According to the site “Approximately 2% of the weight training population will attain this level.”
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I have the bench and the squat[/quote]
That’s pretty impressive. Especially considering you’ve only been training two years.
What about your other lifts?[/quote]
It wasn’t specified if the OH is supposed to strict or not, but I’ve strict pressed 225 a while ago. Deadlift was last tested at 555 two months ago. My squat is pretty damn close to that, so I’m going to feel pretty weird if I end up squatting more than I pull (I probably get a decent PR soon though). I don’t do cleans or snatches. My goals for the end of the year are a 600 squat, 450 bench, 650 deadlift @ 225-230. Raw with no wraps.
According to the site “Approximately 2% of the weight training population will attain this level.”
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Yes. I have elite in squat, about 10 pounds from elite in the press and the clean, and am between advanced and elite in the other big 3 at the moment according to these standards. I consider myself far from elite compared to “ELITE” 198 raw lifters. I have no idea what I can move in the power snatch, as I have never attempted it.
Edit
I misread the elite total for clean. I am just shy of experienced.
[quote]burt128 wrote:
The standards developed by Kilgore are low if you are looking at what constitutes elite for competitive powerlifters. If you are looking at what might constitute elite with respect to the entire group of adult males who lift weights, they seem like they are about right. For raw tested powerlifting, I agree that the 100% raw standards seem about right. 1630 at 242 (my weight class) is a pretty beastly raw total.[/quote]
Since when is a Raw Total Elite in the 242 weight class 1630?
Its usually 1607…[/quote]
Was talking about the 100% raw standards, which have 1630 as the elite total at 242.
to name a few, I hope he considers this elite level, not just strong[/quote]
The strength standards site does not account for steroids either, just equipment. The overwhelming amount of men hitting those (cited by you) numbers will be far heavier than their cardiovascular health and internal organs would like them to be, and set to experience a shortened life span unless they quit with steroids.
The “Strength Standards” site’s lifts (using the heaviest weight class available where tall people inevitably end up) are not that low if you take them to be natural lifts. A good half or more of those achieving them will be on gear.
According to the site “Approximately 2% of the weight training population will attain this level.”
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At the age of 21 in the 148lb weight class, by these standards I would be considered elite in the Big 3 lifts. Bench is 291 — I’ve hit 305 for 3 reps and have hit 325 touch and go. Squat is 410 which the last time I tested was 415. Deadlift is 507 and I’ve gotten 512.5
I think this thread being posted on a strength board, all of these standards will be considered low for anybody that’s has seen/competed in a couple of meets and run into guys who they usually don’t encounter on a daily basis aka the weight training populace.
Elite to me would be the likes of Joe Morrow or Richard Hawthorne who pulled 600x2 @ 132lbs bw. Elite should be that, the very top tier where only a handful of guys ever get to that level. To me, these seem like standards that were set by guys who were hovering around the “advanced” level and wanted to validate to themselves that they were strong. Like someone else said, if you’re strong you know it and others will constantly reinforce that notion. You shouldn’t have to try to validate it yourself.
According to the site “Approximately 2% of the weight training population will attain this level.”
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At the age of 21 in the 148lb weight class, by these standards I would be considered elite in the Big 3 lifts. Bench is 291 — I’ve hit 305 for 3 reps and have hit 325 touch and go. Squat is 410 which the last time I tested was 415. Deadlift is 507 and I’ve gotten 512.5
I think this thread being posted on a strength board, all of these standards will be considered low for anybody that’s has seen/competed in a couple of meets and run into guys who they usually don’t encounter on a daily basis aka the weight training populace.
Elite to me would be the likes of Joe Morrow or Richard Hawthorne who pulled 600x2 @ 132lbs bw. Elite should be that, the very top tier where only a handful of guys ever get to that level. To me, these seem like standards that were set by guys who were hovering around the “advanced” level and wanted to validate to themselves that they were strong. Like someone else said, if you’re strong you know it and others will constantly reinforce that notion. You shouldn’t have to try to validate it yourself.
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How’d the meet go btw? I never heard about it.
According to the site “Approximately 2% of the weight training population will attain this level.”
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At the age of 21 in the 148lb weight class, by these standards I would be considered elite in the Big 3 lifts. Bench is 291 — I’ve hit 305 for 3 reps and have hit 325 touch and go. Squat is 410 which the last time I tested was 415. Deadlift is 507 and I’ve gotten 512.5
I think this thread being posted on a strength board, all of these standards will be considered low for anybody that’s has seen/competed in a couple of meets and run into guys who they usually don’t encounter on a daily basis aka the weight training populace.
