He’s got a better total than I’ll ever have. I was just surprised at how few meets he did and that his total wasn’t higher given his writings about his powerlifting days. I started paying attention to him when he was powerlifting and somehow got the impression he had a long and storied powerlifting career with seriously impressive totals, which just isn’t the case.
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The thing that affected my view of PCs ability to interact meaningfully with others in a forum environment was in another thread,
I thought it was particularly unpalatable considering that @samul had been a client of PC. I’d take notice if a person treats random individuals poorly, but treating a previous client like that didn’t sit well with me at all. Especially considering the wealth of coaches I’ve seen that, despite having their content stolen, repackaged, and sold, exercise a greater deal of discretion in their statements/correspondence.
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He seems like one of those guys who is great in person, hands on. Like if you have some kind of bug or sticking point, he’ll see it and fix it in a second, But then trying to explain stuff and do the public image thing gets all tangled up.
If you dont mind me asking … how much cash are you talking about.
So I’m about 150 posts into the thread… so far he’s been kind of rude to people but I also find myself agreeing with a lot of what he has to say. I didn’t really know who he was before, but it definitely seems like he and I have a similar outlook on training. I guess the main difference is that I wouldn’t be such a jerk to People that had a different philosophy on training than me lol he comes across as very abrasive!
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It seems very easy to get on his bad side. He also seems immediately defensive to anyone he perceived as a troll, even if they were on his side or agreeing with him!
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So what do we think then? Is stimulus linear with reps up to failure, but fatigue is exponential as you approach and pass failure? Because, 'tis said, talking about ideas is a higher calling than talking about people.
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Personal I view most thing like forced reps and such is like beating a dead horse. The big question is what one wants to define failure as like mentioned earlier on in the thread. How beneficial is certain methods in extending a said set or going to almost absolute failure vs any possible recovery cost.
Of course a less experienced lifter starting out will have less recovery issue over a more advanced lifters who can engage more into a given exercise.
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It’s tough for me to say, because training to failure feels pretty natural to me and I have no trouble doing it every session. My muscles are super fatigued by the end of the workout, but I never seem to have a problem with overall systemic fatigue training this way. I’m sure if you tried to do a high volume of sets this way, it would be really fatiguing, but doing like 10-15 sets for each body part a week to failure seems fine for me in regards to fatigue.
I know this is all completely anecdotal, but I have a lot of energy and I’m making gains, so that’s good enough for me lol
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One issue that people frequently leave out is the rep range that you fail. Also, certain lifts are far more taxing to take to failure. Failing a bench in 5 reps is completely different from failing deadlifts at 20 reps.
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I don’t know about linear and exponential but I think that you if you don’t want to do a few hard sets then you need to do a bunch more sets if you don’t want to fall behind is a no brainer. Also that hard sets take a shitload more life out of you than easy sets is equally a no brainer.
I mean if you want to try balance that out for an optimal result then that’s great but I’d rather just go to the gym and work hard, myself.
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“Passing failure” has always been a sketchy phrase for me, even though I’ve used it. In actuality, you’ve just failed, and you’re using some technique or reducing weight to reach another failure point with lesser weight or a shorter ROM. That being said, I agree with both of them - that fatigue is exponential “past failure”, AND that most lifters - not just beginners - haven’t a clue what real failure is, because truly reaching failure outside of muscular failure is rare.
I am super grateful for my time doing low volume training, because I got - or got super close - to failure, REAL failure, and it completely changed the way I perceived effort with all of my lifting. The reason why I don’t continue it long term, is because of two things: one, trying to beat the log book every time is an exercise in futility, and two, because with moderate or high volume training, if you’re having an off day, you can still hammer the muscles, whereas if you’re doing low volume and really having a shit day, and you get buried by your one set, that’s it.
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Yep. Close enough, anyways. Whether I’m doing triples or sets of 12, the last 2 of the set are always the hardest.
I think there has to be conditions on this though. The main one being that loading parameters are correct for the rep ranges.
But that then goes back to what was being discussed in the video about “people dont work hard enough…”.
True in many cases, but also kinda sniffing ones own farts depending on who is saying it.
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This is more of that personality driven aspect I was speaking to earlier. Submax training works. There’s total proof of it working. I do poorly with submax training, because my brain is wired to basically self-destruct when I train. I drive myself as hard into the ground as I possibly can because that’s the only way I understand to grow. So if you tell me to do sets where I live 2 reps in the tank, I’ll end up doing 400 sets so that I eventually reach that point.
Meanwhile, some dudes thrive on that sorta training, and if you tell them to push it to the redline, they’re bedridden for weeks after the fact.
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That’s how I feel too haha if I didn’t squeeze every rep possible out of a set, I look at it as a warmup. I know that sub max training works, but I would be filled with so much self-doubt if I were to try to leave a set that way, I think that’s one problem I had with 30-10-30. Not a program that pushes me hard enough to make gains and not enough volume to compensate for that lack of redline Intensity.
Although I also understand the other way around because the people who do high volume probably think “If I cut this down to just one or two sets, how am I supposed to keep making gains?”
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the Failure is more CNS outcome response than muscle/joint result
diferent CNS state,will lead to diferent failure setpoint , /my veiw/
30 years training and i still cant say what work for me - low volume , low frequency., failure ,volume…
i try to find every week. but one thing i know : i like to train so much
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Dude, it’s time for a different hobby. This one is clearly a poor fit.
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Dude, do you think so ? i’ll bet you are under 30 and have nice hobby. thank you anyway