A friend of mine is a youth baseball coach. 10-11 year olds. His focus is on the kids
improving their individual BB skils, not necessarily on winning. He is very good and I
respect his approach. When I mentioned the
Renegade training and Coach Davies, his eyes lit up. He immediately ask about any specific
things he could use on kids that age to help with their quickness and to improve other physical abilities that would relate to baseball.
Coach Davies, do you have any recommendations I
could pass along to him?
Thanks
dp
first the athletes in question are young pre-pubescent and my concern is more of a general fitness level but with recognition of specialized work. Baseball is one of those sports that is in the virtual infancy of sport conditioning. Let me know what I can do. In faith, Coach Davies
I know it was not aimned at me but I have to say some things, have them PLAY THE GAME!! sport specific? there is NO such thing. for arm strength have them long toss after they are warmed up, have them realy strech out their arms as they long toss, DO NOT let them take bp w/a heavier bat than they use everyday, it WILL destoy their swing. when it comes to sprints have them concentrate on shoter distances like 40’s. if you have ANY questions about conditioning for baseball PLEASE ask.I WILL HELP.With all due respect to all others on the forum I believe I know more about baseball and training for it than ANY of the others on this forum. ask and I WILL help, I will also recomend the correct books.
you’re a joke - get a life. Yes we all know you’re an expert at everything. Natey, do yourself a favor and email Coach Davies directly and leave this ego freak to himself.
had to say it again - you are one messed-up dude who must not get NO REPSPECT out of this forum. Oh yeah, “I know baseball” - you’ll probably feel like a big man when you read this, so realize I wont bother reading it because you are lame and will be spouting your stupid crap. Coach D offers to help and your ego can’t handle it. - sad bro’ real sad - I hope you find some PEACE in your life.
get him into the olympic lifts. They are helpful for just about every run of the mill sport (except water ones, and gymnastics).
I have no prob w/coach d, I don’t even have a prob w/you. I do know how to train for basball. I don’t realy care what you think. let me guess you would have them practice olympic lifts right? do you have ANY idea what that will do to their rotator cuff’s? (this is not a debate on olympic lifts being good or bad, but for baseball the ARE bad, they create LARGE imbalances, but I’m sure you knew that)I will not comment on training for almost all other sports, have you ever seen me chime in on the baskerball or football questions? but one thing I DO know about is baseball. oh, you can’t handle that I guess. peace anyway
heytey, lets get some evidence here. OLing can actually improve rotator health as most people don’t get enough external rotation. Pitchers in particular get way TOO much internal rotation and THATs generally why the get bad rotators. FACT: Olympic lifts may be the best way to improve explosive speed. The poster asked to “help with their quickness and to improve other physical abilities that would relate to baseball.” Baseball is generally not regarded as the most athletic of sports, but at the very least there is considerable jumping and running involved.
I need to say the atititude on these posts is starting to get to common. DP, I know your intentions are good but I don’t want any part of this - so I am out of this post as well. However, if I might interject - these are 10-11 years old, teach them to love sport and the training they do is fundamental development as it pertains to motor skills of a child. It would be a pleasure to help and can be reached privately. I thank your time and remain in faith, Coach Davies
baseball is the highest skill sport there is period. no other sport involves the level of skill. it is NOT a fact that olympic lifting will improve quickness. rotators are NOT injured because of rotator weekness they are injured because of muscle imbalances in the deltoid itself. they are injured dureing DE-CELERATION, the deltoids themselves do not have the strength to decelerate the arm.so the rotator has to try and do it which it can NOT. please, I have suffered the injury and I have rehabed the injury. I am not acting smarter than anyone, in this subject I just know of what I speek. I did not want to post how the rotator tears, I wanted to see if anyone else giveing advice knew how it happens.also if you try to mimic a skill on the level w/baseball thru wt.training you will destroy that skill. you need to strength train independent of your skill training for baseball. the higher the level of skill in any sport the more detrimental it is to try and “simulate” the skill thru wt.training. peace
i am gonna pull outta this thread too… heytey, you have yet to mention any evidence supporting anything you say, anecdotal or otherwise…
hetyey225, you said"baseball is the highest skill sport there is period."