Elite to me would be the likes of Joe Morrow or Richard Hawthorne who pulled 600x2 @ 132lbs bw. Elite should be that, the very top tier where only a handful of guys ever get to that level. To me, these seem like standards that were set by guys who were hovering around the “advanced” level and wanted to validate to themselves that they were strong. Like someone else said, if you’re strong you know it and others will constantly reinforce that notion. You shouldn’t have to try to validate it yourself.
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How’d the meet go btw? I never heard about it.[/quote]
Since I didn’t prep for it I pulled 485 and tried on my 3rd lift for the first time ever, got 512.5 to my knees but my grip gave out. I was so pissed that I took 2 weeks off from deadlifting then went back and got it in the gym. ARGH!! I’m thinking about starting up video logs of my training on youtube and will hopefuly compete more often this year when I graduate from undergrad this spring. How’ the training going for you?
According to the site “Approximately 2% of the weight training population will attain this level.”
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At the age of 21 in the 148lb weight class, by these standards I would be considered elite in the Big 3 lifts. Bench is 291 — I’ve hit 305 for 3 reps and have hit 325 touch and go. Squat is 410 which the last time I tested was 415. Deadlift is 507 and I’ve gotten 512.5
I think this thread being posted on a strength board, all of these standards will be considered low for anybody that’s has seen/competed in a couple of meets and run into guys who they usually don’t encounter on a daily basis aka the weight training populace.
Elite to me would be the likes of Joe Morrow or Richard Hawthorne who pulled 600x2 @ 132lbs bw. Elite should be that, the very top tier where only a handful of guys ever get to that level. To me, these seem like standards that were set by guys who were hovering around the “advanced” level and wanted to validate to themselves that they were strong. Like someone else said, if you’re strong you know it and others will constantly reinforce that notion. You shouldn’t have to try to validate it yourself.
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How’d the meet go btw? I never heard about it.[/quote]
Since I didn’t prep for it I pulled 485 and tried on my 3rd lift for the first time ever, got 512.5 to my knees but my grip gave out. I was so pissed that I took 2 weeks off from deadlifting then went back and got it in the gym. ARGH!! I’m thinking about starting up video logs of my training on youtube and will hopefuly compete more often this year when I graduate from undergrad this spring. How’ the training going for you? [/quote]
Pretty good besides my lat injury. I have a log here if you’re interested. I’m prepping for a meet on March 24th right now. It’ll be my first meet.
I know this thread is old… But I think the best standards are the old russian ones!!! The ones with youth 2, youth 1, class III, II, I, CMS, MS and MSIC. Those numbers are pretty fair IMO. For example, as a 198 lifter I got 632.5kg/~1397 and that puts me just in the CMS category. These are 100% RAW btw… Nothing but a belt.
[quote]arramzy wrote:
I know this thread is old… But I think the best standards are the old russian ones!!! The ones with youth 2, youth 1, class III, II, I, CMS, MS and MSIC. Those numbers are pretty fair IMO. For example, as a 198 lifter I got 632.5kg/~1397 and that puts me just in the CMS category. These are 100% RAW btw… Nothing but a belt.[/quote]
[quote]arramzy wrote:
I know this thread is old… But I think the best standards are the old russian ones!!! The ones with youth 2, youth 1, class III, II, I, CMS, MS and MSIC. Those numbers are pretty fair IMO. For example, as a 198 lifter I got 632.5kg/~1397 and that puts me just in the CMS category. These are 100% RAW btw… Nothing but a belt.[/quote]
This is something I’m curious about. Why is it that when people talk about raw lifting, they type it in all caps. Is RAW some sort of acronym I am unaware of regarding lifting? I always thought it was simply the opposite of being geared, as in “you are lifting raw”.
[quote]arramzy wrote:
I know this thread is old… But I think the best standards are the old russian ones!!! The ones with youth 2, youth 1, class III, II, I, CMS, MS and MSIC. Those numbers are pretty fair IMO. For example, as a 198 lifter I got 632.5kg/~1397 and that puts me just in the CMS category. These are 100% RAW btw… Nothing but a belt.[/quote]
This is something I’m curious about. Why is it that when people talk about raw lifting, they type it in all caps. Is RAW some sort of acronym I am unaware of regarding lifting? I always thought it was simply the opposite of being geared, as in “you are lifting raw”.
What’s the deal?[/quote]
There’s a 100% RAW Federation so I think some people just started using the fed’s acronym as the designation for RAW. That’s my best guess
According to the site “Approximately 2% of the weight training population will attain this level.”
