[quote]dankid wrote:
Your making a big mistake if you judge people’s expertiese based on looks. [/quote]
Aren’t you the guy who did this in your first post? Aren’t you the one who said anyone bigger than you knows nothing and is just a genetic freak?
Yeah, that was you.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Can somebody make this clear for me.
Hanging leg raises does nothing for your abs?
Curls are not the best bicep exercises?
The only routine we should do is squats, deadlifts, pull ups, rows and snatches for the rest of our lives?
The bodybuilders of yesteryear had no clue what they were doing and only had big huge muscles everywhere because they were genetic freaks?
Deadlifting with the same grip will big huge tree trunk forearms, compared to sissies who use alternate grip?
We should use benches for barbell curls?
The majority of gym goers who know what they are doing are under 200lbs and stronger than the big guys because they can do 15 pullups?
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Yes. This is what you tell yourself when you know so much about training that you have not made any progress in years.
Whatever guys, either way you wont catch me doing curls, lat pulldowns, crunches, or leg extensions.
I never judged these guys by their size, other than the fact that if the guy deadlifting 155 needed to use a alternate grip, then he had some seriously weak forearms.
I understand that if something works, people will use it, but people have overcomplicated fitness completely. In my opinion all that matters is,
Choosing the “best” exercises to achieve your goals. 9/10 times these are compound
Progress from week to week.
Put emphasis on rest and nutrition.
If something isn’t working as you wished it to, then switch what your doing.
I could just ignore all the ignorance that i have seen in the gym and now on this site, but it effects me in more ways than one. Health is such a problem in the US, and people have been spreading horrible info over the past years, instead of focusing on the basic principles, like those above. Things are getting better though, I see females lifting weights, and more and more people doing O-lifts and such. Luckily the “core craze” seems to be over. I still am pissed at the fact that people think weight lifting makes you gain weight, and cardio makes you lose weight.
Sorry though, I dont know what im talking about cause i dont weight more than 200lbs. Oh wait, theres a lot of 200+ lbs people at mcdonalds, id better go ask them about working out.
Oh, and I would definately disagree that curls are the best bicep exercise. Rows and chinups will always be superior.
[quote]dankid wrote:
Since im planning to be a strength coach and not an athlete, i’d rather be small and have a ton of knowledge and experience, than to be huge and not have a clue what im doing.[/quote]
Generally, there are two ways to gain respect in this field: Reach impressive goals yourself or show that you’ve helped others reach impressive goals. Until you do one of those two things, don’t expect to be taken too seriously.
Not an attack, just an observation.
I sense a great disturbance in the force…a disgruntled would-be bodybuilder, soon to be a “functional trainer.”
[quote]Mr. Clean & Jerk wrote:
I sense a great disturbance in the force…a disgruntled would-be bodybuilder, soon to be a “functional trainer.”[/quote]
“What was that Chewie?”
“Arggh!”
Sorry about that.
If you were huge, I think you’d have somewhat of an idea of what you were doing. Big guys don’t get stronger and bigger by accident(even accounting for genetics).
Even if you were small, what would guarantee that you knew what worked best for other people, and why wouldn’t that same thing allow you to learn what works best for others if you were big?
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
BWBurner wrote:
I didn’t need to get managment to move him. If I had needed management’s help, I would have went home in shame.
A couple of “15 year olds” took over your squat rack. You did not give off enough of a vibe that let them know this wasn’t OK. That’s not a good thing.
5’7" and 175 (assuming you are not fat or lying) is a good size. This tells me your attitude is way too passive. Maybe you’re OK with that. It’s your life to live - not mine. But you should be self-aware enough to realize that when kids feel it’s acceptable to jack your shit, something is very wrong.[/quote]
Something is also very wrong about intimidating children! I don’t think it would be the best idea to man up to a 15 year old. You are a grown man. You should be better than that.
You should be polite about it. Say something like “Excuse me, sir. I was using that.” They will be more shocked that you were polite and put you in the father figure category instead of keying your car.
Now when it is another full grown man, all bets are off.
Story time:
I had my bag next to the bench as well as my water bottle on it while I was spotting my girlfriend. When I walked back, not 30 seconds later, a man moved my stuff and was using the station. I was polite and said “Sir, that was MY water bottle.” He pointed to it and said “Uh, there it is.” I then said “One way or another, YOU are getting up from this bench.” He got up and went to the other side of the gym.
If it was a 15 year old, yeah, I probably would’ve gotten management.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
BWBurner wrote:
if i did it probably would have ended up in a fight. it has nothin to do with being small or giving out feminine vibes. I wasn’t about to get my membership revoked along with a possible assault charge just because a couple of 15 year olds won’t get the fuck out of my way.
