[quote]dragonmamma wrote:
No comments from anyone about the legitimacy of using a pull-up bar for leg raises? Hell, at the gym I go to, there are only half a dozen of us in the entire place who ever use it for any reason at all.[/quote]
Ok, ok, I’ll comment on it. It’s a legitimate use of the pull-up bar. 
And really it’s only a pull-up bar if you are doing pull-ups on it right?
Otherwise it’s just a bar.
lolz, this is silly
[quote]BWBurner wrote:
the other day i was getting ready to do 365 on the squat, i was thirsty so before i went to lift it i placed my belt on the bar to indicate that the power rack was “in use” and went to snag a drink of water. When I got back i saw two kids who looked like freshman in high school stripping my weight down to 135 and were about to do calf raises.
I told them “i was using that” and they said “nobody was here” and so i said “didn’t you see the belt on the bar?” and they went “its the gyms belt anybody could of left it there”.
So i then asked if i could have the squat rack back again and they said “no caue you weren’t going to rerack your weights” and i went “how do you know that?” and they go “cause you look like the type. anybody who squats heavy doesn’t rerack their weights”.
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nothing irritates me more then a guy who leaves behind some old rag or something while they go off to “get a drink” or play grab-ass with their buddies for 20 minutes and think they can come back and monopolize a piece of equipment all day
i am the guy that will strip off your weights as soon as you turn your back…
[quote]BJ* wrote:
BWBurner wrote:
the other day i was getting ready to do 365 on the squat, i was thirsty so before i went to lift it i placed my belt on the bar to indicate that the power rack was “in use” and went to snag a drink of water. When I got back i saw two kids who looked like freshman in high school stripping my weight down to 135 and were about to do calf raises.
I told them “i was using that” and they said “nobody was here” and so i said “didn’t you see the belt on the bar?” and they went “its the gyms belt anybody could of left it there”.
So i then asked if i could have the squat rack back again and they said “no caue you weren’t going to rerack your weights” and i went “how do you know that?” and they go “cause you look like the type. anybody who squats heavy doesn’t rerack their weights”.
.
nothing irritates me more then a guy who leaves behind some old rag or something while they go off to “get a drink” or play grab-ass with their buddies for 20 minutes and think they can come back and monopolize a piece of equipment all day
i am the guy that will strip off your weights as soon as you turn your back…
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so essentially nobody is allowed to have any rest between sets according to you? you’ve never went to get a quick drink at the fountain between a rest period? i never said i was going off to play grab ass or going off for a 20 minute “drink”.
alright fine then the next time i am planning to lift heavy i’ll just add the weight and immediately go and lift the weight ASAP just to please douche bags like you…
I won’t leave the equipment.
If I forgot a water bottle, i’ll have to be thirsty for a couple of minutes…you can’t expect people to read your mind and know you will be back.
In YOUR case you might have been just a few seconds…but I’ve seen (i’m sure we have all seen) plenty of a-holes who screw around too long and monopolize equipment…
In any case, I don’t mean to start a personal argument. Just took this opportunity to point out that perception means a lot. You thought those guys were idiots because they jumped on your rack…from their perspective, it might have been different.
Well you guys have your opinions about alternate grip, and I will always feel that you should TRAIN with same grip, and possibly when doing your final work sets use some straps. Forearms are always peoples weak area, and using the alternate grip just brings this feature out more in my opinion.
Sorry if this wasn’t the best rant ever, but these are some different things i have noticed. Everyone has opinions, and i really hate seeing huge guys in the gym, that are most likely huge because of genetics, and everyone looks at them as role models. This is why people started curling in the squat rack in the first place. They saw one guy with huge biceps curling some rediculous weight, and then they decided that squat rack curls were the only way to build big biceps.
IMO, exercise selection is the most important factor of training. If you want to gain weight, and you had to choose one exercise, it wouldn’t be curls. It would probably be squats or deadlifts.
Gyms, especially the comercial ones have been “dumbed” down, due to training ignorance over the years, and the fact that nobody wants to take the time to learn how to lift correctly.
This is why you’ll see 1-2 squat racks, 5-10 benches, and a bunch of machines to work your biceps, and abductors/adductors. Im not saying hanging leg raises aren’t useful, but cmon people, your not targeting your lower abs by doing these, and you dont need to do 20 minutes of hanging leg raises.
