[quote]thomas.galvin wrote:
I saw a guy benching 405 for reps at Planet Fitness yesterday, and another guy jerking 225, again for reps. Made my day.[/quote]
Damn. Now the OP can’t go there, either.
Maybe he can dig himself a large hole to go train in.
[quote]vandalay15 wrote:
What the fuck is with everyone bashing lat pulls? So some articles come out saying that pullups are superior, and now people are ANTI-lat pulldown? [/quote]
I like lat pulls myself, but i must say i have definately found pull ups to be far superior.
Both have their benefits, much like a set of dumbell preacher curls has it’s place after a round of deads and rows, but the pull ups are the big daddy that really get me fatigued and growing.
Throw weighted pull ups with mixed grips in to the mix, do them properly and be sure you are capable of doing enough of them, and i dare say you almost have a 1 excercise back and bi routine.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
thomas.galvin wrote:
I saw a guy benching 405 for reps at Planet Fitness yesterday, and another guy jerking 225, again for reps. Made my day.
Damn. Now the OP can’t go there, either.
Maybe he can dig himself a large hole to go train in.[/quote]
He should shut up and save the energy to lift heavy!
[quote]dankid wrote:
I never stated i cant get huge. Im very happy with my current weight, and would rather be incredibly strong for my size, and in shape, than be just average strength and huge.
Like i said before, in a country where majority of adults are overweight or obese, I dont feel I have to keep up with the norm.
Also, i never said there is only one way to train. I said that there is a large group of people out there that have been following one misguided approach, when there are many others that will work better.
I base my opinions on both knowledge and experience. Ive seen how much better squats or cleans are for developing your body, than curls and leg extensions.
Isolation movements should be nothing more than a supplementary exercise. If your already doing Rows, Pullups, and cleans, and your biceps still need work, then some curls may be helpful. Also, very “elite” lifters should use isolation as well.
I dont see why this is a big shock to everyone. Its been said over and over again, that your body grows best as a whole. Your not going to add serious size to your arms without adding serious weight to your body.
And then again is the fact that i dont condone selling your soul to get bigger. If all you do is train limited body parts, thats basically what your doing. Your cutting down your potential, and setting yourself up for injuries down the road.
I could be wrong though, and all those guys in the gym that train just bench and curls are right. [/quote]
So is it being big or excercising improperly that bothers you? You seem to be tying one in to the other.
Lifting weights and progressively increasing the load, regardless of which excercises are used, will cause muscle growth.
Yes, squats are generally a better excercise than leg extensions.
Yes Flat barbell benchpresses are technically superior to tricep extentions.
But only because they incorporate each muscle group the isolation excercises incorporate plus more. If you are only going to do a handful of excercises when you train, compound lifts are best. If you are going to be a man, compound lifts followed by supplementary isolation lifts are best.
Some people do get big doing strictly isolation movements, though not many. And no, these people are not good at lifting much when they do attempt compound lifts.
Most people who are truly big and strong base their training around compound lifts, but stay long after completing the lifts for isolation work to further fatigue each muscle group and stimulate even more growth.
If you are stuck at a weight on the bench press, your best bet for the fastest improvement is to hit tricep and shoulder excercises very hard. Isolate and strengthen them. It will eliminate your sticking points within a few sessions.
This is the theory behind most truly big and strong people doing isolation work and it is a sound one.
Of course you do have the occasional guy who only does isolation and looks all puffed up but can’t bench half of what his grandma can, but they are usually the exception rather than the rule.
Same goes for little guys who lift freakishly large amounts of weight for their size.
I had a buddy in high school who weighed 165 lbs. He was on the wrestling team with me and kept his weight consistent. In high school, at the age of 16 and weighing 165 lbs, he was benching 340 and squatting for over 500 and was one of the strongest kids on the schools weight room board, of all grades. His older brother and dad were the same way. Definately genetic exceptions but certainly not the rule.
Generally, guys with big muscles are strong.
Guys with little muscles are not.
Regardless of if you happen to stumble in to the weight room on their program during compound or isolation lifts.
[quote]texasguy1 wrote:
vandalay15 wrote:
What the fuck is with everyone bashing lat pulls? So some articles come out saying that pullups are superior, and now people are ANTI-lat pulldown?
I like lat pulls myself, but i must say i have definately found pull ups to be far superior.
Both have their benefits, much like a set of dumbell preacher curls has it’s place after a round of deads and rows, but the pull ups are the big daddy that really get me fatigued and growing.
Throw weighted pull ups with mixed grips in to the mix, do them properly and be sure you are capable of doing enough of them, and i dare say you almost have a 1 excercise back and bi routine. [/quote]
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[quote]BALBO wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
vandalay15 wrote:
What the fuck is with everyone bashing lat pulls? So some articles come out saying that pullups are superior, and now people are ANTI-lat pulldown?