Here is what I am trying to say: If you look like you lift and carry yourself a certain way, you don’t have to fight. The “15 year olds” will just naturally get out of the way. This is a basic law of the jungle. Again, while I am not a huge guy, and I almost made someone cry after he pulled a stunt like that on me. I just made it very clear to him that the rack was in use and that I had stepped away to drink water. I didn’t need to get managment to move him. If I had needed management’s help, I would have went home in shame.
A couple of “15 year olds” took over your squat rack. You did not give off enough of a vibe that let them know this wasn’t OK. That’s not a good thing.
5’7" and 175 (assuming you are not fat or lying) is a good size. This tells me your attitude is way too passive. Maybe you’re OK with that. It’s your life to live - not mine. But you should be self-aware enough to realize that when kids feel it’s acceptable to jack your shit, something is very wrong.[/quote]
alright i see where your coming from now. im not lying and its not that much fat either, i run track in college so even if i try to gain fat its hard for me. This was the first time i ever had this problem, 99% of the time they’d get out of the way really quick. But i guess you could say it was one of those days.
lol and you made somebody cry? i gotta hear the story behind that one.
It comes in a distant third, after hard work and nutrition.
Some exercises are certainly better than others, but working harder than hell on a select few and eating like a horse WILL give you results. No matter if it’s curls, deadlifts, rows, presses or behind the neck pulldowns on a Bosu ball. Work hard, and you’ll get SOMETHING out of it.
Effort is why the guy cheat curling 200+ is big and the kids scoffing in the corner stay small.
[quote]LUEshi wrote:
IMO, exercise selection is the most important factor of training.
It comes in a distant third, after hard work and nutrition.
Some exercises are certainly better than others, but working harder than hell on a select few and eating like a horse WILL give you results. No matter if it’s curls, deadlifts, rows, presses or behind the neck pulldowns on a Bosu ball. Work hard, and you’ll get SOMETHING out of it.
Effort is why the guy cheat curling 200+ is big and the kids scoffing in the corner stay small.[/quote]
very true. sometimes people stress form too much. i remember a few years ago seeing a guy rep 315 for 10 on the bench. the firt thing i noticed was the guy was extremely muscular not his form on rep #8 of his bench press.
[quote]dankid wrote:
Whatever guys, either way you wont catch me doing curls, lat pulldowns, crunches, or leg extensions.
I never judged these guys by their size, other than the fact that if the guy deadlifting 155 needed to use a alternate grip, then he had some seriously weak forearms.
I understand that if something works, people will use it, but people have overcomplicated fitness completely. In my opinion all that matters is,
Choosing the “best” exercises to achieve your goals. 9/10 times these are compound
Progress from week to week.
Put emphasis on rest and nutrition.
If something isn’t working as you wished it to, then switch what your doing.
I could just ignore all the ignorance that i have seen in the gym and now on this site, but it effects me in more ways than one. Health is such a problem in the US, and people have been spreading horrible info over the past years, instead of focusing on the basic principles, like those above. Things are getting better though, I see females lifting weights, and more and more people doing O-lifts and such. Luckily the “core craze” seems to be over. I still am pissed at the fact that people think weight lifting makes you gain weight, and cardio makes you lose weight.
Sorry though, I dont know what im talking about cause i dont weight more than 200lbs. Oh wait, theres a lot of 200+ lbs people at mcdonalds, id better go ask them about working out.
Oh, and I would definately disagree that curls are the best bicep exercise. Rows and chinups will always be superior.[/quote]
A few things you may want to consider.
The body is capable of doing compound exercises AND isolation exercises, you don’t actually have to choose.
Do you think that people will want to pay someone who doesn’t even believe that they can improve themselves to help them reach their goals?
Will you be offering refunds to anyone who turns out not to be a genetic freak?
All things being equal would you not expect someone to gain muscle and therefore weight if they are getting stronger (assuming they didn’t start out overweight)?
You mention that you like the authors on this site as they “aren’t scared to use “unconventional” methods” while maintaining that there is only one way to train. Do you not realise that you are being hypocritical?
Aren’t results more important than theories?
Not trying to give you a hard time here but you sound like you could use a little less “knowledge” and a little more experience.
What the fuck is with everyone bashing lat pulls? So some articles come out saying that pullups are superior, and now people are ANTI-lat pulldown?
I’m going to go with Easy E and CaliLaw on this one.
Shut up and join a planet fitness.
That or write your injudicious rants in the thread they’re meant to be in; “Squat rack curls”.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
Well, not everyone has reached the level of knowledge of a person who is 5’11", 180 lbs., and 13% bodyfat. Be easy on the plebeians. Someday they will know what you know.