Im a minimalist when it comes to training, which means, i believe the quickest most efficient method to achieving a goal is the best path. This is why you’ll pretty much never see me doing lat pulldowns or curls.
Its pretty common knowledge that sticking with the compounds:
Squat
Deadlift
Bench
Clean
Snatch
Rows
Pullups
etc.
Is the best way to train.
A couple of sets of squats, bench, and pullups, can produce a much more effective workout than some guy doing 10+ sets of lat pulldowns or leg raises, and in much less time. I can get a very good full body workout in 20-30 minutes, while joe blow is doing 5 sets of curls in the squat rack.
Maybe i dont belong in a commercial gym, but its what is by my house. Seeing overweight and out of shape people working toward insanity, because they are following the SHANANAGINS of a very small minority with elite genetics is what really pisses me off.
Oh and what the guy said about the kids trying to steal your equipemtn. I agree with what you did. I sometimes will walk to get a drink and come back and see someone trying to take off my weight, and i let them know i got a few more sets. Usually they are all pissed off. If i ever do what they do on accident, i say sorry and ask how long they’ll be or if I can work in with them.
[quote]BWBurner wrote:
dre wrote:
BWBurner wrote:
the other day i was getting ready to do 365 on the squat, i was thirsty so before i went to lift it i placed my belt on the bar to indicate that the power rack was “in use” and went to snag a drink of water. When I got back i saw two kids who looked like freshman in high school stripping my weight down to 135 and were about to do calf raises.
I told them “i was using that” and they said “nobody was here” and so i said “didn’t you see the belt on the bar?” and they went “its the gyms belt anybody could of left it there”.
So i then asked if i could have the squat rack back again and they said “no caue you weren’t going to rerack your weights” and i went “how do you know that?” and they go “cause you look like the type. anybody who squats heavy doesn’t rerack their weights”.
pissed me off.
I also saw a girl hang clean 135 today. I immediately asked for her number.
So, did you let them get away with stealing the squat rack? I hope you didn’t let that happen.
no i didn’t. i did the “logical” thing and told an employee about it and he told them to wait their turn. i know some people may not consider that “manly” but it got the job done a lot faster then the 5 minutes of arguing with them!
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I would just have started putting the weight back on the bar and if they asked what I was doing I would say squats, dont worry Il be done soon.
Im a bad ass.
[quote]BJ* wrote:
I won’t leave the equipment.
If I forgot a water bottle, i’ll have to be thirsty for a couple of minutes…you can’t expect people to read your mind and know you will be back.
In YOUR case you might have been just a few seconds…but I’ve seen (i’m sure we have all seen) plenty of a-holes who screw around too long and monopolize equipment…
In any case, I don’t mean to start a personal argument. Just took this opportunity to point out that perception means a lot. You thought those guys were idiots because they jumped on your rack…from their perspective, it might have been different.[/quote]
alright now i see your point. and i usually get my water break between exercises instead of sets. but once you start gong heavy your mouth can get dry pretty quickly.
[quote]BJ* wrote:
nothing irritates me more then a guy who leaves behind some old rag or something while they go off to “get a drink” or play grab-ass with their buddies for 20 minutes and think they can come back and monopolize a piece of equipment all day
i am the guy that will strip off your weights as soon as you turn your back…
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Damn you!
[quote]dankid wrote:
Well you guys have your opinions about alternate grip, and I will always feel that you should TRAIN with same grip, and possibly when doing your final work sets use some straps. Forearms are always peoples weak area, and using the alternate grip just brings this feature out more in my opinion.
Sorry if this wasn’t the best rant ever, but these are some different things i have noticed. Everyone has opinions, and i really hate seeing huge guys in the gym, that are most likely huge because of genetics,[/quote]
I dont even have a witty comment for this, advice: spend the years it takes to get big and then have some kid come up to you and claim its genetics and not hard work.
Who are you to be the judge of genetics any way?
No its because no one ever squats and its convenient
[quote]They saw one guy with huge biceps curling some rediculous weight, and then they decided that squat rack curls were the only way to build big biceps[/quote].
Yeah thats it. I saw a guy grunting while doing scull crushers today, I think Il get naked and rub my sack on all of the benches. Its that damn guys fault!