Well, I guess you never played competive Ice hockey…In ice hockey one has to
master 2 sports in one… First, one has to be an expert ice skater; this requires a
superior level of skill!..Then there is the hockey aspect of the sport:(shooting the
slapshot, snapshot, wristshot, backhander)…Passing: pinpoint accuracy, touch,
the ability to anticipate where your teammate and opponent will be before they
do… Then there’s the mental “chess game” on ice… Lastly, the brute force and violence
one has to be able to deal with…(Yes, there is violence in hockey!) …Don’t get me
wrong, I love baseball and realize that it’s a game played with a round bat and a round ball,
and you have to “hit it square!”…Always, I respect your opinions thru out the forum, even
when I don’t agree with them…As an ex-hockey player (not pro), this is just how “I see
it”…I guess we don’t see things as THEY ARE but as WE ARE…Peace!..(Joey Z.)
joe z, I must say as I’m sure everyone is I am most familiar with sports I have played,and no, I have not played hockey. my point about baseball, and I can not say if its true of hockey, is that you will never find a major leage player that has not been playing baseball since they were young children (4-5yrs old), it is simply not a sport that you can become proficient at if you start at an older age , the skill level is to high, in football and basketball I can name ALLPRO ans ALLSTAR athletes that did not play their sports untill HIGH SCHOOL (see my point?) hell, denis rodman never played basketball until he was in COLLEGE. as a former baseball player I just can not see any other sport involving the level of skill baseball does, I’m sure you feel the same way about hockey, but realy I would like to know if it is similar, have hockey players made it into the NHL without playing from a very young age?peace hetyey225
Not that anyone needs help fighting their own battles…But hetyy225 is right on he whole rotator cuff issue. Eccentric contraction in the external rotators in the follow through are generally the culprit.
As far as hockey vs. baseball, I’ve played both competitively and can’t begin to compare the sports on skill level. I will say this though, they are very cerebral sports. Equal in their demand on an athlete.
Now with everyone bailing on the thread, everyone thank Jorge – THANKS JORGE!
hetyey225, Beautiful point about starting age!..The average starting age of NHL
pros is between 3-5…Most Canadiens and northern Europeans learn to skate before
they can walk!..(no kidding.)…I played street hockey at age 4 but didn’t learn to skate
until age 8, and didn’t play ice hockey untill age 10…That’s why I never made it to the
“SHOW.”…Thanks for your prompt, intelligent reply…(Joey Z.)
in defense of hetyey. Soviet’s did not introduce olympic weightlifting to children until they were between the ages of 10-11. so the kids are at the right age, but, this is after they spent years developing motor skills through participation in other sports. so olympic weightlifting can be valuable, but the children probably need more motor skill work before they can begin the OLift. with the batting thing. Well Charlie francis reccomended never doing a simulated movement w/ more than a 20% difference in conditions that are encountered in sport (the bat can not be more than 20% heavier). Also Siff and Verkoshansky point out that slow rehersal of sporting movements with light and heavy weights rresult in adaptations which may be detrimental to the athlete. Basically you are teaching the athlete to perform said movement slowly. this is the opposite of what is needed. I kinda like a combo of coach davies and hetyey’s responses, I’m sure the gpp is safe and will improve coordination. Avoid OLing until their motor pattern improve AND you have a qualified instructor who can teach them properly
Hey Joey, hockey is hard because you have to ice skate, but in baseball you got nothing to work with. Guys with less talent can play hockey, guys like Pecca can just haul ass and cause shit, but in baseball you live and die by your swing/arm. Great speed and agility are good, but that only helps in base running and feilding, the least important part of the game (after pitching, hitting, and lots more pitching). There is ABSOLUTLY no substitute for tremendous skills in baseball, not athletics, not anything.
You need to reevaluate your stance on sport specific conditioning. In the June 1998 issue of Strength and Conditing, there is an article on how different studies have shown that using weighted bats improved bat speed without disrupting technique.
In response to Hetyey’s pro-baseball ramblings, I would have to say that cricket is a far harder sport to play than baseball.
360 degree field placement, a rock-hard ball bouncing on an uneven grass wicket at speeds greater than 100kph, and fielders having to catch with their bare hands.
I agree with the hockey argument though. I have a hard enough time trying to stand up on skates, let alone worrying about getting smashed whil I’m doing it.
Oh, and thanks for driving away Coach Davies, you clown.
there is another thread, strength training for athletes (might be Strength for athletes) I type like sh@# so I am not gonna type it all again, red my post over there. peace