I like lat pulls myself, but i must say i have definately found pull ups to be far superior.
Both have their benefits, much like a set of dumbell preacher curls has it’s place after a round of deads and rows, but the pull ups are the big daddy that really get me fatigued and growing.
Throw weighted pull ups with mixed grips in to the mix, do them properly and be sure you are capable of doing enough of them, and i dare say you almost have a 1 excercise back and bi routine.
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[quote]texasguy1 wrote:
BALBO wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
vandalay15 wrote:
What the fuck is with everyone bashing lat pulls? So some articles come out saying that pullups are superior, and now people are ANTI-lat pulldown?
I like lat pulls myself, but i must say i have definately found pull ups to be far superior.
Both have their benefits, much like a set of dumbell preacher curls has it’s place after a round of deads and rows, but the pull ups are the big daddy that really get me fatigued and growing.
Throw weighted pull ups with mixed grips in to the mix, do them properly and be sure you are capable of doing enough of them, and i dare say you almost have a 1 excercise back and bi routine.
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don’t.hate.me.because.i’m.sexy.bitch.[/quote]
I dont hate you.
You just lack moustaches.
Real men wear moustaches.
[quote]texasguy1 wrote:
BALBO wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
vandalay15 wrote:
What the fuck is with everyone bashing lat pulls? So some articles come out saying that pullups are superior, and now people are ANTI-lat pulldown?
I like lat pulls myself, but i must say i have definately found pull ups to be far superior.
Both have their benefits, much like a set of dumbell preacher curls has it’s place after a round of deads and rows, but the pull ups are the big daddy that really get me fatigued and growing.
Throw weighted pull ups with mixed grips in to the mix, do them properly and be sure you are capable of doing enough of them, and i dare say you almost have a 1 excercise back and bi routine.
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most.irrelevent.post.in.a.long.time.
don’t.hate.me.because.i’m.sexy.bitch.[/quote]
I am even sexier!
In a war you have to respond 3 times harder!
My new avatar…
[quote]BALBO wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
BALBO wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
vandalay15 wrote:
What the fuck is with everyone bashing lat pulls? So some articles come out saying that pullups are superior, and now people are ANTI-lat pulldown?
I like lat pulls myself, but i must say i have definately found pull ups to be far superior.
Both have their benefits, much like a set of dumbell preacher curls has it’s place after a round of deads and rows, but the pull ups are the big daddy that really get me fatigued and growing.
Throw weighted pull ups with mixed grips in to the mix, do them properly and be sure you are capable of doing enough of them, and i dare say you almost have a 1 excercise back and bi routine.
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most.irrelevent.post.in.a.long.time.
don’t.hate.me.because.i’m.sexy.bitch.
I dont hate you.
You just lack moustaches.
Real men wear moustaches.[/quote]
I lack neck wrinkles too. Damn.
[quote]BALBO wrote:
In a war you have to respond 3 times harder!
My new avatar…[/quote]
That would be fine, except that you can’t claim another’s sexiness as your own. That is just gay.
You could quit being a wussy and post a pic of your own mug.
[quote]texasguy1 wrote:
BALBO wrote:
texasguy1 wrote:
vandalay15 wrote:
What the fuck is with everyone bashing lat pulls? So some articles come out saying that pullups are superior, and now people are ANTI-lat pulldown?
I like lat pulls myself, but i must say i have definately found pull ups to be far superior.
Both have their benefits, much like a set of dumbell preacher curls has it’s place after a round of deads and rows, but the pull ups are the big daddy that really get me fatigued and growing.
Throw weighted pull ups with mixed grips in to the mix, do them properly and be sure you are capable of doing enough of them, and i dare say you almost have a 1 excercise back and bi routine.
Worst.Avatar.Ever.
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don’t.hate.me.because.i’m.sexy.bitch.[/quote]
Man,grow some moustaches!
Don Predator Frye sporting larger than life moustaches!!!
The real man!
Where are your moustaches?
I never said i hate people that are big, and i probably should have titled the topic “funny things i saw at the gym”.
I guess I just come from a different school of thought than most here. Im not a functional guy, but i would lean toward the functional approach far before the get big at all costs approach.
IMO what good is leg pressing 700lbs, when you cant squat 2x your body weight. Im gonna say it, squat is more “functional” The functional approach doesn’t work for the most part though, because most people live pretty sedentary lives. We dont need to train our bodies to be able to drive a car, or sit at a desk, or push buttons on a microwave.
