[quote]Cron391 wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Gregus wrote:
I have seen guys come into the gym and go to 405 bench cold, and do it for 10-12 reps. No chest size at all.
Why, that’s nothing. I’ve seen guys come in the gym and bench 945 cold, with no chest size.
Oh snap! You saw that too.[/quote]
Yeah, but I wasn’t really feeling strong that day. Didn’t want to overdo it by going straight to 1000. Did you see my final work set? I had to load up the Leg Press and bench the whole machine. Can’t wait til they start making 500lb plates. This is getting ridiculous.
[quote]Cron391 wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Gregus wrote:
I have seen guys come into the gym and go to 405 bench cold, and do it for 10-12 reps. No chest size at all.
Why, that’s nothing. I’ve seen guys come in the gym and bench 945 cold, with no chest size.
Oh snap! You saw that too.[/quote]
Yeah, but I wasn’t really feeling strong that day. Didn’t want to overdo it by going straight to 1000. Did you see my final work set? I had to load up the Leg Press and bench the whole machine. Can’t wait til they start making 500lb plates. This is getting ridiculous.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
JonEightPackGuy wrote:
I came thinking that OP would have some great intelligent info…
How old is OP anyways.
i came here for info too. I asked a question and this thread is what i got. Some posters gave good info though. Thanks.
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Ah well, it’s impossible to be big without hauling heavy ass weights.
Unless you have fucking god given genetics shit just ain’t gonna happen.
Yeah, some dudes are bigger, have alot of a belly and I am sure they have a chest you just can’t see it all under the fat and they can put up a good deal for their sizes but underlining their physic is tons of muscle tendons that have been strained and even if they appear to be leaned out you can bet your ass that they got some powerful knotted up muscles under that skin.
What exactly is the point of this thread anyways? OP is apparently aware that some lifters have better neural efficiency through training, and the reality of genetic differences in muscle belly length/size/insertion points, yet made a thread questioning how people can lift the same weight yet look different?
[quote]JonEightPackGuy wrote:
Gregus wrote:
JonEightPackGuy wrote:
I came thinking that OP would have some great intelligent info…
How old is OP anyways.
i came here for info too. I asked a question and this thread is what i got. Some posters gave good info though. Thanks.
Ah well, it’s impossible to be big without hauling heavy ass weights.
Unless you have fucking god given genetics shit just ain’t gonna happen.
Yeah, some dudes are bigger, have alot of a belly and I am sure they have a chest you just can’t see it all under the fat and they can put up a good deal for their sizes but underlining their physic is tons of muscle tendons that have been strained and even if they appear to be leaned out you can bet your ass that they got some powerful knotted up muscles under that skin.[/quote]
I was merely discussing how linear is the relationship between size and strength. Some professional BB train like Powerlifters and others go with medium to light weights.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
Cron391 wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Gregus wrote:
I have seen guys come into the gym and go to 405 bench cold, and do it for 10-12 reps. No chest size at all.
Why, that’s nothing. I’ve seen guys come in the gym and bench 945 cold, with no chest size.
Oh snap! You saw that too.
Yeah, but I wasn’t really feeling strong that day. Didn’t want to overdo it by going straight to 1000. Did you see my final work set? I had to load up the Leg Press and bench the whole machine. Can’t wait til they start making 500lb plates. This is getting ridiculous. :)[/quote]
Wait, does that mean that you don’t use the same weight for all sets?
Based on the videos I’ve seen, all bodybuilders use straight sets.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
Gregus wrote:
I have seen guys come into the gym and go to 405 bench cold, and do it for 10-12 reps. No chest size at all.
Why, that’s nothing. I’ve seen guys come in the gym and bench 945 cold, with no chest size.
I just found this picture of some guy (Desmond Miller) who has no leg size at all.
Ok lets make it simple, is the correlation in strength and size a 1:1 relationship?
Strength and hypertrophy training are very different connected by a loose gray area. Some of the time big and strong do go together, but alot of the time “smaller” athletes can lift a shit load:
Being strong has more to do with innervation of motor units rather than cross sectional fiber size. Which is why some skinny guys can bench 405. It is also why sometimes a rather muscular person lifts less weight then he/she looks like they can. The hypertrophy is there, but their nervous system lacks the ability to fire in a way lift heavy shit.
[quote]BigSeen wrote:
Strength and hypertrophy training are very different connected by a loose gray area. Some of the time big and strong do go together, but alot of the time “smaller” athletes can lift a shit load:
Being strong has more to do with innervation of motor units rather than cross sectional fiber size. Which is why some skinny guys can bench 405. It is also why sometimes a rather muscular person lifts less weight then he/she looks like they can. The hypertrophy is there, but their nervous system lacks the ability to fire in a way lift heavy shit.
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That’s a good answer. Thanks. So that means that higher reps do build muscles and influence the hypertrophy process more then low reps with more weight? if im understanding you correctly then there is no real answer as it lies in the individual?