[quote]
IMO, exercise selection is the most important factor of training. If you want to gain weight, and you had to choose one exercise, it wouldn’t be curls. It would probably be squats or deadlifts.[/quote]
If you wanted big biceps you would do curls Most people would choose big arms over a muscle that isnt visible when ever your in public.
No its just that makeing progress is hard so they stick to easy excercises with instant rewards “pumps” bigger arms more defined abbs due to pumps…
[quote]This is why you’ll see 1-2 squat racks, 5-10 benches, and a bunch of machines to work your biceps, and abductors/adductors. Im not saying hanging leg raises aren’t useful, but cmon people, your not targeting your lower abs by doing these, and you dont need to do 20 minutes of hanging leg raises.
Im a minimalist when it comes to training, which means, i believe the quickest most efficient method to achieving a goal is the best path. This is why you’ll pretty much never see me doing lat pulldowns or curls.[/quote]
The only things you know come from reading. People who have had the time to figureout what works best for them usualy use a split routine. Famus bodybuilders world record powerlifters and so on.
[quote]Its pretty common knowledge that sticking with the compounds:
Squat
Deadlift
Bench
Clean
Snatch
Rows
Pullups
etc.
Is the best way to train.[/quote]
But thank you for reminding everyone.
Bullshit! Everyone knows that 10sets of pulldown and abbs is more effective than probably the best compound movements for building muscle known to man.
Bro… I can barley do triceps after a few sets of shoulder press, it is imposible to hit everything hard in 20-30 minutes.
Gotta remember man not everyone knows as much as you, you bad ass.
[quote]dankid wrote:
i really hate seeing huge guys in the gym[/quote]
Why don’t you start training at Planet Fitness?
[quote]BWBurner wrote:
if i did it probably would have ended up in a fight. it has nothin to do with being small or giving out feminine vibes. I wasn’t about to get my membership revoked along with a possible assault charge just because a couple of 15 year olds won’t get the fuck out of my way.[/quote]
Here is what I am trying to say: If you look like you lift and carry yourself a certain way, you don’t have to fight. The “15 year olds” will just naturally get out of the way. This is a basic law of the jungle. Again, while I am not a huge guy, and I almost made someone cry after he pulled a stunt like that on me. I just made it very clear to him that the rack was in use and that I had stepped away to drink water. I didn’t need to get managment to move him. If I had needed management’s help, I would have went home in shame.
A couple of “15 year olds” took over your squat rack. You did not give off enough of a vibe that let them know this wasn’t OK. That’s not a good thing.
5’7" and 175 (assuming you are not fat or lying) is a good size. This tells me your attitude is way too passive. Maybe you’re OK with that. It’s your life to live - not mine. But you should be self-aware enough to realize that when kids feel it’s acceptable to jack your shit, something is very wrong.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
dankid wrote:
i really hate seeing huge guys in the gym
Why don’t you start training at Planet Fitness? [/quote]
Comment of the week/month/year?
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
BWBurner wrote:
if i did it probably would have ended up in a fight. it has nothin to do with being small or giving out feminine vibes. I wasn’t about to get my membership revoked along with a possible assault charge just because a couple of 15 year olds won’t get the fuck out of my way.
Here is what I am trying to say: If you look like you lift and carry yourself a certain way, you don’t have to fight. The “15 year olds” will just naturally get out of the way. This is a basic law of the jungle. Again, while I am not a huge guy, and I almost made someone cry after he pulled a stunt like that on me. I just made it very clear to him that the rack was in use and that I had stepped away to drink water. I didn’t need to get managment to move him. If I had needed management’s help, I would have went home in shame.
A couple of “15 year olds” took over your squat rack. You did not give off enough of a vibe that let them know this wasn’t OK. That’s not a good thing.
5’7" and 175 (assuming you are not fat or lying) is a good size. This tells me your attitude is way too passive. Maybe you’re OK with that. It’s your life to live - not mine. But you should be self-aware enough to realize that when kids feel it’s acceptable to jack your shit, something is very wrong.[/quote]
i dunno though, kids these days have no respect. Even though he could take both of them, and he was right, theyd probably have guns, or get like 10 of their friends to jump him. theres a time for being a man, and theres a time to cover your ass. beating up some 15 yo’s cause they stole ur rack is a sure way to go to jail. you did the right thing.
