Studies Show Unvaccinated Children Healthier

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
You’re going to argue biology against a guy who does it as his career? Ok, it’s your (academic) funeral.[/quote]

So people who practice “biology” cannot be incorrect?

Opening with an appeal to authority is a bold move.

I don’t agree with either the science behind vaccines nor do I believe anyone has the right to force them into people.

Can I not use both arguments since they are both relevant to my case against them?

I think more “conspiracy theories” should be more closely examined. So what?

[quote]The symptoms do NOT = the disease. I can get flu like symptoms from a regular cold, or more than a dozen other NOT INFLUENZA VIRUS illnesses or problems.
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I DON’T WANT THE SYMPTOMS which is why I don’t want the flu in the first place!

“Sir, please hold still. In order for us to keep you from getting sick we are going to inject you with something that will make you feel sick but you won’t actually be.”

Bahahahahahahahhaahahahahaha!

Yeah, right![/quote]

I never said a guy who practices biology can’t be incorrect. That happens all the time. I am implying your argument against the science is ill-founded and shite and it is this way because you are going up against a guy who has spent the last 10+ years delving into biology in a way you can’t even fathom. For that matter, so have I. I am a researcher as well.

You cannot use the line about forcing people to get vaccines because NOBODY DOES. The reason there are unvaccinated people in this country in the first place is precisely because NOBODY IS FORCING THEM TO BECOME VACCINATED. If there were widescale compulsory vaccination you might have a point, as we live in a republic that values freedom of choice. There is not. Therefore you argument is irrelevant to what is being discussed.

And again, no, what you said was not “i don’t want the symptoms” you implicitly equated the symptoms with the actual virus in your first post. This is false. It is demonstrably false. ActivitiesGuy told you why it was false. I told you why it was false. The fact that you don’t want the symptoms–and who would?–doesn’t make your actual original statement any less false.

You are not arguing against his opinion, you are arguing against 50+ years of thousands of researchers and you’re doing it in shite fashion. Saying “I don’t believe the science behind vaccines” is the stupidest fucking thing I can imagine. Don’t like the flu shot? Fine, you’re not likely to die of it. What about smallpox, yellow fever, typhoid? Those things are eradicated because of vaccines. Summarily stating “I don’t agree with the science behind vaccines” and not even bothering to back up any of your arguments with any scientific reasoning at all as to why the science is wrong is the dumbest fucking method of arguing biology I’ve ever heard of. It is precisely why the anti-vax crowd gets shit on, and legitimately so.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If you’re going to summarily claim something about the science of vaccines being wrong and not support it with science I’m going to call you a fucking retard because I live science, research biochemistry, every day. This is the equivalent to calling Isaac Newton’s 3 laws out and then saying “just cuz”. On the other hand, if you’re just going to say you don’t want the flu shot because you don’t want the symptoms, then I’m just going to say 'fine, do your thing ’ because that’s a choice. Those two things are not the same position.

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I’m just here to say that quantum mechanics is a bunch of fucking bullshit. I don’t agree with any of it. The only Planck Time I care about is on ab day.

Fuck science! I’m out!

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I don’t agree with either the science behind vaccines
[/quote]

Based off of what?[/quote]

Lol, this should be rich.

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This is my issue with vaccines.

Common substances found in vaccines include:
Aluminum gels or salts of aluminum which are added as adjuvants to help the vaccine stimulate a better response. Adjuvants help promote an earlier, more potent response, and more persistent immune response to the vaccine.

Antibiotics which are added to some vaccines to prevent the growth of germs (bacteria) during production and storage of the vaccine. No vaccine produced in the United States contains penicillin.

Egg protein is found in influenza and yellow fever vaccines, which are prepared using chicken eggs. Ordinarily, persons who are able to eat eggs or egg products safely can receive these vaccines.

Formaldehyde is used to inactivate bacterial products for toxoid vaccines, (these are vaccines that use an inactive bacterial toxin to produce immunity.) It is also used to kill unwanted viruses and bacteria that might contaminate the vaccine during production. Most formaldehyde is removed from the vaccine before it is packaged.

Monosodium glutamate (MSG) and 2-phenoxy-ethanol which are used as stabilizers in a few vaccines to help the vaccine remain unchanged when the vaccine is exposed to heat, light, acidity, or humidity.

Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative that is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose to prevent contamination and growth of potentially harmful bacteria.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I don’t agree with either the science behind vaccines
[/quote]

Based off of what?[/quote]

Lol, this should be rich. [/quote]

See, the frustrating thing is that the answer is usually something along the lines of “I believe that our natural immunity can…”

Tell it to the millions of people that died in the 1918 Spanish influenza epidemic. I’m sure they’ll be very comforted to know that their natural immunity will do the job.

The problem with this whole vaccine/anti-vaccine discussion is that anti-vaccine people bury ther head in te sand and scream lalalalalalala I can’t hear you when presented with the REAL science. They bring up their own pseudo-science (basically, the post that starte this thread) and then, when it’s explained why the pseudoscience is wrong (like, my first five or six posts in this thread) they retreat to ther original position of “I don’t believe the science behind vaccines.”

As though a ten-fold to thousand-fold decline in the rate of vaccine-preventable diseases isn’t real enough “science” for them.

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[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I don’t agree with either the science behind vaccines
[/quote]

Based off of what?[/quote]

Lol, this should be rich. [/quote]

See, the frustrating thing is that the answer is usually something along the lines of “I believe that our natural immunity can…”

Tell it to the millions of people that died in the 1918 Spanish influenza epidemic. I’m sure they’ll be very comforted to know that their natural immunity will do the job.

