[quote]wressler125 wrote:
I see grip being a bigger issue for most people than posterior chain strength. [/quote]
Taken from the rules of STA2. Does this mean wrist straps? Seems to contradict the point of using an axle.
Do you know of any comps on the west coast, specifically northers CA? Or websites to check out?
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
I know there will be a late fee, but is it too late to send in my app? Anyone know anything I dont? I didnt see a deadline on the site, but one of you might know.
That, and what is an axle deadlift? Is it just a regular deadlift with a thickbar? Is it any higher off the ground than a deadlift with regular 45’s on each side?
It’s a DL on a thick bar with truck tires, so it’ll be about 6 in. higher than a normal DL. And I’ve never been to a show where people were openly made fun of, especially since you’re a teen (if I remember right from your PM’s). Go, get your feet wet, have a good day, and listen to just about everything people tell you, b/c you’ll learn a ton!!!
[quote]wressler125 wrote:
kroc30 wrote:
I’ll probably be the baldest, palest Irish guy in the LW’s!!!
I’ll give you baldest, but I’m positive Ill be the palest Irish lw.
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Wressler - We’ll have to have a side competition!!! Besides my freckles, I’m pretty much white as paper right now, though.
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
wressler125 wrote:
I see grip being a bigger issue for most people than posterior chain strength.
Taken from the rules of STA2. Does this mean wrist straps? Seems to contradict the point of using an axle.[/quote]
It is a little contradictory, but a strap company is one of the sponsers, so I guess the dl fit in best out of the events for them. But what the hell, if a strap saves my grip for one or two more reps, then I’ll use them since they’re allowed.
Cali - Go to nastrongman.com and click on competitions, then upcoming competitions. Everything that’s been approved to date is up there.
I’m in.
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
wressler125 wrote:
I see grip being a bigger issue for most people than posterior chain strength.
Taken from the rules of STA2. Does this mean wrist straps? Seems to contradict the point of using an axle.[/quote]
There’s a lot of weird things about this contest, not just the straps allowed on the axle deadlift event.
Good luck to those competing!
[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
There’s a lot of weird things about this contest, not just the straps allowed on the axle deadlift event.
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Ha… like what?
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
There’s a lot of weird things about this contest, not just the straps allowed on the axle deadlift event.
Ha… like what?[/quote]
Two heavy pressing events, though if I remember right, I’ve been to other shows that also had it.
[quote]kroc30 wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
There’s a lot of weird things about this contest, not just the straps allowed on the axle deadlift event.
Ha… like what?
Two heavy pressing events, though if I remember right, I’ve been to other shows that also had it.[/quote]
I’m not going to name names, but I have talked with some experienced people in the sport who have said the events were poorly chosen, especially for such a big contest. It has been suggested to me that part of the reason was to cater to their own lifters, but that is just a theory so I cannot be sure.
3 static events (2 press, 1 deadlift) doesn’t make for an exciting contest to spectators, and I read that was the goal of this contest, to get media attention for the women I believe. Also, an arguably dangerous event in the “chain yoke” could present problems.
Personally, I don’t like how such a big contest doesn’t even have any traditional strongman events such as farmers or tire flip or stones or the list goes on.
[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
kroc30 wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
There’s a lot of weird things about this contest, not just the straps allowed on the axle deadlift event.
Ha… like what?
Two heavy pressing events, though if I remember right, I’ve been to other shows that also had it.
I’m not going to name names, but I have talked with some experienced people in the sport who have said the events were poorly chosen, especially for such a big contest. It has been suggested to me that part of the reason was to cater to their own lifters, but that is just a theory so I cannot be sure.
3 static events (2 press, 1 deadlift) doesn’t make for an exciting contest to spectators, and I read that was the goal of this contest, to get media attention for the women I believe. Also, an arguably dangerous event in the “chain yoke” could present problems.
Personally, I don’t like how such a big contest doesn’t even have any traditional strongman events such as farmers or tire flip or stones or the list goes on.[/quote]
It’s definitely not true that the events were chosen to cater to certain lifters. The only guy who consistently trains there is Big Tom McClure, and he’s a pro, so he wont be competing.
Yeah, the straps will help with grip so the axle wont test that as much, but the thomas inch db medley has 2.5" handles that will test the grip.