[quote]MODOK wrote:
BigSeen wrote:
Strength and hypertrophy training are very different connected by a loose gray area. Some of the time big and strong do go together, but alot of the time “smaller” athletes can lift a shit load:
Being strong has more to do with innervation of motor units rather than cross sectional fiber size. Which is why some skinny guys can bench 405. It is also why sometimes a rather muscular person lifts less weight then he/she looks like they can. The hypertrophy is there, but their nervous system lacks the ability to fire in a way lift heavy shit.
Please post a video of a skinny guy benching 405.
And did you happen to notice the quads and ass on the guy on the video you posted? Looks pretty damn big to me.
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but quads and ass don’t bench. I know it contributes to overall body power and all but still.
Are you asking that question because you feel it’s impossible?
Ridiculous. Who knew you could define how the human body gains muscle so accurately. It’s a good thing we have 09’ers to set us straight.[/quote]
Don’t power lifters use a 1-3 or slightly more reps? Why do they do that and not 20 reps? Obviously because there is a certain formula that will work for most but not all people. Are you implying it’s all completely random?
[quote]MODOK wrote:
BigSeen wrote:
Strength and hypertrophy training are very different connected by a loose gray area. Some of the time big and strong do go together, but alot of the time “smaller” athletes can lift a shit load:
Being strong has more to do with innervation of motor units rather than cross sectional fiber size. Which is why some skinny guys can bench 405. It is also why sometimes a rather muscular person lifts less weight then he/she looks like they can. The hypertrophy is there, but their nervous system lacks the ability to fire in a way lift heavy shit.
Please post a video of a skinny guy benching 405.
And did you happen to notice the quads and ass on the guy on the video you posted? Looks pretty damn big to me.
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[quote]Gregus wrote:
Professor X wrote:
BigSeen wrote:
Strength = 4-5 reps
Hypertrophy = 8-10 Reps
Ridiculous. Who knew you could define how the human body gains muscle so accurately. It’s a good thing we have 09’ers to set us straight.
Don’t power lifters use a 1-3 or slightly more reps? Why do they do that and not 20 reps? Obviously because there is a certain formula that will work for most but not all people. Are you implying it’s all completely random?
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Seriously what is the point of you prodding this further? This bullshit where people come over to the BB forum and insinuate that big guys aren’t as strong as small guys is dumb as fuck. You clearly have an idea of what you are talking about, yet you sit there and ask entrapping questions that you know the answer to, because you want someone here to appease you and tell you that big huge bodybuilders at the olympia are all show and no go.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
I agree that everyone with a 400lbs bench will have a muscular chest. So as you grow stronger you grow larger. We all know that. But what about this: Does Size = Strength? I see alot of lifters with very good size and muscularity but the strength does not match up. Why?
I have seen guys come into the gym and go to 405 bench cold, and do it for 10-12 reps. No chest size at all. Yes his chest was outlined and all but no size. Clearly if he followed the notion of strength = size, his chest should be very muscular. But his chest and arms are not.
The strange thing is that i noticed for all the guys who train they all train differently to get their results. For some it’s always heavy, for some it’s volume, for some it’s intensity regardless of light or heavy weights. One particular large muscular individual said the best is to do completely different exercises each session, or always change the order.
But like i said they did it differently. They didn’t follow any routine. I guess it could be said their routine is in not having one. [/quote]
Honestly man, there were a few large collegiate football players in the gym yesterday benching 315 for 3-5 reps. Big dudes, not lean like bodybuilders, but they certainly didn’t start pushing that weight around by being small…
There is a definite correlation between size and strength, however, it can vary greatly from person to person. Variables such as food intake, recovery, genetics, and steroids can make a large difference. But to rep 405 cold takes some serious strength, and 6’ 230 lean is not exactly a small guy lol. Did he have large triceps to compensate for this apparent lack of chest? Big delts?
[quote]red04 wrote:
Gregus wrote:
Professor X wrote:
BigSeen wrote:
Strength = 4-5 reps
Hypertrophy = 8-10 Reps
Ridiculous. Who knew you could define how the human body gains muscle so accurately. It’s a good thing we have 09’ers to set us straight.
Don’t power lifters use a 1-3 or slightly more reps? Why do they do that and not 20 reps? Obviously because there is a certain formula that will work for most but not all people. Are you implying it’s all completely random?
Seriously what is the point of you prodding this further? This bullshit where people come over to the BB forum and insinuate that big guys aren’t as strong as small guys is dumb as fuck. You clearly have an idea of what you are talking about, yet you sit there and ask entrapping questions that you know the answer to, because you want someone here to appease you and tell you that big huge bodybuilders at the olympia are all show and no go.
Get the fuck out, please.[/quote]
Assumption FAIL.
I like BB and don’t care about big weights. Some BB lift Huge weights ( Coleman ) others train light ( Flex, Vince Taylor ). You misunderstood me i think.
