This is an idea that that to my best knowledge has never been discussed on T-Nation.
I’m pretty sure that there’s a concensus on T-Nation about peri-workout nutrition. It seems that everybody agrees that it is essential.
But when you’re doing splits, I believe that the effect is even more important.
Let’s suppose that you’ve just finished training legs, wouldn’t peri-workout nutrition be even more important ? The reason being that all the good stuff would go directly to the muscles that you have just trained ? After a TBT session all the muscles are in competition for nutrition in order to recover, but after splits there is no competition…
Could this explain why splits are better for building muscle ? Or is this idea just completely stupid ?
Well, the question leans to the debate: what’s better for building muscle? TBT or splits.
And you are suggesting a reason why splits might be better.
But what about you might have been training you’re chest two days before your given legs session, and your back the day before you trained legs. Wouldn’t your chest and back be still ‘fighting’ over the nutrients and not just the legs you just trained?
[quote]k.elkouhen wrote:
This is an idea that that to my best knowledge has never been discussed on T-Nation.
I’m pretty sure that there’s a concensus on T-Nation about peri-workout nutrition. It seems that everybody agrees that it is essential.
But when you’re doing splits, I believe that the effect is even more important.
Let’s suppose that you’ve just finished training legs, wouldn’t peri-workout nutrition be even more important ? The reason being that all the good stuff would go directly to the muscles that you have just trained ? After a TBT session all the muscles are in competition for nutrition in order to recover, but after splits there is no competition…
Could this explain why splits are better for building muscle ? Or is this idea just completely stupid ?
What do you think ?[/quote]
it also depends on your economic possibilities, otherwise many in here would be training twice a day using full peri-workout protocols for every muscle group alone.
[quote]Johnny Amore wrote:
I’m not saying we should have this debate over again, I’m just saying that the original post leans towards that debate.[/quote]
No it doesn’t. At least that wasn’t my intention.
As I said before, I believe that splits are better for a bodybuilder.
What I’m saying is that peri-workout (a couple of hours around your training, not days) nutrition may explain why splits work…
[quote]k.elkouhen wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
Are you asking if splits are better than TBT for building muscle?
No, I’m sure that splits are better than TBT for hypertrophy.
My question is : Is this related to the fact that there is less competition for nutrition when doing splits ?
I’m sorry if it’s not too clear, english is my third language.[/quote]
I think the main reason splits are better is because, they allow for more recovery and thus let you concentrate on the muscle better as well as use more weight and intensity on each lift.
I can do 4-5 exercises for chest if I have it on it’s own so I can fully hit chest with maximal weights and also allow my body to rest enough so that other muscles won’t be compromised later on in the workout. You could nevewr do this with TBT unless you want to stay in the gym lifting 50% of you 1Rm for 8 hours…
More weight being lifted with more volume accompanied with greater recovery is why splits are better.
[quote]mr popular wrote:
Mr.Purple wrote:
Can we have a TBT vs Splits sticky? lol
… link to that roundtable they had, and maybe a couple of other threads were it has been beaten into the ground.
I know you weren’t trying to start a TBT vs Splits debate OP, the idea for a sticky just struck me right now that’s all.
If you link me to a good one then I’ll add it into my sticky.[/quote]
Well, I think this article sums it up nicely. He is diplomatic enough so that no one should get their panties in a twist, and it pretty much gets the message through that splits are superior for bodybuilding.
[quote]Mr.Purple wrote:
mr popular wrote:
Mr.Purple wrote:
Can we have a TBT vs Splits sticky? lol
… link to that roundtable they had, and maybe a couple of other threads were it has been beaten into the ground.
I know you weren’t trying to start a TBT vs Splits debate OP, the idea for a sticky just struck me right now that’s all.
If you link me to a good one then I’ll add it into my sticky.
Well, I think this article sums it up nicely. He is diplomatic enough so that no one should get their panties in a twist, and it pretty much gets the message through that splits are superior for bodybuilding.
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The sticky is a list of the best things on the T-Nation FORUMS, made by it’s own members. If somebody wanted to read an article about it, they could search the articles easily.
[quote]mr popular wrote:
Mr.Purple wrote:
mr popular wrote:
Mr.Purple wrote:
Can we have a TBT vs Splits sticky? lol
… link to that roundtable they had, and maybe a couple of other threads were it has been beaten into the ground.
I know you weren’t trying to start a TBT vs Splits debate OP, the idea for a sticky just struck me right now that’s all.
If you link me to a good one then I’ll add it into my sticky.
Well, I think this article sums it up nicely. He is diplomatic enough so that no one should get their panties in a twist, and it pretty much gets the message through that splits are superior for bodybuilding.
The sticky is a list of the best things on the T-Nation FORUMS, made by it’s own members. If somebody wanted to read an article about it, they could search the articles easily.
I’d only be interested in a forum discussion.
Plus, that article was far too diplomatic. lol[/quote]
This has been argued over in so many threads though. I can’t think of one thread were it’s summed up.
Ah well, maybe MODOK will make a splits vs TBT roundtable or something. Probably wouldn’t help much in any event, as newbies still seem to post before reading the threads already stickied.
[quote]k.elkouhen wrote:
I’m pretty sure that there’s a concensus on T-Nation about peri-workout nutrition. It seems that everybody agrees that it is essential.
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I’d like to believe that peri-workout nutrition is essential, but haven’t seen enough evidence to suggest it is so. I think supplement companies will try to over-emphasize the effects of peri-workout nutrition. But in the real world, there has been plenty of people that have gotten huge and lean without it, and there have been plenty of people that haven’t noticed a difference with it.
Its really just the icing on the cake, and you cant claim that its essential.
As for your question. It doesnt make much sense. Sure there will be a limited amount of nutrients to go around, and TBT will spread these nutrients out more than with a split. But also TBT usually uses less volume/exercises and a greater frequency, so each muscle group demands less nutrients.
This is definately over-analysis. Just work out, get stronger, and eat what you need to continue to get stronger and gain weight. Its not going to make a noticeable difference whether you take in 4000 calories mainly around your workouts, vs. evenly spread throughout the day.