There are three events that don’t involve a race, and whether or not that makes for an unexciting contest is a matter of personal taste, but I’d point out that not many strongman contests have 3 movement-based events, let alone 4 or more. The last contest I did was Murph’s show, that was stones, viking, conans, deadlift and a tire/farmers/hussafell medley. Unless you consider conans to be a “movement” event (which if you count walking around in a circle as movement, then you have to count the inch db medley at STA II as a movement event) there’s still 3 static events. The event you ran had farmers and the yoke/tire medley, but there was also the log, deadlift and stones. 3 static events.
The goal wasn’t to get the women promoted, the event was already being planned and organized when the producers approached Dionne who suggested this particular show.
The chain yoke is no more dangerous than any other strongman event. I’ve done it, and I’ve done everything from wobbling, walking unsteadily all the way up to dumping the bar off my back - hard. But that’s the thing, if you’re in a bad situation as soon as the plates touch the ground their stabilized all the weight is taken off and all you have is a 15 lb bar on your back. If I get screwed up from the yoke in 3 weeks it’ll be because I was an uncoordinated moron who tripped over his own two feet and fell.
You said your personal taste is for traditional strongman events. That’s fine, this is America, and you’re entitled to your opinion. But I happen to LIKE the fact that these include some “non-traditional” events, both for variety and the added challenge of training for something new. If you want a show with stones and farmers, Ben Lambousis is having his Battle of the Bad Ass the very next month, may 27. How boring would it be for ny/ct area strongmen if the two shows in their area so chronologically close to one another were basically carbon copies? Furthermore, I think one think that peopel are attracted to in strongman is the lack of standardized events. If you enter ANY random full PL meet you know you’ll squat, bench and dl. If you enter a random strongman, you dont know what you’ll get.
I’d also point out that this contest was chosen to the be the LW wildcard. I think it speaks pretty highly of the promoters that this show was chosen to be the ONE chance this year (outside of nat’ls) for LWs to get their pro card.
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
kroc30 wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
There’s a lot of weird things about this contest, not just the straps allowed on the axle deadlift event.
Ha… like what?
Two heavy pressing events, though if I remember right, I’ve been to other shows that also had it.
I’m not going to name names, but I have talked with some experienced people in the sport who have said the events were poorly chosen, especially for such a big contest. It has been suggested to me that part of the reason was to cater to their own lifters, but that is just a theory so I cannot be sure.
3 static events (2 press, 1 deadlift) doesn’t make for an exciting contest to spectators, and I read that was the goal of this contest, to get media attention for the women I believe. Also, an arguably dangerous event in the “chain yoke” could present problems.
Personally, I don’t like how such a big contest doesn’t even have any traditional strongman events such as farmers or tire flip or stones or the list goes on.
It’s definitely not true that the events were chosen to cater to certain lifters. The only guy who consistently trains there is Big Tom McClure, and he’s a pro, so he wont be competing.[/quote]
As I said, it was just a theory pointed out to me. So yeah it could very well be not true.
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Yeah, the straps will help with grip so the axle wont test that as much, but the thomas inch db medley has 2.5" handles that will test the grip.[/quote]
In my opinion, if you have an axle, you don’t have straps. Otherwise just use a regular bar. I agree though, that the inch db medley will test the grip as well, if by grip you mean hand size, b/c it doesn’t test static grip strength.
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There are three events that don’t involve a race, and whether or not that makes for an unexciting contest is a matter of personal taste, but I’d point out that not many strongman contests have 3 movement-based events, let alone 4 or more. [/quote]
Exactly, personal opinion. It is my opinion from a spectator’s viewpoint that it won’t be exciting. I could be wrong. I did talk with someone who competed in last year’s CT contest and I remember him telling me the 18" deadlift took forever and they had to cut out an event. He said it was “boring”. Fortunately they are changing it to a max reps so its likely it will run faster. It must be tough when you have so many competitors.
Stones do not count as a “static event” mostly b/c it is the #1 event people like to see. It is a crowd pleaser. So my contest had 2 static events. The deadlift actually turned out to be very exciting because the fans gathered around and we had bars loaded and people going with very little time in between. It is just my opinion that for a larger sized contest it would be easier and possibly more exciting to have more “race” style events, especially since this is going to be an event covered by media. If you look how WSM has changed the style of events over the past few years, you’d learn they agree with me, there are more and more moving style events. In contrast, the Arnold expo is more about static strength.
