You have to pinch your fat and then stab yourself in the pinched area. Seems uncomfortable.
Ok, I assumed you talk about the way you feel from the substance
SubQ always burned for me too. I dunno. Maybe it was the brand T I was using that didn’t agree with me. Never had any pain with shallow IM
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@equel - just curious - did you switch from a long time on IM to sub-q and how long did you try sub-q for before getting blood work showing a decline in levels?
I read something interesting recently on the urological guidelines website for T replacement showing differences in sub-q an IM half-lives.
https://www.auanet.org/guidelines/testosterone-deficiency-guideline
“The half-life for IM testosterone was also shorter at 173 hours versus 240 hours for SQ testosterone.”
That’s 7 days vs 10 days…and since we need at least 5 half lives to reach a steady state, it reasons a person would need to be on sub-q for 2 weeks longer than IM before reaching it’s full potential.
Edit - I’ve been on sub-q exclusively for 2 years at 42mg EOD and my TT is 1192, FT is 231 and sensitive E2 is 41.
Doing some blood work today. We’ll see if they are the same.
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That’s an interesting find. Likely due to less vascularity of the fat you’re injecting into. (I didn’t read the article)
I find no difference. Just prefer IM.
I’ve experienced no difference.
I’ve also experienced no difference between 100 mg once per week versus 50 mg twice a week.
Yes, that is correct.
@equel For how long did you try it?
Very interesting. I did 5.5 or 6 weeks before I gave up, I couldnt handle it, felt like hell. Maybe I should have stuck to it a little bit longer.
Oh, its enough to feel for many. A guy on excelmale has made a compilation of people who subQ just dont work for, he had like 40 different people who got 40-60% reduction of total T when doing subQ, many of them increased their e2 alot aswell.
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Do you have a link or a topic name I can search for over there or something?
No pinching if you are fat enough.
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I have been saying that SQ was kinda like using a longer ester vs IM being a shorter ester. Thanks for the post! Previously my claim was just based on anecdotal evidence, but now I have evidence.
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Reduction in total T compared to what?
So sub-q lowered testosterone and raises estrogen in these people? Were their labs posted to prove this? It doesn’t make any sense.
Regardless, most people don’t give a protocol long enough to work. If you don’t feel better by week 6 on any new protocol then there’s a good chance you are someone that requires longer. I personally need 8 weeks to feel the positive effects after a protocol change. If you are constantly trying new protocols for 5-6 weeks and switching then stop and give it more time.
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So far Im definitely leaning to sub-q hope not to be one of the few guys for which it really doesn’t work. On the other hand maybe it will be better that the testosterone will be a mix of propionate and longer esters
Compared to when they did IM - with the same dosage. Just as I experienced it.
And yes, labs were posted.
@equel
Post the link or thread title. Doesn’t sound right.
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Thanks a lot guys so far great and helpful topic for me. You gave me a lot of clarity what i should do.
Its on excel forum, search for subQ vs IM levels or something and Im sure u will find it. A thread with a huge compilation basicly.