[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
Here we go again with all the extraneous bullshit dissecting symptoms instead of causes and undue mollycoddling. Doesn’t matter if you’re eating 1000 calories, 5000 calories, 6000 calories or 10,000 calories; if you aren’t growing, you aren’t eating enough, period. 23278, if I read your post correctly, it said you have been eating 6000 calories the whole time you have been stuck and you have been using muscle confusion (i.e. changing your workouts). Why didn’t you just up your food intake? It’s the simplest solution in the word when it comes to weight gain. All these guys who said you should be growing if you eat that much have no idea what your body does with food, how fast your metabolism is, etc., so they should be shot. Just eat more than you are, period. And X, is right, you have done a good job so far.
Come on X, you’re slippin’. It took your third post to tell the guy to eat more. :-)[/quote]
That’s only because I avoided responding to this post at first because he may have actually had some size on him already.
I’ve said it before though, most of these guys would learn a hell of a lot more if these little fuckers would quit jumping to respond to these posts when they are LESS developed than the guy asking the question.
Prof: I added that together and it came out to 5200. That’s just what I make a point to eat daily since it’s cheap and easy. Next paragraph I stated what else I’ll eat. I consume it all before I leave work at 5pm and I eat up until 10pm when I have my casein shake. So with 5200 just from my “base” outline, I’m sure I get over 6000 cals.
[quote]23278 wrote:
Prof: I added that together and it came out to 5200. That’s just what I make a point to eat daily since it’s cheap and easy. Next paragraph I stated what else I’ll eat. I consume it all before I leave work at 5pm and I eat up until 10pm when I have my casein shake. So with 5200 just from my “base” outline, I’m sure I get over 6000 cals.[/quote]
Then eat more. When I wrote that I may be eating that much now…that is just to MAINTAIN my weight.
I have to say I was very surprised to see that you’re actually a decent-sized person who looks like they lift weights. That wasn’t what I was expecting at all. lol.
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
I have to say I was very surprised to see that you’re actually a decent-sized person who looks like they lift weights. That wasn’t what I was expecting at all. lol. [/quote]
haha, x2. I swear muscle confusion and eating 6000 cals a day is like a mantra the undeveloped throw around here. I’m glad to see this guy has some size on him.
[quote]23278 wrote:
So basically if I need to eat more but I’m already force-feeding (no bullshit) and probably can’t fit anymore per meal without puking, I may be SOL?
Sorry, not meaning to sound all doom and gloom here. Are there really any “tricks” to eating more?[/quote]
Eating more in liquid form is easier than eating solid foods. However you choose to interpret that or use it is your own perogative.
[quote]23278 wrote:
So basically if I need to eat more but I’m already force-feeding (no bullshit) and probably can’t fit anymore per meal without puking, I may be SOL?
Sorry, not meaning to sound all doom and gloom here. Are there really any “tricks” to eating more?[/quote]
Well, your first 2 meals look pretty weak. I dunno how much PB and oatmeal you consume during that time but surely you can add some other stuff in there? PB is also pretty filling, could throw in some extra virgin olive oil onto your pasta/rice as well. It’s like 100 cals per tbsp I believe.
Start using a blender. Easy to toss PB, tons of oatmeal, and Whey into it and down that bitch. Also little tricks, Like Olive or Coconut oil (using it in pans or Rubbing meats with it), Or adding whey to meals while using little water so its easily poundable. Also, Eat faster.
Do you have to pee in the middle of the night consistently? When i have a protein shake w/milk before bed i always have a 4AM bathroom trip. This is another way to get in some calories. Have a pre mixed shake in the fridge, a high calorie one at that. Pee, open fridge, gulp, go back to bed.
[quote]23278 wrote:
Pic so you can get an idea of my body comp. I’m at work now, but I’ll get my GF to take some pics on Friday when I see her.