Next time you should go up to the “huge viking looking guy” and give him some tips. It’s obvious that what he’s doing in the gym isn’t work for him. Also, help out the “pretty big” guy using an “alternate” grip for the dead lifts. It’s obvious what he’s doing is not working for him, either.
What fools we encounter in the gym![/quote]
Ha ha ha ha !!!
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
dankid wrote:
i really hate seeing huge guys in the gym
Why don’t you start training at Planet Fitness? [/quote]
I saw a guy benching 405 for reps at Planet Fitness yesterday, and another guy jerking 225, again for reps. Made my day.
[quote]dankid wrote:
Your making a big mistake if you judge people’s expertiese based on looks.[/quote]
Correct. You also need to consider how their looks (or performance) have changed. I don’t care if a guy is 200 pounds and 10% body fat, I care that he was 250 pounds and 35% body fat, and has the knowledge and discipline to change that around. Similarly, I don’t care if a guy can pull 400 pounds, I want to know that he started of pulling 135, and worked hard and correctly, and achieved something.
And if a guy has helped a lot of athletes achieve something great, I’ll listen to him. But otherwise, if he isn’t living the life, chances are he’s not going to be able to help me live the life, either.
I don’t care if a guy has memorized the collected writings of Dave Tate, if he’s only benching a plate on each side, he’s not qualified to help me get bigger or stronger. Nor does it matter if someone can preach the Gospel of Saint Thibs, if he hasn’t dramatically changed his body, he isn’t qualified to help me do it, either.
The best lessons you’ll ever teach are the ones you’ve lived. If you want to coach athletes, be an athlete. And if seeing someone with greater genetic potential aggravates you, chances are your career as a coach is going to be short-lived.
I never stated i cant get huge. Im very happy with my current weight, and would rather be incredibly strong for my size, and in shape, than be just average strength and huge.
Like i said before, in a country where majority of adults are overweight or obese, I dont feel I have to keep up with the norm.
Also, i never said there is only one way to train. I said that there is a large group of people out there that have been following one misguided approach, when there are many others that will work better.
I base my opinions on both knowledge and experience. Ive seen how much better squats or cleans are for developing your body, than curls and leg extensions.
Isolation movements should be nothing more than a supplementary exercise. If your already doing Rows, Pullups, and cleans, and your biceps still need work, then some curls may be helpful. Also, very “elite” lifters should use isolation as well.
I dont see why this is a big shock to everyone. Its been said over and over again, that your body grows best as a whole. Your not going to add serious size to your arms without adding serious weight to your body.
And then again is the fact that i dont condone selling your soul to get bigger. If all you do is train limited body parts, thats basically what your doing. Your cutting down your potential, and setting yourself up for injuries down the road.
I could be wrong though, and all those guys in the gym that train just bench and curls are right.
[quote]dankid wrote:
Whatever guys, either way you wont catch me doing curls, lat pulldowns, crunches, or leg extensions.[/quote]
Why would you just throw shit out of the toolbox? I don’t think anyone here is saying to only do iso work, but to refuse to do any, ever, is equally as retarded.
He’s used to it from deadlifting big weight maybe, since you did say he is “pretty big.” Why would he do normal grip sometimes if he knows he will alternate on his big sets?
[quote]I understand that if something works, people will use it, but people have overcomplicated fitness completely. In my opinion all that matters is,
Then stop badmouthing HUGE VIKING looking guys. Obviously they never made progress they were born that way.
Then why are you so fucking glued to the thought of someone training differently than you?
[quote]4. If something isn’t working as you wished it to, then switch what your doing.
I could just ignore all the ignorance that i have seen in the gym and now on this site, but it effects me in more ways than one. Health is such a problem in the US, and people have been spreading horrible info over the past years, instead of focusing on the basic principles, like those above. Things are getting better though, I see females lifting weights, and more and more people doing O-lifts and such. Luckily the “core craze” seems to be over. I still am pissed at the fact that people think weight lifting makes you gain weight, and cardio makes you lose weight.[/quote]
What the fuck is this diatribe? Pot/kettle?
What a stupid strawman.
Read above. More direct work, less recovery. Rows and chins may be better “overall,” but as a biceps exercise curls are better.
So I read the o.p.'s story and I think you should change the title to “stuff I saw in the gym”. I didn’t find anything particularly stupid about any of it. Well except for the part about big guys mainly getting that way through genetics. Anyone knows it’s steroids.
On a side note I was using the power rack to do some push-presses because I didn’t feel like picking the weight up off the floor and the gym was dead at the time. Some guy walks up with a belt and asks when I’ll be done and I ask him if he’s going to squat.
He says yes and I tell him that I’m finished and he can have it, because the squat rack is for squats. I feel magnanimous in my anti-squat-rack-curling decision. He wasn’t even 15.