Saying that pullups are more functional than lat pulldowns is a questionable statement though, unless you do a lot of rock climbing or parkour. Its not about functionality in my opinion, its about efficiency. One of the big reasons sedentary people dont workout, other then them being lazy, is that they dont think they have the time. Well sure, when they here about people working out for hours upon hours and recieving less than optimal results, i kinda feel the same way too.
If they only knew they just needed a small handful of exercises, and 30 minutes a couple of days a week, and they’d get far better results.
I still hold that im a minimalist, I stress strength and “funcionality” over size, and that with training, quality over quantity is paramount.
Oh and I would have 99% of athletes avoid curls like the plaque.
And I wasn’t bashing vikings in general, i just thought it was funny to see a guy that was 6’6+ probably 280+ with a pony tail down past his waist. He should seriously try to be in movies if he already isn’t
[quote]dankid wrote:
If they only knew they just needed a small handful of exercises, and 30 minutes a couple of days a week, and they’d get far better results.[/quote]
Hot dog! I haven’t been taken in by a troll in a very long time. This was some mighty fine work you did in this thread. Seriously, well done.
[quote]dankid wrote:
I never said i hate people that are big, and i probably should have titled the topic “funny things i saw at the gym”.
I guess I just come from a different school of thought than most here. Im not a functional guy, but i would lean toward the functional approach far before the get big at all costs approach.
IMO what good is leg pressing 700lbs, when you cant squat 2x your body weight. Im gonna say it, squat is more “functional” The functional approach doesn’t work for the most part though, because most people live pretty sedentary lives. We dont need to train our bodies to be able to drive a car, or sit at a desk, or push buttons on a microwave.
Saying that pullups are more functional than lat pulldowns is a questionable statement though, unless you do a lot of rock climbing or parkour. Its not about functionality in my opinion, its about efficiency. One of the big reasons sedentary people dont workout, other then them being lazy, is that they dont think they have the time. Well sure, when they here about people working out for hours upon hours and recieving less than optimal results, i kinda feel the same way too.
If they only knew they just needed a small handful of exercises, and 30 minutes a couple of days a week, and they’d get far better results.
I still hold that im a minimalist, I stress strength and “funcionality” over size, and that with training, quality over quantity is paramount.
Oh and I would have 99% of athletes avoid curls like the plaque.
And I wasn’t bashing vikings in general, i just thought it was funny to see a guy that was 6’6+ probably 280+ with a pony tail down past his waist. He should seriously try to be in movies if he already isn’t[/quote]
Just eat,damn it!!! And lift heavy!!! Or go home!!!
Got to frigging eat,dude!!! AND LIFT SOME HEAVY SHIT!!!
Functional training rules!!!
Functionaly trained athlete.He is functional in his sport…pounding down beers and stuffing his face with McShit.
[quote]dankid wrote:
I never said i hate people that are big, and i probably should have titled the topic “funny things i saw at the gym”.
I guess I just come from a different school of thought than most here. Im not a functional guy, but i would lean toward the functional approach far before the get big at all costs approach.
IMO what good is leg pressing 700lbs, when you cant squat 2x your body weight. Im gonna say it, squat is more “functional” The functional approach doesn’t work for the most part though, because most people live pretty sedentary lives. We dont need to train our bodies to be able to drive a car, or sit at a desk, or push buttons on a microwave.
Saying that pullups are more functional than lat pulldowns is a questionable statement though, unless you do a lot of rock climbing or parkour. Its not about functionality in my opinion, its about efficiency. One of the big reasons sedentary people dont workout, other then them being lazy, is that they dont think they have the time. Well sure, when they here about people working out for hours upon hours and recieving less than optimal results, i kinda feel the same way too.
If they only knew they just needed a small handful of exercises, and 30 minutes a couple of days a week, and they’d get far better results.
I still hold that im a minimalist, I stress strength and “funcionality” over size, and that with training, quality over quantity is paramount.
Oh and I would have 99% of athletes avoid curls like the plaque.
And I wasn’t bashing vikings in general, i just thought it was funny to see a guy that was 6’6+ probably 280+ with a pony tail down past his waist. He should seriously try to be in movies if he already isn’t[/quote]
I’m afraid your logic is a little flawed. If someone is trying to build muscle as most of us are, then the most efficient or effective method is the one that produces the best results. This would suggest that the bigger guys methods are more effective than yours.
What you say about sedentary people and those that go to the gym but haven’t got a clue what to do when they get there may be true but that’s not who you’re talking to now (hopefully).
So, would someone who is already doing the basic compound movements you suggest and utilising isolation movements also make better progress by training only twice a week for 30 mins?
I’m not so sure.
While you say that you don’t dislike big guys you must be able to see that you are coming across as incredibly jealous. Why can’t you accept that it is possible for someone to be big and strong? There’s nothing wrong with not wanting to be big yourself but by trying to devalue the achievements of others you just sound insecure.