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[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
For shits and giggles, I checked out my FFMI
FFMI 23.8
Adjusted FFMI 24
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Getting an accurate bodyfat testing is the key, it is the big factor.
But it is really cool science.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
For shits and giggles, I checked out my FFMI
FFMI 23.8
Adjusted FFMI 24
o_0[/quote]
Getting an accurate bodyfat testing is the key, it is the big factor.
But it is really cool science.[/quote]
DEXA, man. The only way to fly.
I’m kinda disappointed, I would’ve hoped I looked a lot better if I was on the verge of being a roid monster, lol.
With all the stuff he was on why would A-Rod use peptides?
[quote]gregron wrote:
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It’s funny, because when I look at all the athletes(yes I’m going to do this) to me, Ben Smith is the only one that looks like he doesn’t juice.
I know where this rabbit hole can lead to, it’s just my opinion
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
For shits and giggles, I checked out my FFMI
FFMI 23.8
Adjusted FFMI 24
o_0[/quote]
Getting an accurate bodyfat testing is the key, it is the big factor.
But it is really cool science.[/quote]
DEXA, man. The only way to fly.
I’m kinda disappointed, I would’ve hoped I looked a lot better if I was on the verge of being a roid monster, lol.
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I don’t think they ever said roid monster in the article…lol.
Maybe you are just that boss bro, today was a good day.
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
With all the stuff he was on why would A-Rod use peptides?[/quote]
it explains it in the article but they arent tested for.
Yeah, I’m pretty close to an FMI of 25 myself. Maybe it’s time to use something. lol.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Yeah, I’m pretty close to an FMI of 25 myself. Maybe it’s time to use something. lol.[/quote]
Where did you get your bodyfat done DD?
Just curious.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Yeah, I’m pretty close to an FMI of 25 myself. Maybe it’s time to use something. lol.[/quote]
Where did you get your bodyfat done DD?
Just curious.[/quote]
I haven’t, just estimating. I’ve done impedance and calipers, I’m guessing I’m probably around an honest 14-16%. That would put me in the 24.5-25.1 range.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Yeah, I’m pretty close to an FMI of 25 myself. Maybe it’s time to use something. lol.[/quote]
Where did you get your bodyfat done DD?
Just curious.[/quote]
I haven’t, just estimating. I’ve done impedance and calipers, I’m guessing I’m probably around an honest 14-16%. That would put me in the 24.5-25.1 range.[/quote]
Cool, I got calipered at Utah State by one of their athletic trainers at 11%, and then got a hydrostatic number of 15% about an hour later. I was over the 25 range and the new number brought me back under.
That was a good read Greg.
I don’t know how to phrase it without coming off as an ass, but I’ll try. The problem with their established cred is that they’re saying “We are the drug guys, we wrote the book on cheating” which is probably true. I remember AR from when he was a regular here and the guy is on top of his craft, but therein lies the rub.
Being the drug guys is by default the position of a lying cheater in the eyes of most of America. If anybody at the corporate level of CF wanted to discredit this, they could very easily point out that they are an established legitimate business, and these guys are established legitimate criminals, no need to look any further.
These aren’t my own personal thoughts on it, just trying to give it a look from another point of view. My own persona thoughts are that the guys are spot on, and this was written to attract any potential or hopeful competitors that want to win to make use of their particular skill set.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
That was a good read Greg.
I don’t know how to phrase it without coming off as an ass, but I’ll try. The problem with their established cred is that they’re saying “We are the drug guys, we wrote the book on cheating” which is probably true. I remember AR from when he was a regular here and the guy is on top of his craft, but therein lies the rub.
Being the drug guys is by default the position of a lying cheater in the eyes of most of America. If anybody at the corporate level of CF wanted to discredit this, they could very easily point out that they are an established legitimate business, and these guys are established legitimate criminals, no need to look any further.
These aren’t my own personal thoughts on it, just trying to give it a look from another point of view. My own persona thoughts are that the guys are spot on, and this was written to attract any potential or hopeful competitors that want to win to make use of their particular skill set.
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Good points.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
That was a good read Greg.
I don’t know how to phrase it without coming off as an ass, but I’ll try. The problem with their established cred is that they’re saying “We are the drug guys, we wrote the book on cheating” which is probably true. I remember AR from when he was a regular here and the guy is on top of his craft, but therein lies the rub.
Being the drug guys is by default the position of a lying cheater in the eyes of most of America. If anybody at the corporate level of CF wanted to discredit this, they could very easily point out that they are an established legitimate business, and these guys are established legitimate criminals, no need to look any further.
These aren’t my own personal thoughts on it, just trying to give it a look from another point of view. My own persona thoughts are that the guys are spot on, and this was written to attract any potential or hopeful competitors that want to win to make use of their particular skill set.
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Good points.
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I know what you’re saying, but I think in the last decade, sports whistle-blowers have gained some credibility with the general population. Jose Canseco has had a lot to do with the shift in public perception. This argument was used against him until he was proven unequivocally right about most of what he wrote.
The law has put faith in whistle-blowing criminals for decades. Snitch testimony by former Mafia leaders has been used since prohibition. The argument you posed here is almost always used initially, and discarded once other pieces of the puzzle start to fall in.
In the case of Crossfit, I’d put a substantial amount of money on Deadspin, or a similarly minded sports-journalism site, coming out with an expose on the subject within the calendar year. In fact, I’d put all of my money on Deadspin already having committed significant resources towards this end.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
That was a good read Greg.
I don’t know how to phrase it without coming off as an ass, but I’ll try. The problem with their established cred is that they’re saying “We are the drug guys, we wrote the book on cheating” which is probably true. I remember AR from when he was a regular here and the guy is on top of his craft, but therein lies the rub.
Being the drug guys is by default the position of a lying cheater in the eyes of most of America. If anybody at the corporate level of CF wanted to discredit this, they could very easily point out that they are an established legitimate business, and these guys are established legitimate criminals, no need to look any further.
These aren’t my own personal thoughts on it, just trying to give it a look from another point of view. My own persona thoughts are that the guys are spot on, and this was written to attract any potential or hopeful competitors that want to win to make use of their particular skill set.
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Good points.
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I know what you’re saying, but I think in the last decade, sports whistle-blowers have gained some credibility with the general population. Jose Canseco has had a lot to do with the shift in public perception. This argument was used against him until he was proven unequivocally right about most of what he wrote.
The law has put faith in whistle-blowing criminals for decades. Snitch testimony by former Mafia leaders has been used since prohibition. The argument you posed here is almost always used initially, and discarded once other pieces of the puzzle start to fall in.
In the case of Crossfit, I’d put a substantial amount of money on Deadspin, or a similarly minded sports-journalism site, coming out with an expose on the subject within the calendar year. In fact, I’d put all of my money on Deadspin already having committed significant resources towards this end.[/quote]
^^this.
And the fact that they are not saying “we know because we know and have sources”, rather they are posting actual peer reviewed studies and have actual evidence that supports their stance.
I fully agree with your sentiment though Sky. Although being “the drug guys” may initially come across as a negative it definitely means that they are subject matter experts.
I feel like that would only be a problem if the authors were just gaining notoriety. AR has already been quoted as an expert in a popular media outlet and has been referenced in medical journals. The average person will see that and assume that person is the authority regardless of their prior drug dealings. JR also has already consulted with media outlets like 20/20. These aren’t guys who are only known for their involvement with drugs. They have already established themselves as reliable sources in the media’s eyes.