Machine:
Burgers and fries will work pretty well. But I’d scratch the ice cream. Maybe throw down some cream-filled donuts if you’re not keen on cheesecake.
Kong, feel free to throw any questions my way during your contest prep. As far as the week before the week details go, I’ll post on that a bit later.
J, Timbo has it right on the timing of the diuretic. And again, I’ll reinforce the fact that you should be water ‘loading’ right now.
Thanks Thunder! This is great. There is an In-and-Out Burger joint right next to a Krispy Kreme Donut joint. Convenient.
I imagine scratching the ice cream has to do with its fluid/water content. Am I right?
Machine,
Ice cream just tends to bloat so many people. There seems to be too many digestive issues with ice cream.
This might be coming late, but I just recently came back to T-mag after a week long absence.
Anyways, I wanna share an experience with you guys. Before a fight in November (don’t know if you guys remember but I had to get down to 141lbs at a weight of 152lbs and already at 5%BF) anyways, I did it by getting down to 3%BF then basically starving myself, but consuming carbs and nothing else, the night before the fight I hit the steam room and got down to about 140lbs. After weigh in, by myself as to eat like an idiot and no coach to criticize me I hit up the local Ryan’s Steakhouse, I ate nothing but steak and chicken stir fry. I followed that up with cornbread and honey and almost about puked, and yes this was about five hours before my fight. Anyways, about thirty minutes after leaving the Joint and going back to the hotel room I took a cold shower to help keep me up and and motivated. When I walked out I had my veins just blowing up everywhere and my feet and hands looked as if they were the control center for blood flow as they looked anarexic but with huge freakin veins.
Basically, this lasted the whole night until my next feeding then I began to look bloated. But my point is that I did not have to prep for days or eat a certain way to really activate the vascular gene, all I did was starve then hit the buffet up. I had little resemblence of muscle at that time, but after the buffet I looked like a tiny, skinny, thin LEE PRIEST!
Da Boxer
p.s. all that food took me back up to about 154lbs. by the next morning!
First, you weren’t 3 percent … no one is or has ever been, contrary to what anyone might read in the magazines.
Second, the whole purpose of this isn’t about being vascular. It’s about being full and dry. Veins don’t win shows. Many shredded bodybuilders STILL areb’t very vascular.
The next day after someone competes and after a night of feasting they wake up covered in veins, VERY FULL, but NOT as separated and dry.
Okay, so it’s Monday morning, 90 minutes before my photos. This would be 30 minutes after my 9am meal, assuming I eat my first meal at 6am and take pictures at 11am. Do I have this right?
Thunder, how much honey should be consumed and when? Is jam and honey good together or is it one or the other?
Also, Timbo or Thunder, if you could give some strategies on the “pump up” that would be most helpful. I don’t have too much equipment outside where I’m taking pictures but have a bench, Ez-bar, kbell, and plate loaded dumbbells. Any ideas?
Thunder, my dogg, no need to put up any disclaimers, bro! We made it rather clear at the onset of this thread that being shredded to the gills was part of the criteria for having this scheme work optimally for the individual.
That being said, Thunder, what kind of recommendations would you offer for those models or trainees that have a shoot or just want to look his/her best at the beach on a specific day? Something more along the lines of the recs proposed earlier for Char-Dawg? Something more along the lines of the classical method of depleting and loading?
Boxer, it’s nice to have you back…I think? Just kidding. While you say that the moral of the story is that you did no specific prep work for your fight/binge, I beg to differ. You were completely depleted going into that fiasco–just like all these competitors and models are–and that’s why your response was the same.
Machine…Let’s map this bad-boy out.
6am–Meal one at McDonald’s. Take along your own Reese’s PB Cups.
9am–Chicken, cashews and yams. Not too much, though.