[/quote]
At the age of 21 in the 148lb weight class, by these standards I would be considered elite in the Big 3 lifts. Bench is 291 — I’ve hit 305 for 3 reps and have hit 325 touch and go. Squat is 410 which the last time I tested was 415. Deadlift is 507 and I’ve gotten 512.5
I think this thread being posted on a strength board, all of these standards will be considered low for anybody that’s has seen/competed in a couple of meets and run into guys who they usually don’t encounter on a daily basis aka the weight training populace.
Elite to me would be the likes of Joe Morrow or Richard Hawthorne who pulled 600x2 @ 132lbs bw. Elite should be that, the very top tier where only a handful of guys ever get to that level. To me, these seem like standards that were set by guys who were hovering around the “advanced” level and wanted to validate to themselves that they were strong. Like someone else said, if you’re strong you know it and others will constantly reinforce that notion. You shouldn’t have to try to validate it yourself.
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How’d the meet go btw? I never heard about it.[/quote]
Since I didn’t prep for it I pulled 485 and tried on my 3rd lift for the first time ever, got 512.5 to my knees but my grip gave out. I was so pissed that I took 2 weeks off from deadlifting then went back and got it in the gym. ARGH!! I’m thinking about starting up video logs of my training on youtube and will hopefuly compete more often this year when I graduate from undergrad this spring. How’ the training going for you? [/quote]
Pretty good besides my lat injury. I have a log here if you’re interested. I’m prepping for a meet on March 24th right now. It’ll be my first meet.
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Dude you will love it. The last one for me was mys first one I ever did and you will be shocked by how everyone just wants to see you succeed at your lifts - and you meet some pretty cool people. I’ll start checking out your log
[quote]arramzy wrote:
I know this thread is old… But I think the best standards are the old russian ones!!! The ones with youth 2, youth 1, class III, II, I, CMS, MS and MSIC. Those numbers are pretty fair IMO. For example, as a 198 lifter I got 632.5kg/~1397 and that puts me just in the CMS category. These are 100% RAW btw… Nothing but a belt.[/quote]
This is something I’m curious about. Why is it that when people talk about raw lifting, they type it in all caps. Is RAW some sort of acronym I am unaware of regarding lifting? I always thought it was simply the opposite of being geared, as in “you are lifting raw”.
What’s the deal?[/quote]
There’s a 100% RAW Federation so I think some people just started using the fed’s acronym as the designation for RAW. That’s my best guess[/quote]
When I look up the fed, it doesn’t seem like RAW is an acnronym. It seems as though it’s just all caps, as though you’re supposed to yell everytime you say it.
I think there’s a difference between being the ideal strength and being the ideal athlete. I prefer being the ideal athlete over being the ideal strength, personally. Some guys want to squat a grand. Nothing wrong with that, but I would prefer sacrificing some weight on my lifts if I could develop other portions of my athletics such as events, bodyweight movements, explosive movements, etc.
[quote]louiek wrote:
I think there’s a difference between being the ideal strength and being the ideal athlete. I prefer being the ideal athlete over being the ideal strength, personally. Some guys want to squat a grand. Nothing wrong with that, but I would prefer sacrificing some weight on my lifts if I could develop other portions of my athletics such as events, bodyweight movements, explosive movements, etc.[/quote]
You may have confused this for crossfit.com, but this is actually the T-Nation powerlifting forum. The layouts are similar, I can understand the confusion, but this is a forum dedicate to the pursuit of powerlifting.
[quote]arramzy wrote:
I know this thread is old… But I think the best standards are the old russian ones!!! The ones with youth 2, youth 1, class III, II, I, CMS, MS and MSIC. Those numbers are pretty fair IMO. For example, as a 198 lifter I got 632.5kg/~1397 and that puts me just in the CMS category. These are 100% RAW btw… Nothing but a belt.[/quote]
This is something I’m curious about. Why is it that when people talk about raw lifting, they type it in all caps. Is RAW some sort of acronym I am unaware of regarding lifting? I always thought it was simply the opposite of being geared, as in “you are lifting raw”.
What’s the deal?[/quote]
The primary federation is 100% RAW powerlifting federation, which is an acronym. It originally stood for Redeemed Among the World, the fed started out small with a bit of a Christian slant. A while back Paul Bossi took over the fed, kept the name but the dropped the acronym and just made it like a normal fed. One can certainly lift raw and it doesn’t need to be in caps, but if one is referring to that specific fed then it would be capitalized. Some people have taken that to think that raw must be capitalized all of the time.