I’d be very happy if the guys that have used both share their experience and with which esters and what type of oil.
Is there somebody who felt better on IM than SUB-Q on the same blood levels of testosterone in both cases? Is the experience that many people feel worse on Sub-q because testosterone is more slowly absorbed and longer time for optimal blood levels to be reached?
I will consult a progressive TRT doctor in Thursday. Provided he approves me initiating TRT this is one of the main questions for me - whether to start sub-q or IM. I will do daily injections. I’ve done sub-q and I prefer to do this way, but I wanna make sure I will use the best delivery method so I start feeling better. I’m on the impression everybody feels well on IM is that right? But I’m afraid to do that daily. I know only one guy who can teach me in person shallow IM but he is also not very comfortable doing it and he is doing his TRT sub-q.
For what it matters most likely I will use Omnadren which is like sustanon. This is the only pharmaceutical grade I can get. My friend on TRT is using this as well but he gets swelling balls from doing it sub-q. The oil is from peanuts. The other alternative is from a very trusted dealer cypionate produced by him. I trust the man and know him for a long time, I know many of his clients and they are very happy but still I’m not aware with his production technology. I know the cypionate is with some kind of synthetic oil.
Wish me luck with the doctor this Thursday and with sperm freezing next Thursday, to have enough boys to be frozen.
If all goes well the next thread I post will be the TRT Log
I prefer IM but there is almost zero feel-able difference between it and sub-q. I’ve done both for long lengths of time. Either is fine. Sub-q seems like the better starting measure. Levels are constant so less sides and you get used to Testosterone a little easier. Later on you can experiment.
You are way over thinking this. It’s like throwing a rock into a lake. It’s almost impossible to miss the lake. You literally just stick a needle in, push down and pull out. It’s easier than sex.
One bit of advice for you just starting is to keep your expectations in check. It’s not going to fix all issues and there’s going to be times you actually feel worse. You have to have the mental strength to be patient during that time or you’ll prolong being miserable. Reading this you’re likely thinking you know that already but there will come a time that will really have you wanting to try something else too early.
One bit of advice for you just starting is to keep your expectations in check. It’s not going to fix all issues and there’s going to be times you actually feel worse. You have to have the mental strength to be patient during that time or you’ll prolong being miserable. Reading this you’re likely thinking you know that already but there will come a time that will really have you wanting to try something else too early.
I know that and I admit Im anxious and impatient. And I know it logically but if things go in the toilet for some time emotions will rage.
Having said that If I want to start feeling shitty I wanna make sure its not from the delivery method.
I cannot understand that you say " Levels are constant so less sides and you get used to Testosterone a little easier.". Also if it feels the same why you do IM when it is more difficult, bigger chance of infection and so on?
I never felt much of anything on daily subQ but I will be the first to admit I might not have stuck with it long enough to feel anything. I switched to 3x a week IM instead and could at least feel that I was taking something then… then a few weeks later is when I started having good results.
You literally just stick a 1/2" needle in your shoulder and push the plunger. There really isn’t much to learn… YouTube can show you, but it’s hard to screw up
I never noticed a difference between the two. I will go shallow IM once a month or two just to change things up and I dont notice anything. I usually go subq in the belly or love handle
Sub-q is like a calm ocean. No waves you just float. IM is like a normal ocean where sometimes you are just floating and all of a sudden a wave comes out of no where. Maybe it’s a fun wave or maybe you’re splashed in the face.
The only difficult injection is a spinal tap. Everything else is just “put it in”. There’s quite a few idiots doing it with no problem. Getting an infection depends most on your immune system. I’ve done shit that you couldn’t even imagine someone living through and never got an infection. Don’t over-complicate it. The injection is the one part you really can’t fuck up.
@dextermorgan
So on sub-q absorbtion is more slow and steady? Seems like much more suitable for me
And this swelling balls - do they start showing up after some time? I’ve heard other people complain from them from sustanon? I guess you are on cyp, right?
My balls were ginormous before TRT. Just get yourself a nice wheelbarrow and you won’t have any issues.
The whole balls getting bigger/smaller just depends on how your specific body reacts. Most people don’t have enough of a change for it to matter. Get shit like “will my balls get bigger/smaller?” and “I don’t want to inject wrong” out of you’re head. You’re hormones are about to be all over the place and the last thing you need is to be worrying about shit that a) doesn’t matter or b) you have no control over.
My bottle is compounded 200mg cypionate/ 20mg enanthate (220mg/ml).
@dextermorgan I havent touched the topic about the testicles shrinkage, by balls I meant the swellings at injection site on sub-q(sorry on my language this is also called balls :D)
This seems like a really bad idea. I don’t know why any pharma would use an oil so many people are allergic to?
I think IM has more of a hit initially (think test P vs test E) the SubQ gives an effect similar to using a longer ester (not to that extent though). Are people on test E 6 weeks into a cycle saying they don’t notice it? At week 1 they feel hardly anything, just need to let it build up.
Ultimately, the serum level of free testosterone is what matters. You can get good levels with both methods. I choose SubQ because ease of use, and I get good levels.
If that’s true then he isn’t doing it right. The difference in levels between IM & sub-q w/ daily dosing wouldn’t be enough to feel. You also have people that have issues with literally every single thing. It’s more likely psychological issues that need to be addressed more than hormonal.
In how I felt, did not notice a difference between the two. Subq I had more stinging injections that is the only difference I felt, so prefer IM. Oh and didn’t like the nodules I would get beneath the skin either.
Subq seems hardcore for some reason. I much prefer to pin delts IM, used to pin them with 25G 1 inch, switched to 5/8 and now started with 27g 1/2. I don’t even feel the needle going in.