Edit: I’ve made 2 lengthy replies on the diet, but it appears quick reply isn’t working. I thought there was just a delay due to forum moderation. I’m not ignoring your questions.[/quote]
You look good dude…let’s see your training and diet and maybe we can pinpoint why you aren’t gaining.
You willing to lose some of that definition for awhile?
PB is my best friend Every time I go to the kitchen for water or anything I’ll dip my fingers in it a few times. I go though half a jar a day sometimes, real easy calories.
[quote]23278 wrote:
So basically if I need to eat more but I’m already force-feeding (no bullshit) and probably can’t fit anymore per meal without puking, I may be SOL?
Sorry, not meaning to sound all doom and gloom here. Are there really any “tricks” to eating more?[/quote]
More liquid meals and start eating more foods with fat in them as well as more calorically dense foods, in general. IMO, you are eating “cleaner” (relative term) than you need to be to continue gaining weight. What you did originally, probably worked because you weren’t eating well before you started lifting. Right now, if you want to start to gain weight again, you need to be a bit more liberal in what you eat. Don’t be a pig, but don’t be afraid to eat some crap, occasionally. The fact that you defended your eating of the McD’s breakfast burritos shows you have bought into the mentality that you are supposed to be eating like someone that has put on appreciable size and trying to change their body comp as opposed to someone looking to put on mass. Given your height and your weight, you are a LONG way from having to worry about that unless you are worried about keeping your abs, in which case you can call it a day and stay where you are.
More liquid meals and start eating more foods with fat in them as well as more calorically dense foods, in general. IMO, you are eating “cleaner” (relative term) than you need to be to continue gaining weight. What you did originally, probably worked because you weren’t eating well before you started lifting. Right now, if you want to start to gain weight again, you need to be a bit more liberal in what you eat. Don’t be a pig, but don’t be afraid to eat some crap, occasionally. The fact that you defended your eating of the McD’s breakfast burritos shows you have bought into the mentality that you are supposed to be eating like someone that has put on appreciable size and trying to change their body comp as opposed to someone looking to put on mass. Given your height and your weight, you are a LONG way from having to worry about that unless you are worried about keeping your abs, in which case you can call it a day and stay where you are. [/quote]
Honestly, this is the best advice you’re going to get on this. This is spot on - no one’s saying to eat a mega-ton of pure junk, but you need to get more calories in, and besides shakes, don’t be afraid to eat calorically dense foods, and don’t shy away from starchy carbs.
More liquid meals and start eating more foods with fat in them as well as more calorically dense foods, in general. IMO, you are eating “cleaner” (relative term) than you need to be to continue gaining weight. What you did originally, probably worked because you weren’t eating well before you started lifting. Right now, if you want to start to gain weight again, you need to be a bit more liberal in what you eat. Don’t be a pig, but don’t be afraid to eat some crap, occasionally. The fact that you defended your eating of the McD’s breakfast burritos shows you have bought into the mentality that you are supposed to be eating like someone that has put on appreciable size and trying to change their body comp as opposed to someone looking to put on mass. Given your height and your weight, you are a LONG way from having to worry about that unless you are worried about keeping your abs, in which case you can call it a day and stay where you are. [/quote]
Honestly, this is the best advice you’re going to get on this. This is spot on - no one’s saying to eat a mega-ton of pure junk, but you need to get more calories in, and besides shakes, don’t be afraid to eat calorically dense foods, and don’t shy away from starchy carbs. [/quote]
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At this size, I can not gain much more weight while eating totally clean simply because that would require me to eat all day at work when I don’t have the time when I already eat 3-4 times during the day as it is.
If I were Jay Cutler and didn’t have to work, then maybe I could just eat chicken breasts and turkey all day long and grow.
The bigger you get, the more calories you need to make even more progress…and yes, any really big guy you see is more than familiar with “stuffing” food down their throats when they aren’t hungry.
