Strength dropping 4 weeks off Tren

I ran Tren E 150mg and Test E 250mg for 20 weeks. Afterwards I started a cut on a cruise at Test 400 250mg.

4 weeks off Tren I look GREAT but this week my strength DROPPED and I feel WEAK, I was wondering if I should increase my calories?

My TDEE is 3000 (I was maingaining at 3200 on cycle). Now I am eating 2500 calories and dropped 10 pounds in 10 weeks (aiming to lose 1lb a week).

EDIT: This is expected as @meastlake1 pointed out since Tren signficantly increased strength while on cycle, so coming off you will see a decrease in strength.

Right now I am focusing on lifting as heavy as I can and increasing protein.

Side Note: I had no bad side effects from Tren while on cycle.

I’m just gonna summon @blshaw and @s.gentz.

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Please clarify if you’re 4 weeks of the Test/Tren and into the cruise or 4 weeks off everything.

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You stopped taking Tren…which is one of the most powerful AAS in existence and is known for dramatic strength increases. That is the reason. You cannot expect to hold onto a lot of the strength gained while running Tren. Much of that is due to it’s Anabolic/androgenic profile. Test, as the “standard”, is approximately 100/100…..Tren is more like 500/500.
Just keep your protein intake high, say, 1.5g per lb. of bodyweight, spread throughout the day, and make sure you stay consistent with your lifting, continue to train as heavy as you can, BUT while maintaining good form (don’t slop the weight around with body english), and well, you retain what you retain. Not much more you can do.

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@meastlake1 has you covered here.
This is pretty basic knowledge. If you are unsure of how anabolics work you prob should not be using drugs in the first place.
I can also say that 20 weeks of tren is very irresponsible as it is terrible on your cardiovascular system. You may want to get some bloods pulled.
Also, why do you have lean beef patty as your avatar? Let’s see a pic of what you have achieved with this cycle.

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Can you quantify your strength loss, by exercise, strength at end of Tren cycle, and strength at this time?

I prefer an upper body compound press exercise as your gauge.

Also, what is your goal?

Thank you! I think I am going to have to deload and start from ground zero again after my blast.

Thanks, I could normally do 75lbs dumbell military press each hand for 6 reps for 3 top sets, now I can barely lift 50lbs for 6 reps for 3 reps. The strength decrease happened very fast in the third week of being off Tren E. I guess it’s because the half life takes a couple weeks to clear your system.

Yes! 4 weeks off Tren/Test. Now cruising on 250mg of Test 400.

I don’t honestly think you should be losing a ton then. Yes as @meastlake1 stated, Tren is much more anabolic but you’re still running more than normal Test doses. Also Tren isn’t a great mass builder compared to its cousin Nandrolone and most Tren gains are pretty solid. Frankly I would expect a slow loss but never go right into a cut after a building phase.

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I prefer bulking on a blast and cutting on a cruise, it gives me better results and the look I am going for. When I cut down to 10-12% bodyfat is when I wanna blast again to 15% bodyfat.

blast → build mass → cruise cut → lean out → blast again.

I agree with this strategy but you don’t just jump from one to the other. New size needs some time to marinate

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You want newly added muscle to become your new “set point.” If you diet immediately after your bulk, the new muscle is just a peak, which will try to descend to its previous “set point.”

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What was your strength on dumbbell military press before you started the Tren cycle?

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Good question.

While I typically agree with most of your posts/advice @blshaw , for Tren I wouldn’t necessarily say I “disagree”, but perhaps it affects people differently. For instance, as I said above, Tren added a good deal of strength when I took it a few times to experiment in the offseason, but once I removed it, while I was still taking high doses of Test/EQ, I lost a pretty significant amount of strength. While on, and this is offseason mind you, I was up to doing 405 on barbell incline for 8 clean reps, but when I remove it [Tren A], I was back down to 3 plates and a quarter plate for reps. When I attempted 405, I could barely do 1 maybe 2 reps, and struggling. Maybe it was just me, but my strength loss was noticeable.

Although now that I think about it, 99% of the time I really only took Tren A during my 10-12 weeks of dieting before a contest, and that was to try and maintain my strength levels for training purposes since I was in such a caloric, and carbohydrate, reduced state. It also helped keep my aggression up for intense training, it really noticeable also hardened my muscles and brought out more striations, etc. It’s super high anabolic properties were helpful for increased nitrogen retention/protein synthesis while in a greatly reduced caloric state as well.

Again, for the record, that compound is SO hard on your organs, blood pressure, your mental state, tren cough, night sweats, etc that it really is not worth all the risk, ESPECIALLY for gym rats looking to make gains. You can do just as well with your basic Test, Deca, EQ, Dianabol, with much less harm done to your body.
Any of you out there taking AAS, I highly recommend you test your blood pressure often, on/off whenever, I only started really paying attention to my general health a few years ago, after passing 40, and I have high BP and I’m on Lotrel 10/40 now. My doc really laid out what high BP does to your heart, and ESPECIALLY your kidneys, and it’s very, very bad. In addition, I got a calcium score heart test around Thanksgiving and my score was in the hundreds…look it up, that is not good. So, went to cardiologist last Fri and had echocardio gram, cartoid test (thank god results were clean, only slight enlargement of my LV, but doc said it’s pretty common in athletes, but abusing AAS for too long, too high a dose can greatly enlarge it, then you end up like RIch Piani). THIS Friday i do a stress test and a vascular test!!! So yeah, all the shit you are doing when you are younger, you WILL feel some effects when you are older, and the more abusive you are, the shorter your lifespan. Luckily, I do cardio several times a week, lift 4-5 days a week, eat very clean/little red meat, cycled on and off instead of staying on forever, so I didn’t do much damage, thank god. But I highly recommend everyone on here who reads this go get these tests done. Most good insurance will cover 100% of these costs, mine does, United Healthcare.

SOrry for the long post but man, when you’re young you think you’re invincible, and that taking all these AAS to get a jacked as possible is cool and all, but you are doing damage to your body that WILL come back to bite you in the ass. I’m not saying to NOT take AAS, but if you do, back the doses down, cycle on and off appropriately, check your BP and GET ON MEDS if high (my doc said that most men that carried a high amount of lean muscle had high BP), and go to your doc 3-4 times a year for bloodwork and checkups. It’s MUCH easier to fix things if you catch them early, like I”m doing now, but the longer problems persist, the more they fuck your body up. Think about what I’ve said.

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Honestly this is my bad. In my haste my mind said “size” whereas he clearly stated “strength”. My response was improperly directed. Tren is great for strength gains and yes I’m not surprised.

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I thought I would’ve been rude if I initially asked that.

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Yeah was weird. Dudes falking about taking drugs and I catch the avatar and it just looked like a feminine body so first thing I thought is this is a female taking all this gear. What a wreck. Then I pull in the image and see what looks like and insta tag or something.
Weird is you ask me.

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