I hear Casey Butt has interesting theories about genetic limits…
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I hear Casey Butt has interesting theories about genetic limits…[/quote]
Damnit where are some assassins for hire when you need them?
[quote]Scott M wrote:
Switching from chicken to fattier meats(steak/fish) would be of benefit in terms of getting more nutrients in at the same volume of food.
You are one of the few cases of someone who’s already eating a good deal of healthy bodybuilding food who’d benefit immensely from the “peri workout” type drinks that have become increasingly popular lately. A hypothetical 100-150 grams of carbs and 50-75 grams of easily digested proteins split between pre/during/post workout would be a way to get in some quality nutrition without really messing with your overall appetite.
Your carb sources are fine.
Adding something like 1 tbsp of olive oil to a meal instantly bumps the calories up 100+ and doesn’t take any more effort to eat it.[/quote]
x2 after posting I looked back over the diet and was curious where his peri nutrition was. Proper peri nutrition not only helped my gains but changed my workout intensity for the better! I would experiment with having better peri nutrition while finding a program on here that you like and think you can follow. My best gains strength wise was when I was following programs posted here on T-Nation and pushing myself as hard as I can to make as much progress on that program as possible.
Dear 23278,
Please stick around and post and shit.
Sincerely,
The dumbass that thought you were doing massive amounts of cardio.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Dear 23278,
Please stick around and post and shit.
[/quote]
seriously man, as X said, you are bigger then a lot of the posters here, we can all learn something from you.
Good work, OP. That’s all I can say as everything else has been said already.
Did you happen to live in VA for a bit? I feel like I have seen you before at school or something…
[quote]23278 wrote:
So basically if I need to eat more but I’m already force-feeding (no bullshit) and probably can’t fit anymore per meal without puking, I may be SOL?
Sorry, not meaning to sound all doom and gloom here. Are there really any “tricks” to eating more?[/quote]
Smoke weed…eat food. I know it’s not the most responsible answer but if you really don’t feel like you could eat any more, then the munchies will do you good. As for the rest…you are bigger and look better than me, so I have nothing else of importance to add.
[quote]SeanParent wrote:
[quote]23278 wrote:
So basically if I need to eat more but I’m already force-feeding (no bullshit) and probably can’t fit anymore per meal without puking, I may be SOL?
Sorry, not meaning to sound all doom and gloom here. Are there really any “tricks” to eating more?[/quote]
Smoke weed…eat food. I know it’s not the most responsible answer but if you really don’t feel like you could eat any more, then the munchies will do you good. As for the rest…you are bigger and look better than me, so I have nothing else of importance to add.[/quote]
Nice
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I hear Casey Butt has interesting theories about genetic limits…[/quote]
I know the criticism of his ‘calculators’ and others before it are that they act as artificial barriers to progress but in reality how many less developed trainers have reached those levels to even worry about it yet.
I’ve nothing against the notion of genetic limits, nor of the fact that with determination such generalised calculated maximums can be somewhat exceeded.
The danger they represent is really a matter of attitude. if you calculate that you can only have a 17 inch arm is that a limit or a decent goal to reach, then get ready for another goal.
CT recently addressed the issue of genetic limits and force feeding growth in this thread. It is a bit down the page.
Good job OP, you are no way near in your genetic limits I say for sure. But if you have to grow, you simply need to eat more. In your situtation you need to eat above 350 gr protein in my opinion, and definately add many steaks as prof X suggested.
Some things I didn’t saw that are important, has your strength increased? What’s your height, weight?
I might get flamed for contributing because I havn’t reached your level of development and I’m not trying to be condecending or saying that my advice is the only way but I hope this helps somewhat or encourages the discussion.
You have made great progress already and you probably already know the stuff being posted (some of it is really good advise). You are just discouraged. You need to go back to what got you to where you are.
You said you are already force feeding but do you remember how hard it was to eat all those calories when you first bumped it up to the current amount (my guess is it is easier now).