You’ve definitely got an impressive physique. All I will add is that when I was eating 6k calories and sometimes more, shakes were my best friend. I was using Isopure weight gaining shakes for a while, then I decided to make my own. Low fat frozen yogurt, 2 scoops protein powder, strawberries, blueberries, bananas, 5 raw eggs, and some whole milk.
It was a complete B**** to get down at first, I drank this as my breakfast meal, but after a while I got used to it. It’s got a lot of calories, ton of carbs and sugar, but I always try to eat most of my carbs in the mornings anyways. Try adding something like this to your breakfast and you instantly add almost another 1000 cals to your diet.
Ok…My dad drilled healthy eating into me as a kid. I really don’t know how to eat healthily “unhealthy” so help me out here. I have to eat junk in moderation cause it seems to last about 15 minutes in my system before it makes a painful exit.
I’m not afraid to lose my abs. I don’t even work them. The most direct work they see is from heavy ass pull-overs.
The Burritos and a Double Cheeseburger from McD’s are pretty much standard on the weekdays. I can add things like oils to food no problem. I still can’t see eating more portions of food though. Would changing 8oz of my 14oz portion of my chicken to ground beef and eating fatty meats like ribeye and salmon later in the evenings over tilapia and sirloin be considered beneficial? As far as my carbs like oatmeal, rice, wheat pasta, and sweet potatoes, should I eat anything instead of that? I’ve stayed away from breads mainly because they’re quite filling. Keep avoiding them, right?
[quote]23278 wrote:
Ok…My dad drilled healthy eating into me as a kid. I really don’t know how to eat healthily “unhealthy” so help me out here. I have to eat junk in moderation cause it seems to last about 15 minutes in my system before it makes a painful exit.
I’m not afraid to lose my abs. I don’t even work them. The most direct work they see is from heavy ass pull-overs.
The Burritos and a Double Cheeseburger from McD’s are pretty much standard on the weekdays. I can add things like oils to food no problem. I still can’t see eating more portions of food though. Would changing 8oz of my 14oz portion of my chicken to ground beef and eating fatty meats like ribeye and salmon later in the evenings over tilapia and sirloin be considered beneficial? As far as my carbs like oatmeal, rice, wheat pasta, and sweet potatoes, should I eat anything instead of that? I’ve stayed away from breads mainly because they’re quite filling. Keep avoiding them, right?
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A “good/bad” diet for me is eating mostly clean all day long and then having one huge meal before training and then back on the steaks…but I saw no steaks in your diet which made me cry.
There are no guidelines. You have to find what works best for you. I know I can’t eat pizza and wings 3 times a week along with daily trips to micky d’s unless I want my waist to blow up…but I can get away with it in smaller doses.
It is all trial and error. Most of my diet is from food I cook myself during the day and protein shakes.
Switching from chicken to fattier meats(steak/fish) would be of benefit in terms of getting more nutrients in at the same volume of food.
You are one of the few cases of someone who’s already eating a good deal of healthy bodybuilding food who’d benefit immensely from the “peri workout” type drinks that have become increasingly popular lately. A hypothetical 100-150 grams of carbs and 50-75 grams of easily digested proteins split between pre/during/post workout would be a way to get in some quality nutrition without really messing with your overall appetite.
Your carb sources are fine.
Adding something like 1 tbsp of olive oil to a meal instantly bumps the calories up 100+ and doesn’t take any more effort to eat it.
[quote]23278 wrote:
As far as my carbs like oatmeal, rice, wheat pasta, and sweet potatoes, should I eat anything instead of that? I’ve stayed away from breads mainly because they’re quite filling. Keep avoiding them, right?
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You don’t need bread, but I wouldn’t avoid white potatoes or white rice/pasta - Just pump them in at the proper times.
And since fat has 9 cals per gram vs. 4 for proteins/carbs, eating more fat would automatically increases your calories…
I’d get on those carbs. Carbs are protein sparing, so take advantage of that.
Every time I go to the kitchen for water or anything I’ll dip my fingers in it a few times. I go though half a jar a day sometimes, real easy calories.