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The goal wasn’t to get the women promoted, the event was already being planned and organized when the producers approached Dionne who suggested this particular show.[/quote]
My mistake, I just remember reading something about that on Anvil about trying to get a lot of women to do this contest.
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The chain yoke is no more dangerous than any other strongman event. [/quote]
Agree to disagree.
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You said your personal taste is for traditional strongman events. That’s fine, this is America, and you’re entitled to your opinion.[/quote]
Apparently not, since someone who read this thread contacted NAS about me saying I am “trashing” the contest and its promoters, which is far from the truth. I’m allowed to have a differing opinion I feel. I’m not trying to discourage people from doing this contest nor do I have anything bad to say about its promoters, since I don’t know them. On the contrary, I hope everyone who competes in this show has fun and sticks with the sport.
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I’d also point out that this contest was chosen to the be the LW wildcard. I think it speaks pretty highly of the promoters that this show was chosen to be the ONE chance this year (outside of nat’ls) for LWs to get their pro card. [/quote]
Theres is more than just ONE chance this year outside of nationals. I don’t get what you’re saying.
Again, I don’t have anything against the promoters. So I agree, it speaks “highly” of them. Obviously they are doing something right since they have put on some big shows. What makes you think that I don’t think that? In fact, I think it’s awesome they have managed to attact so many athletes to their contest. This is what the sport of strongman needs, GROWTH!
I wasn’t aware that too many people even read this board that do strongman. I am surprised someone found out about my post THE VERY SAME DAY, and decided to contact NAS saying I was bad mouthing the contest. That is ridiculous I’m sorry. I really wasn’t trying to do that so it is unfortunate it was taken the wrong way.
Hello all, and very nice forum. I should also point out that I hate posting on forums, but I just felt this was a neccesity since I saw my name mentioned more than once.
“I’m not going to name names, but I have talked with some experienced people in the sport who have said the events were poorly chosen, especially for such a big contest. It has been suggested to me that part of the reason was to cater to their own lifters, but that is just a theory so I cannot be sure.”
Mentioning the idea that someone else with experience said the events are poorly chosen, and catering to their lifters is slamming a contest. Maybe it is your choice of words that you used.
Also, it is impolite, disrespectful to your “experienced friends” to quote on a public forum what they told you. People will assume who your experienced friends are just by association. That is not fair to them to put them in a position to defend what they said. Also, it is very unprofessional, uncooth to negatively discuss another promoter when you are one as well. It really puts a negative spin on the sport of strongman, which hurts everyone.
“Personally, I don’t like how such a big contest doesn’t even have any traditional strongman events such as farmers or tire flip or stones or the list goes on.”
You are definitely entitled to your opinion. But again as a promoter yourself, it is definitely uncordial (if that is a word) to openly discuss things of that nature. It hurts many people involved such as athletes, promoters, NAS, and the sport. Trust me, I have to preview over 60 contests a year. There are many events, weights, etc. that I donot agree with, but I choose not to partake in them, or if I mention it to them, I certaintly do not blast it for the world to see. Scott, keep in mind that there are many different avenues of people, businesses, etc. that read the forums. Many of those people are sponsors or potential sponsors. If they sense that we as promoters can’t keep it together and work together with out slamming each other on a public forum, then what is the benefit for them to sponsor anything involving the sport.
I was not at your contest, but I heard some great things as well as somethings that could be improved on. The same as with our contests that we personally host. We all can make improvements, but this sport can really grow to greater avenues if we as promoters promote each other. Sometimes being silent is all that is needed. I appreciate all of our promoters for what you all have done for NAS. Without all of you, we would still be in a backyard across America picking up heavy stuff trying to impress our neighbors sitting in their lawn chairs cheering us on. Anyway, I am off of my tangent and back to work. Thanks for reading, and I hope you did not fall asleep in the process. Oh and if there are errors, I did not proof read.
BEST!
Dione
Dione, I’m going to call you later today. Thanks for posting. I’m sorry a lot of how I wrote what I did was taken the wrong way. I guess that is one problem with online forums. I’ll be more careful next time as I certaintly don’t want to deter people from competing in a sport I love.
Talk to you soon!
Seems like MAchineAZ is trippn over his words now.Especially when “Big Boss Lady” steps in,huh,HA.Don’t tell me that things were taken the wrong way dude.I’ve seen your post on a couple different places and somehow you always have something negative to say.
From originally getting in an online argument with the STA2 show promoters(hence the chain yoke)to telling people here that the events are being catered towards local people.