The problem with this whole vaccine/anti-vaccine discussion is that anti-vaccine people bury ther head in te sand and scream lalalalalalala I can’t hear you when presented with the REAL science. They bring up their own pseudo-science (basically, the post that starte this thread) and then, when it’s explained why the pseudoscience is wrong (like, my first five or six posts in this thread) they retreat to ther original position of “I don’t believe the science behind vaccines.”

As though a ten-fold to thousand-fold decline in the rate of vaccine-preventable diseases isn’t real enough “science” for them.[/quote]

Lol, ya I hear you. It’s like the people that wash 3 large pizza’s down with a diet Coke. It’s like, “Really, you think that diet Coke makes a difference???”

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Aragon, I am on a road trip today and posting from my phone at rest stops. Can you handle Davinci’s post above? Like explaining that you are exposed to higher levels of those “toxins” in daily life than the levels present in a vaccine? You get more mercury from a can of tuna fish than from a vaccine.

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I was hoping you’d say that. Ingestion of toxins are absorbed at a ridiculously small percentage with respect to the amount that actually passes into our blood. What percent do you think reaches our blood when injected? Pretty easy math.

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Aluminum for example:

“Dr. Perl and Dr. Greger said that under normal circumstances the body is well adapted to protect itself against the daily barrage of aluminum in the environment. “It is poorly absorbed and what little is absorbed is excreted almost immediately,” Dr. Perl said. One estimate is that .1 percent to 1 percent of aluminum in the diet is absorbed.”

0.1%-1% is absorbed, so your argument is invalid. Please just focus on getting to your destination safely and not “handling” my post.

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[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:
I was hoping you’d say that. Ingestion of toxins are absorbed at a ridiculously small percentage with respect to the amount that actually passes into our blood. What percent do you think reaches our blood when injected? Pretty easy math.[/quote]

Small pox wiped out entire population centers and killed 300-500 million people in the 20th century before it was eradicated in 1967. How many people did the vaccine kill again?

Insert a sourced number for me and let’s do some math.

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:
I was hoping you’d say that. Ingestion of toxins are absorbed at a ridiculously small percentage with respect to the amount that actually passes into our blood. What percent do you think reaches our blood when injected? Pretty easy math.[/quote]

Small pox wiped out entire population centers and killed 300-500 million people in the 20th century before it was eradicated in 1967. How many people did the vaccine kill again?

Insert a sourced number for me and let’s do some math. [/quote]

You’re putting words in my mouth. Where did I argue that I was against the small pox vaccine? I simply stated that my issue with vaccines were the ingredients. You’re jumping to conclusions so quickly, are you experiencing cognitive dissonance?

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Again, a classic anti-vax argument: list the scary-sounding ingredients in vaccines.

How many infants die each year from vaccine toxicity?

Now compare that number to the number that died or were crippled by measles or polio pre-vax.

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[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
Again, a classic anti-vax argument: list the scary-sounding ingredients in vaccines.

How many infants die each year from vaccine toxicity?

Now compare that number to the number that died or were crippled by measles or polio pre-vax.[/quote]

Way to side step.

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[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:

This is my issue with vaccines.

Common substances found in vaccines include:
Aluminum gels or salts of aluminum which are added as adjuvants to help the vaccine stimulate a better response. Adjuvants help promote an earlier, more potent response, and more persistent immune response to the vaccine.

Antibiotics which are added to some vaccines to prevent the growth of germs (bacteria) during production and storage of the vaccine. No vaccine produced in the United States contains penicillin.

Egg protein is found in influenza and yellow fever vaccines, which are prepared using chicken eggs. Ordinarily, persons who are able to eat eggs or egg products safely can receive these vaccines.

Formaldehyde is used to inactivate bacterial products for toxoid vaccines, (these are vaccines that use an inactive bacterial toxin to produce immunity.) It is also used to kill unwanted viruses and bacteria that might contaminate the vaccine during production. Most formaldehyde is removed from the vaccine before it is packaged.

Monosodium glutamate (MSG) and 2-phenoxy-ethanol which are used as stabilizers in a few vaccines to help the vaccine remain unchanged when the vaccine is exposed to heat, light, acidity, or humidity.

Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative that is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose to prevent contamination and growth of potentially harmful bacteria.[/quote]

Don’t forget dihydrogen monoxide.

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Dihydrogen Monoxide, the most anabolic compound known to man. They can keep the water in my vaccines.

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[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:

[quote]ActivitiesGuy wrote:
Again, a classic anti-vax argument: list the scary-sounding ingredients in vaccines.

How many infants die each year from vaccine toxicity?

Now compare that number to the number that died or were crippled by measles or polio pre-vax.[/quote]

Way to side step.[/quote]

It’s not a side step. It’s risk v reward.

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Some of the posters in here have the patience of a saint…

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Thoughts?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Some of the posters in here have the patience of a saint…[/quote]

Lol. I am clearly not among those saints. Although I hope I may be some day

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[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:
I was hoping you’d say that. Ingestion of toxins are absorbed at a ridiculously small percentage with respect to the amount that actually passes into our blood. What percent do you think reaches our blood when injected? Pretty easy math.[/quote]

Small pox wiped out entire population centers and killed 300-500 million people in the 20th century before it was eradicated in 1967. How many people did the vaccine kill again?

Insert a sourced number for me and let’s do some math. [/quote]

You’re putting words in my mouth. Where did I argue that I was against the small pox vaccine? I simply stated that my issue with vaccines were the ingredients. You’re jumping to conclusions so quickly, are you experiencing cognitive dissonance?
[/quote]

Ok. My bad. What is your argument? You have an “issue” but I’m not sure what your argument is. I shouldn’t have to guess.