[quote]thephantom wrote:
There is a definite correlation between size and strength, however, it can vary greatly from person to person. Variables such as food intake, recovery, genetics, and steroids can make a large difference. But to rep 405 cold takes some serious strength, and 6’ 230 lean is not exactly a small guy lol. Did he have large triceps to compensate for this apparent lack of chest? Big delts?[/quote]
No he looked very chest dominant. His arms were very average. Maybe 17 inch. Nothing special. He was wearing a tank top.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Gregus wrote:
I have seen guys come into the gym and go to 405 bench cold, and do it for 10-12 reps. No chest size at all.
Why, that’s nothing. I’ve seen guys come in the gym and bench 945 cold, with no chest size.
I just found this picture of some guy (Desmond Miller) who has no leg size at all.[/quote]
[quote]usctrojansfan wrote:
Gregus wrote:
Professor X wrote:
BigSeen wrote:
Strength = 4-5 reps
Hypertrophy = 8-10 Reps
Ridiculous. Who knew you could define how the human body gains muscle so accurately. It’s a good thing we have 09’ers to set us straight.
Don’t power lifters use a 1-3 or slightly more reps? Why do they do that and not 20 reps? Obviously because there is a certain formula that will work for most but not all people. Are you implying it’s all completely random?
Powerlifters don’t use 20 rep sets? You’re random. I honestly think you should politely ask this guy if you could document his performance for a “side project” and that you’re in big trouble if you don’t. Take the pics or video, link it up here and I get to see someone bench 405x12 for the first time in my life. Especially COLD with no BOOBS. [/quote]
Yes they can can do 20 reps but 80% of their training is not in that rep range.
[quote]JonEightPackGuy wrote:
MODOK wrote:
BigSeen wrote:
Strength and hypertrophy training are very different connected by a loose gray area. Some of the time big and strong do go together, but alot of the time “smaller” athletes can lift a shit load:
Being strong has more to do with innervation of motor units rather than cross sectional fiber size. Which is why some skinny guys can bench 405. It is also why sometimes a rather muscular person lifts less weight then he/she looks like they can. The hypertrophy is there, but their nervous system lacks the ability to fire in a way lift heavy shit.
Please post a video of a skinny guy benching 405.
And did you happen to notice the quads and ass on the guy on the video you posted? Looks pretty damn big to me.
he about 230lbs
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Right. At that strength level you’d expect a chest like Schwarzenegger. But he almost looks average. So if he benches 800 he can surely bang out reps with 405, even cold. Im not saying it’s good for the joints but he could.
So much angst in this thread, the original question isn’t a bad one but it’s poorly phrased and the story about a guy who’s 6 feet tall and ONLY weighs 230 is pretty silly and throwing this potentially interesting discussion way off track. As everyone who’s had anything intelligent to say in this thread has already pointed out, Size does = Strength, but no single formula or ratio is going to hold true for every single lifter. I just put 30 pounds on my bench, not because I got bigger but because I corrected a couple of mistakes I was making in my form and my pre-workout diet.
Also, each person’s physiology dictates a lot of what they can and can’t do so results vary widely from one person to the next but as a rule, if you have perfect form and solid nutrition the only way you’re getting stronger is going to involve you getting bigger as well, maybe a lot bigger for some, maybe just a little bit for others. You can’t confuse muscle shape with muscle size either, this imaginary 405x12 fella, depending on his specific muscle shape, insertion points etc, might have a large well developed chest that isn’t as impressive ‘looking’ as the smaller bodybuilder on the bench next to him doing 225 for reps.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
For what it’s worth…here’s me back in 1990… at 125 lbs.
I benched 250 back then, but would you ever guess this skinny dude could do even half that?[/quote]
[quote]Gregus wrote:
I agree that everyone who posts stupid shit will have a feeble mind. So as you grow dumber you grow more willing to post stupid shit. We all know that. But what about this: Do Ignorant Posts = Poor Cognitive Ability? I see alot of posters (like myself) with decent grammar and punctuation but the thought process does not match up. Why?
I have seen guys come into the forum and get flamed outright, and do it over and over. No brains at all. Yes his brain was functioning and all but no size. Clearly if he followed the notion of ignorant posts = poor cognitive ability, his mind should be very feeble. But he clearly has some brains.
The strange thing is that i noticed for all the guys who post they all post differently to get their results. For some it’s always stupid, for some it’s flaming, for some it’s trolling regardless of ability or creativity. One particular relevant poster said the best is to do completely avoid posting stupid shit.
But like i said they did it differently. They didn’t follow my lead. I guess it could be said that their posts come from using common sense. [/quote]
Aye, size is a result of training for VOLUME. PERIOD.
Strength is due to ligament conditioning, neurotropic development and parliamentary hypertrophy (sp?).
Volume confusion and tension extension = size. PERIOD.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
criminaldude wrote:
Aye, size is a result of training for VOLUME. PERIOD.
Strength is due to ligament conditioning, neurotropic development and parliamentary hypertrophy (sp?).
Volume confusion and tension extension = size. PERIOD.
Did you get into the fucking mushrooms or something? “Parliamentary hypertrophy”. Is that what how Gordon Brown and Margaret Thatcher get huge? Thats some hilarious shit right there.
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theres a lot of guys stronger than me who are smaller than me.
theres juniors in the 140 weight class deadlifting 600 pounds. shit is retarded.
you do need to be able to move decent weight for decent reps to get big though, that much is true. and then that will obviously convert to an overall greater strength. most 300 pound guys can deadlift 600 pounds. but they dont train to lift for a 1RM although im sure a guy who trains for a 1RM who weighs 300 pounds can DL a lot more than 600
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
For what it’s worth…here’s me back in 1990… at 125 lbs.
I benched 250 back then, but would you ever guess this skinny dude could do even half that?[/quote]
Pretty much every CHAMPION bodybuilder has been hella strong- Arnold, Ronnie, Yates, Levrone etc. Wheeler is one of the few exceptions I can think of.
I’m suprised that you can make 1000+ posts over 4 years on this site and not have a foundation level of knowledge in succesful bodybuilding. Research the above guys and you’ll learn something.
For what it’s worth to the OP, I too was once AMAZED at the strength of someone I considered “small”. His name was Walter Henning, and the dude was unreal.
I was 240 pounds at the time competing at the Dartmouth Relays in the High School division. I was throwing the shot in my flight when someone announced on the loud speaker that Walter Henning was about to throw.
He couldn’t have weighed a pound over 220 at 6 foot, he was white, and he looked all around an average athlete. Yet the people on the loud speaker continued to mention his national records.
He stepped up to the circle in nothing but spandex, wiped the circle with a towel thoroughly, then heaved the shot beyond the furthest line by around ten feet. He ended up throwing 63 feet easy. He was saving his energy for his best event.
When he threw the weight he was nothing but a blur, I didn’t think a human being could move that fast! They had to rearrange the throwing facility just so he wouldn’t hurt anyone! A typical throwers weight throw should be around five feet further than his shot throw. Walter threw the weight over 90 feet, smashing the old national record by over ten feet!
I would assume he can throw around some weight on the bench.
So this dude had 17" arms, you now say. That’s not too shabby lol. Not what I’d consider “small”. Smallish maybe, for benching 405x10, but not the original picture that you had painted.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Gregus wrote:
I have seen guys come into the gym and go to 405 bench cold, and do it for 10-12 reps. No chest size at all.
Why, that’s nothing. I’ve seen guys come in the gym and bench 945 cold, with no chest size.
I just found this picture of some guy (Desmond Miller) who has no leg size at all.[/quote]