I mean come on guy we’ve all gotta stick together for the sport.
I do post on a few forums, Anvil, Marunde, and here. I’m not sure how you can say I “always have something negative to say”. Please show me where, don’t just say this without proof.
This is the first time I’ve discussed the CT contest outside of Anvil. On Anvil, it was not my intent to get into argument with the promoters, just to present a differing opinion. Morevoer, that situation was handled with Dione and I through emails and she didn’t see anything wrong with what I said in those threads. In fact, she said “I thought
the posts on the Anvil were amusing” in one email. She was concerned b/c she had 3 people contact her via email saying I was bad mouthing the contest, which I still feel I did not do on Anvil. But, we handled that already so no need to bring it up again.
I am not “tripping” over my own words. I am admitting that it was wrong for me to post the way I did b/c it obviously caused people to get upset enough to call Dione. I’m allowed to have a differing opinion, I suppose I should have remained silent here, as Dione said.
I do agree that we should stick together for the sport and that is why I said I will be more careful with how I word things online.
So chill out Lou.
[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
kroc30 wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
MachineAZ wrote:
There’s a lot of weird things about this contest, not just the straps allowed on the axle deadlift event.
Ha… like what?
Two heavy pressing events, though if I remember right, I’ve been to other shows that also had it.
I’m not going to name names, but I have talked with some experienced people in the sport who have said the events were poorly chosen, especially for such a big contest. It has been suggested to me that part of the reason was to cater to their own lifters, but that is just a theory so I cannot be sure.
3 static events (2 press, 1 deadlift) doesn’t make for an exciting contest to spectators, and I read that was the goal of this contest, to get media attention for the women I believe. Also, an arguably dangerous event in the “chain yoke” could present problems.
Personally, I don’t like how such a big contest doesn’t even have any traditional strongman events such as farmers or tire flip or stones or the list goes on.[/quote]
I actually can’t wait to try that chain yoke. The harder the better. Bottom line is that every show is set up differently, and that’s one of the good things about strongman, and one of the things it’s supposed to be all about. As for gearing the show for competitors, Machine, I’ve gotta disagree also. April, and Ben L. for that matter, have some of the best reputations for running some of the fairest shows out there. Otherwise, they wouldn’t get the levels of shows that they do.
kroc, i agree and like how there are so many different events at different contests. i think it can expose weaknesses so it forces you to be become a well-rounded strength athlete.
we can agree to disagree about the chain yoke. i have done it before in training and did not like it so that is just my opinion. i have talked with others who feel the same way, but i know there are plenty of people who had no problem with a chain yoke. i just hope nobody gets hurt on it.
also, i have heard good things about CT and NY shows so i’m sure the rumor i heard (can’t even remember where now) was untrue. shouldn’t have mentioned it in the first place.
good luck at the contest man!
Hey MachineAZ I don’t know you from the next person walking on the street but what I do know is that we’re both competive strongmen.So I have alot mutual respect and admiration for you.
True I shouldn’t have said you post negatively w/o evidence cause I ain’t gona sit here and find your post.But I’m also not just gonna make something like that up.If you knew me than you would know I wouldn’t do that.I’m just calling it like I see it.
As far as arguing with STA2 promoters and such I remember reading the post and saying to myself why are people actually arguing back and forth about someting like this.I mean I know your a promoter and run your own shows.And obviously felt differently.Regardless of how it was settled outside of the forums it’s just something that stands out in my mind of who was arguing.
Let me just as a fellow competitor say I really appreciate everyone involved in the sport and know one day our paths will cross.I mean I know we’re probably be competing right along side each other and know I have a mutual respect for anyone I compete aganist.
Regardless of how yuou feel towards me stay strong,healthy and safe.
[quote]MachineAZ wrote:
kroc, i agree and like how there are so many different events at different contests. i think it can expose weaknesses so it forces you to be become a well-rounded strength athlete.
we can agree to disagree about the chain yoke. i have done it before in training and did not like it so that is just my opinion. i have talked with others who feel the same way, but i know there are plenty of people who had no problem with a chain yoke. i just hope nobody gets hurt on it.
also, i have heard good things about CT and NY shows so i’m sure the rumor i heard (can’t even remember where now) was untrue. shouldn’t have mentioned it in the first place.
good luck at the contest man![/quote]
Thanks, man. When are you on the east coast again???