’t get censured, instead all vowels are removed…
This could be done by forum members just like the “report post” button.
After N “disemvowellate requests”, the post is automatically disemvowelled and the poster is notified.
Tiribulus wrote:
I really think any form of moderation that puts the discretion in the hands of users will spiral totally outta control in about a day.
It could also be done by moderators without any user input.
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Then it would be the subjective call of the moderator and would differ from mod to mod, not to mention the controversy that would erupt when somebody claimed that their post shouldn’t have been altered and even worse when some agree with them. All input is appreciated, but in my view there needs to be separate areas for people with vastly differing goals.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I’m convinced more than ever that we could use a sports/fitness/whatever forum.
At this point, so am I. I need to be able to simply turn these jackasses off so I can’t see them. They can sit around and discuss rock climbing and “3min pyramids” to their hearts’ content. People who have been training for 5 years and no one can tell need a place to go.
Let’s call it “General Fitness” and toss everything non-bodybuilding related into it aside from powerlifting.
It would give the powerlifters here a more focused forum as well.[/quote]
I wanted to throw in that I’m not now averse to the original idea you describe here. I’m just tossing around different possibilities. I hope this goes somewhere only because I do really believe it would make this a better place for everybody.
How about we go back to having a “building a better body” forum and then make a new bodybuilding called “Hardcore” or something along those lines and then when someone tries to post a thread about not wanting to get too big in the hardcore forum, a mod can move the thread to the “building a better body” forum?
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
k.elkouhen wrote:
k.elkouhen wrote:
I really like the “disemvoweller” idea : stupid posts don’t get censured, instead all vowels are removed…
This could be done by forum members just like the “report post” button.
After N “disemvowellate requests”, the post is automatically disemvowelled and the poster is notified.
Tiribulus wrote:
I really think any form of moderation that puts the discretion in the hands of users will spiral totally outta control in about a day.
It could also be done by moderators without any user input.
Then it would be the subjective call of the moderator and would differ from mod to mod, not to mention the controversy that would erupt when somebody claimed that their post shouldn’t have been altered and even worse when some agree with them.
[/quote]
I’m sure the Moderators have guidelines that they follow.
And even if they don’t – which would surprise me – controversy can be a good thing.
[quote]
All input is appreciated, but in my view there needs to be separate areas for people with vastly differing goals.[/quote]
What you are prescribing (“General Fitness” or “Look Good Nekkid” or whatever it would be called) is pretty what happened when the “Physique & Performance Photos” forum and the “Rate My Physique” forum were separated.
So one of the questions that needs to be answered is :
Has the creation of the RMP forum had a positive effect on the quality of the PPP forum ? In terms of post views, quality of posts etc.
The guidelines they have now are far different and simpler than what would be needed if they were to be called upon to edit visible posts in a semi disciplinary fashion. Now they have a few guidelines that are pretty clear cut. There may be some promise in having them move clearly misplaced posts intact out of the bodybuilding forum. The trouble is they have nowhere to move them to now.
As for the the other forums I doubt if I have 3 posts in either of those combined hence I cannot comment intelligently on what they are like. I do know that the number of beanpoles posting photos in the bodybuilding forum has decreased dramatically though there has been more again lately.
I’m beginning the practice with this post of linking to some threads that would belong in a new forum.
#1 http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=2080884&pageNo=0#2083343
I think non strength sports athletes could use a forum. I think there could be a “build a better body forum” as stronghold said. But the only reason I read the bodybuilding forums is too watch the witchhunts that go on there. So it’s not a huge deal for me.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I mean this with only the most positive of intentions and good will toward T-Nation. Also, this has to have been brought up somewhere either here or in a meeting at some time.
What does everybody think of a “General Fitness” forum?
This would give the “other guys” somewhere to congregate away from the Bodybuilding forum where it would be understood up front that they don’t wanna be huge. They would be safe from ridicule and we could have the Bodybuilding forum free from the less ambitious amongst us.
Actually it’s clear that the people for whom physique pursuits form a significant part of their daily decision making are now the “other guys”, but the Bodybuilding forum is already there.
I’m trying to propose a way that we can all coexist in a more harmonious fashion. I fear that if that does not happen the T-Nation forums will be exclusively populated by guys with less than 50 posts who want nothing more than tips on getting in better shape.
These are not sub human beings who should be shot at dawn, but they are diluting the Bodybuilding forum to the point of making the name laughable and are driving anybody with even above average goals elsewhere.
This obviously is not my site and you can tell me to ph**K off if you want to, but I thought it was worth suggesting. The “just look good nekkid” guys are not going away and, nor should they necessarily, but doesn’t it make some sense to find somewhere more practical and comfortable to house them?[/quote]
I started this same thread on 2/4/08. It read:
I find that many of the questions I have don’t quite fit into any of the categories on the forums right now. The one I have right now has to do with biomechanics/ankle stability/overpronation (which I’ll post in a seperate thread, probably in the strength sports forum).
But the more general thought I’m having now is that it doesn’t really fit into strength sports, as overpronation isn’t really a matter of “strength”. Nor is it moreso linked to bodybuilding, or supplements and nutrition. The other forums are obviously not where it belongs, as well.
I can think of other issues that other lifters/athletes may have that would face the same problem; for example, asking for advice on improving sprints, or increasing a vertical jump, or flexibility/mobility, assessments, etc, etc.
So what do you guys think about adding a category for things like biomechanics, performance unrelated to stregth/hypertrophy, and stuff like that?
It went to the T-Nation Tech Support forum, got one reply and was ignored.
What about three additional forums:
General Sports
Training for sports that are not realistically
strength sports nor combat sports.
General Weight-Training
This would be for threads pertaining to the use
of barbells, dumbells, cable stacks, and weight machines
for physical improvement or physical maintenance
that is not realistically bodybuilding, nor for sports.
General Fitness
This would be for threads pertaining to sprinting,
running, stretching, mobility, flexibility, etc.
if the opening post does not clearly link the activity
in question to sport(s), nor to weight-training.
Breaking it down further than that might be over-doing it.
Why threads that only fit into these three categories belong on this site at all: Biotest sells at least a few supplements that are marketable to (and could reasonably be useful for) people who are not realistically bodybuilders nor athletes. Flameout, Biotest Superfood, ZMA, and Z-12 at the very least.