You say your not really getting stronger on your lifts, are you lifting with the same intensity you used too? or maybe you are changing things too much to actually progress at a decent rate
Get a firm grasp in your mind of the goal you want to accomplish and set realistic timeframe to get there (you might have to break it down into steps eg 10 pounds).
Ok this is the part which might get me flamed. From your pics it looks like you have great arm development in particular but perhaps not as strong in other areas. Of course everyone has weak points but the chest back and legs (not saying you are weak in all these areas, and didnt see any pics of the legs) have the most potential to add size. Having one weak muscle or group of muscles can limit the growth of others.
I think you might benefit from identifying an area which is underdeveloped or weak (compared to the rest of your body) and adjusting your program to adress it while at the same time taking the diet advise others have put up. You should stick with that program for a couple of months or untill you have brought up that area.
This has the bonus effect of giving you a much more noticable improvment. If most of your focus is on your lats for example you will notice the improvement more than if you spread that muscle evenly over the whole body.
To every other meal add a table spoon of extra light (refers to the flavor) olive oil. Cook with coconut oil isntead of calorie free spray.
Do you do any cardio, sorry if you covered that, I didnt reread the early posts?
I’m 6’ 1" and weigh 208-210lbs every morning after I piss. My primary lifts are Bench 355x2, Squat 365x5, Dead 495x1. My cardio is running 1 miles twice a week. I was thinking of hitting legs twice a week, but I think I may just start dragging a tire behind me when I run.
Since last year I’ve added 10lbs to bench, 60lbs to my deadlift, and 20lbs to my 5-rep squat
I can’t say I really have a week part in strength and performance. As far as appearance goes, my chest and calves need some serious size to look right, and my mid back could use a little more thickness. My back I can fix with more rack pulls. Chest is so defiant I’ve about given up on adding size to it. My brothers are having the same problem. Really odd strength to size ratio. FACT CHECK PLEASE…I was told my calves need deep tissue breakdown from a masseuse if I ever want to get good size on them. Something about running cross country for 4 years scarring the muscle fascia into dense strands that don’t break down easily?
I usually lift 8 times a week. Every day at my lunch hour and 3 times in the evenings. My workout splits are as follows:
Shoulders/Traps
Back/Full deads
Chest/Triceps
Upper Chest/Biceps-Overload
Legs/calves/Rack deads
Triceps/Traps/Calves
Back-bodyweight/Biceps-Isolation
I can’t say I really have a set day for what I do. It’s more time frame based but I allow 2-3 days rest between body parts. I started this 2 years ago and up until the recent year it worked great.
I should add that I only train in sessions of about 45mins. My rest periods for one muscle are doing a set for a different muscle. Also, if, after a warm-up set, the muscle feels sore from a previous workout, I’ll move on to something else.
you are roughly my weight and leaner than myself, you appear blessed with good structure as well.
as mentioned start eating more red meat, steaks + lean ground beef, calorie dense food, as mentioned a shot or shots of olive oil to bump caloric needs would probably be helpful. eating is just as much part of the job as lifting in terms of gains.
as mentioned by the looks of things you’ve got it figured out pretty well, this lifting thing, just look for effective ways to bump your calories while not feeling overwhelmed by the prospect of having to eat a shit load more.
good stuff bro.
Cutting the cardio down will obviiously lower your caloric needs.
I dont really have anything to add. Pretty much everythings been covered by the big guys around here but I just have a question…
Based on your height, weight, pictures and the fact that you said you’re a former cross country runner would you say that you’re a bit top heavy? Not that you dont train your legs but do you find them naturally stubborn when it comes to putting on size because of the former cross country aspect?
I’ve got a buddy who was a former distance runner and always had strong ripped up legs but they never really grew like his upper body did. I always thought it was due to years of X-country
.greg.
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
CT recently addressed the issue of genetic limits and force feeding growth in this thread. It is a bit down the page.
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thanks, interesting.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I hear Casey Butt has interesting theories about genetic limits…[/quote]
The guy is not gaining weight at all. He’s not just getting fat while not gaining muscle. Hence he doesn’t eat enough.
Also, if he started out at a lean 180 lbs… Are you seriously going to tell me that his genetics suck for this?