[quote]gavra wrote:
[quote]spar4tee wrote:
[quote]gavra wrote:
maybe you cant fire up your muscles efficiently or stay tight with comp grip and with close grip you can, so for you it has a real carryover… remmember it is easier to keep elbows close, use friction when lowering, and by that stay tighter with close grips…
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It’s actually the other way around. Likely because I’m more efficient with comp grip, so certain muscles get left behind in stress when the weights are submaximal hindering progress in the long run. I like your strict approach to technique, but I have other goals as well and CG seems to assist me along a larger spectrum of activity. [/quote]
the way i see it, if you recruit a muscle in a lit, you train a muscle… my lats are very developed yet I dont train them, except that i really feel them when i’m benching…
strict approach to technique is needed when you train lifts for competitions… cause training a lift and training a muscle is A LOT different… advantage that powerlifters have over other sportsmen is that their training can be 100% sports specific… there is no suprises on the field (like in sports with direct opponent) etc…
when someone asks about bench I assume they train bench as a lift/movement, not triceps/chest/shoulders/lats etc as muscles…
I’m coming from serbia, and I know a lot russian lifters who think the same, and they probably had an influence on me…
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Very true. For the most part, I simply enjoy training the way I do. That’s my main motivator for doing it. Getting stronger is a given.
[quote]gavra wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
Gavra thank you very much for chiming in, you’ve made some really good points. What you said about being maybe being able to stay tighter on close-grips makes sense, as my close grip is only about 10k less than my actual bench![/quote]
yeah… as i said, you’re not efficient competition bencher… i mean… you bench only 10kg less in a way disadvantageus (hope its said like that) leverage position… its like fron squatting 10kg less than back squatting, something is wrong with your back squat (if we assume back squat is the lift you compete in)…
i think the difference for me is 30-40kg, between little closer than pinky on the ring vs competition grip… cause leverage is way different… stroke is shorter, you have bigger elbow angle go start with and supposedly you use more muscles…[/quote]
thanks again for the help, so you think I should just drop the close grips and work more on my competition bench?
gavra, you are big and strong dude! Post more!
What i find intereting is how people can skin a cat in many different ways. Dude here talks about benching only to imrpove his bench, all the while we have other poters with huge bench who train in EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE way, getting stronger with multiple leverages and variations to move their bench up.
I think it is realy importnat for people to try differnet styles and see what works for their body. This can’t be stressed enough. FOr me, if I bench submaximal weights with high volumes, I get better at reps but my 1rm moves nowhere. If i train supramaximally with lotsa variations and weights over my max, my 1RM goes up. Other people are exactly the opposite.
Isn’t the human body amazing?!
I have yet to try doing a high frequency approach either with low or high intensity on the powerlifts. I’ll have to give it a shot.
How do you ease into a high frequency, high intensity approach for all 3 powerlifts? I worry that if I start doing 3 high intensity workouts a week on all of them I’ll die lol.
IMO if you like what you’re doing and/or believe in it, you’ll get the most out of it even if there’s a more optimal alternative.
A lot of times it doesn’t necessarily have to be a technical issue, or a matter of what accessory exercises you are or aren’t doing. Most times it’s just a strength issue. everybody has a weak point and there’s no magic exercise you can do over and over again to make it go away. the bottom line is just gaining strength. with that being said I had the same problem, what helped me was adding more size to my lats/upper back, more db work and a lot of 2-3 board work along with sling shot bench. good luck