lol i had a feeling that wrah was a troll all along. its a shame these idiots are spreading even as far as olympic lifting forums now
Some new user names appearing. Maybe some very scared people thought it would be a safer to make a new handle to call out the bringer of truth?
omg look at this Wrah troll, join date Oct 2007. so obvi. obvi troll is obvi.
Calling someone else an obvious troll over and over might be a sign of reflection and passive aggressive behaviour.
uh, what?
ok will let thread die now.
holy crap. if i wanted to get better at deadlift i’d listen to this dude:
[quote]alexus wrote:
holy crap. if i wanted to get better at deadlift i’d listen to this dude:
Why? he’s obviously an amateur deadlifter.
What size are those plates? 45lbs?
How much weight is he lifting? Are those 45lbs? He looks like hes going to poo.[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Just looking for an excuse to post this awesomeness again. One of the greatest lifts ever.[/quote]
I believe those are 100 pound plates, but its 1015 pounds all together.
So how much can today’s weightlifters strict press?
russians press ridiculous amounts of weight, chigishev was reported to do easy 5x140 in training hall, Klokov power clean+press 157k…
can’t don’t know where to find the video on youtube but some Russian dude (105 class I think) did a 170kg press. jesus.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
can’t don’t know where to find the video on youtube but some Russian dude (105 class I think) did a 170kg press. jesus.[/quote]
A 157 kg press – let alone a 170 kg press – is nothing to sneeze at. But to put things in a bit of perspective, Leonid Zhabotinsky pressed 187.5 kg in 1964 in Tokyo, and Yuri Vlasov pressed 197.5 kg. I don’t know what they weighed exactly, they were competing in the 90+ kg class. Later Zhabotinsky competed in the 110 kg class, so probably was not too far away from 105 kg. Vlasov remained a super-heavy.
I couldn’t find international results for the press before its elimination in 1972, but I know they were staggering.
I did find what looks like THE definitive article on the history of the press, why it was dropped, and what the possible consequences were: the decline of OWL and the rise of bodybuilding and powerlifting. The elimination of the press made upper body size and strength less important in OWL, but those two things were precisely what attracted most young men to the sport. Here is the link:
http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/JSH/JSH2001/JSH2803/JSH2803d.pdf
[quote]Ajax wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
can’t don’t know where to find the video on youtube but some Russian dude (105 class I think) did a 170kg press. jesus.[/quote]
A 157 kg press – let alone a 170 kg press – is nothing to sneeze at. But to put things in a bit of perspective, Leonid Zhabotinsky pressed 187.5 kg in 1964 in Tokyo, and Yuri Vlasov pressed 197.5 kg. I don’t know what they weighed exactly, they were competing in the 90+ kg class. Later Zhabotinsky competed in the 110 kg class, so probably was not too far away from 105 kg. Vlasov remained a super-heavy.
I couldn’t find international results for the press before its elimination in 1972, but I know they were staggering.
I did find what looks like THE definitive article on the history of the press, why it was dropped, and what the possible consequences were: the decline of OWL and the rise of bodybuilding and powerlifting. The elimination of the press made upper body size and strength less important in OWL, but those two things were precisely what attracted most young men to the sport. Here is the link:
http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/JSH/JSH2001/JSH2803/JSH2803d.pdf[/quote]
The 157kg press Klokov did was a helluva lot stricter than any of the presses I’ve seen in old videos of the clean and press. Just saying.
[quote]TheJonty wrote:
[quote]Ajax wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
can’t don’t know where to find the video on youtube but some Russian dude (105 class I think) did a 170kg press. jesus.[/quote]
A 157 kg press – let alone a 170 kg press – is nothing to sneeze at. But to put things in a bit of perspective, Leonid Zhabotinsky pressed 187.5 kg in 1964 in Tokyo, and Yuri Vlasov pressed 197.5 kg. I don’t know what they weighed exactly, they were competing in the 90+ kg class. Later Zhabotinsky competed in the 110 kg class, so probably was not too far away from 105 kg. Vlasov remained a super-heavy.
I couldn’t find international results for the press before its elimination in 1972, but I know they were staggering.
I did find what looks like THE definitive article on the history of the press, why it was dropped, and what the possible consequences were: the decline of OWL and the rise of bodybuilding and powerlifting. The elimination of the press made upper body size and strength less important in OWL, but those two things were precisely what attracted most young men to the sport. Here is the link:
http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/JSH/JSH2001/JSH2803/JSH2803d.pdf[/quote]
The 157kg press Klokov did was a helluva lot stricter than any of the presses I’ve seen in old videos of the clean and press. Just saying.[/quote]
Yes, stricter than most to be sure. How many kilos does looser or “better” technique get you in the press, I don’t know. How long would it take someone like Klokov to master the old pressing technique and improve his pressing strength such that he could add 20-30 kg, I don’t know. Most coaches agreed that the elimination of the press led to a decrease in the upper body mass and strength of weightlifters. Some thought this was good. Others, like Spassov from Bulgaria, argued that dropping the press contributed to an increase in shoulder injuries on the snatch. So I suppose there are two questions: 1) How much strength did weightlifters lose after dropping the press? The example of Klokov may suggest, not so much. 2) How long would it take today’s weightlifters to press as much as their predecessors some 40 years ago did?
And then I guess the third question, 3) Would powerlifters be at any advantage, at least initially?
I heard (for what it is worth which is probably not a lot) that the elimination of the press resulted in the ideal bodytype for a weightlifter changing. Not sure why that would be the case, though. short arms ftw!!! Something about the rise of the elastic strongman.