9:15am–2 tbsp of sugar-full jam
9:45am–2 tbsp of sugar-full jam
10:15am–2 tbsp of sugar-full jam
10:45am–2 tbsp of sugar-full jam; Time to pump up! [More to come]
Machine…In regards to the pumping up, if you’ve got or have access to Pumping Iron, I think that’s your best bet, bro.
If not, then you’ve got plenty of tools with which to work. You’re not looking to do any max sets or anything. Just get the blood flowing into your muscles. Don’t mess with your legs, though. Heck, you could probably get away with some pushups, dips, chins, towel pulls and the like.
whats up, dogs?
I have a photo shoot (Tv commercial) comming on, but besides looking good i also have to perform realy well on that day. (I do Capoeira, and have to fly around for the cameras…)
Getting there all dehydrated, all dry, sounds like a bad idea. Any thoughts on that, Thunder?
Thanx in advance. Tant.
BTW, I’m 6-7% bf, you can have a look at the photo forum, browse to the earlier threads, though.
Tant,
First off, congrats! That’s very excellent, and I wish you only the best in this and your future endeavors.
Your question is very interesting and does throw a monkey wrench in the plan, per se, similar to those who shoot for more than a single day.
I await Thunder’s counsel on this issue, but my own suggestion would probably continuing taking the herbal diuretic and sipping water on an as needed basis. That said, I can’t imagine that the hormones have shifted dramatically in the opposite direction at this point, but real experience (i.e. Thunder) will be necessary for proper guidelines.
Thanx, Timbo.
What about a deplation workout? Should i forget about it altogether, or maybe do a modified, less extreme work of some kind?
Timbo
For a model of someone looking good for the beach, you can get away with a more modest approach.
I’d still deplete (low carbs) and would probably then just do Day 2 of the carb up.
Another option I’ve used is to simply deplete all the way to the water cut. Fat load starting 3 hrs later for the rest of the night.
Continue for the first meal the next day.
That would be it. Of course, this all depends on how lean and depleted one is.
Thunder,
That’s solid advice, man! Makes sense, too. There are obviously differences (major too) pending on one’s current physique and the purpose for using such techniques.
It’s quite clear to me that the aforementioned thread primarily details methods in which one–that is extremely lean, mind you–will be as full as me on Thanksgiving day as well as dry as a bone! Not something that could likely be carried on for several days or during demanding exercise or work.
5 star thread. Excellent!
Regardless of what you think Machine, I actually got measured at 3.7% with a 7 site caliper test. I have no reason to lie it helps me out none, so watch the insult. (Accusing me of lying is considered one in my book!)
True, about the veins and their involvement in vascularity and competing visuals. Oops!! Just trying to lend my experiences.
Da Boxer
Oops, machine wrong person! I meant Thunder!
Thunder, when the reading was taken, I was very carb depleted, dehydrated, when the pinches were taken the taker would squeeze very tight then let it relax. I am also known as someone who has thin skin. 3.7% is the measurement that was given, I remember a few sites came out as 2.
Da Boxer
Machine, I’m sure the calipers did tell you as you say, but I can assure you that you weren’t truly 3%, that’s all I’m saying. It’s not a slam on you.
I’ve worked with numerous competitors in remarkable condition – fully striated glutes and all, and even they aren’t 3%. Maybe on calipers, but not in reality. It cannot be achieved.
Either way, that’s neither here nor there.
Thunder & Timbo, maybe one of you guys could offer me some advice on things I can do prior to shooting which will bring out muscles more. I will be doing a shoot, which will last three days, each day is 10hrs. Long, and I dont feel comfortable doing a depletion and a load with that many hours to shoot. With that said I am going back to my regular eating habits, and doing whatever it takes to get ripped based on that. Now I know there maybe somethings I can do prior to shooting that might help, but wont be so drastic. My normal breakfast is oats an apple, and a shake, should I still eat this, before shooting. Or are there better options that might be less watery, but at the same time nutricious? Thanks guys any feedback is greatly appreciated
Just bumping a great (but old) thread.
STU