[quote]dankid wrote:
Well you guys have your opinions about alternate grip, and I will always feel that you should TRAIN with same grip, and possibly when doing your final work sets use some straps. Forearms are always peoples weak area, and using the alternate grip just brings this feature out more in my opinion.
Sorry if this wasn’t the best rant ever, but these are some different things i have noticed. Everyone has opinions, and i really hate seeing huge guys in the gym, that are most likely huge because of genetics, and everyone looks at them as role models. This is why people started curling in the squat rack in the first place. They saw one guy with huge biceps curling some rediculous weight, and then they decided that squat rack curls were the only way to build big biceps.
IMO, exercise selection is the most important factor of training. If you want to gain weight, and you had to choose one exercise, it wouldn’t be curls. It would probably be squats or deadlifts.
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Alternate grip is stupid you say? Tell that to any powerlifter, hell any serious bodybuilder. Exercise selection means shit to most bodybuilders, when it’s compared to intensity, that’s the real factor in a routine. If you see any “genetically gifted big guy” you’ll notice how intense they get during their sessions. Stop sucking off the TBT guys, compounds have their place, but nothing works without intensity.
P.S. you’re a badarse muthafucka
As for me learning everything from books, thats not entirely true, but hey, thats what books are for.
And people keep saying, “you shouldnt be talking, at 5’11” and only 180lbs." thats just rediculous logic.
Since im planning to be a strength coach and not an athlete, i’d rather be small and have a ton of knowledge and experience, than to be huge and not have a clue what im doing.
Your making a big mistake if you judge people’s expertiese based on looks. This phenomenon is what has led to so much damn ignorance about fitness. Take a skinny person with a six pack that does 1000 crunches a day, and then youve got 50 others trying to emulate them.
The reason i like this site over many of the others, is that the author’s here aren’t scared to use “unconventional” methods.
The days of unrealistic bb’ing routines from FLEX magazine are over, at least for me they are.
Think what you will of me, but remember, im not a bodybuilder, and this site has had a significant impact on making me the way i am now.
Not that it’s impossible, but you will have a lot more credibility as a Strength Coach if you look the part.
Also you seem to be totally ignoring the point of him pointing out your size, which is that you are dogging on some big dudes(2 in your starting rant) and what they are doing when clearly it is working.
You know what is truly the coolest thing about this sites authors? They write blatantly contradictory programs sometimes, and still give each other props. They recognize that if something works, consistently, it’s probably worth noting a bit and not ragging on it.
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
dankid wrote:
i really hate seeing huge guys in the gym
Why don’t you start training at Planet Fitness? [/quote]
Zing!!!
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
dankid wrote:
And about the alternate grip deadlifts. I guess there could be some debate on these, but ive read that this greatly increases the chance of you straining your biceps. Also, alternate grip is easier to hold making it less work for your forearms. IMO its up there with using straps, which I feel should only be used on the heaviest sets.
You are really showing everyone how ignorant and weak you are. If you are not using an alternate grip for dead lifts, you are not dead lifting very much weight. Period.
It’s one thing to be ignorant and to ask: “Why do guys use an alternate-grip when dead lifting?” It’s in a whole other ball park to get all superior when you see someone using an alternate grip dead lift. This is how everyone does it.
Maybe someone who suffers fools better than I will explain to you why people use an alternate-grip when dead lifting. I’m all for helping out newbies. But you’re so convinced of your own superiority that I don’t think you can be helped.[/quote]
Diddo. And straps aren’t allowed in PL’ing meets- mixed grip is.
Can somebody make this clear for me.
Hanging leg raises does nothing for your abs?
Curls are not the best bicep exercises?
The only routine we should do is squats, deadlifts, pull ups, rows and snatches for the rest of our lives?
The bodybuilders of yesteryear had no clue what they were doing and only had big huge muscles everywhere because they were genetic freaks?
Deadlifting with the same grip will big huge tree trunk forearms, compared to sissies who use alternate grip?
We should use benches for barbell curls?
The majority of gym goers who know what they are doing are under 200lbs and stronger than the big guys because they can do 15 pullups?