Im 19, i asked about steriods with minor/no side effects on another forum they suggested h-drol, epistane or epidrol.
Whats your views on under 21’s taking steriods, are you under 21 and do you take them, do you known anyone, have you done it yourself in the past?
Go to the steroids newbie thread…
Specifically here: http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=354419&pageNo=1
No, no, and no.
Your natural test levels are through the roof and your body’s not done developing/growing.
Come back when you’re at LEAST 21.
[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
No, no, and no.
Your natural test levels are through the roof and your body’s not done developing/growing.
Come back when you’re at LEAST 21.[/quote]
Please listen to this. PH’s are bad mojo all around !
I wrote a post on this type of idea and got ripped down completely…
I’d say its a horrible idea and im deff not doin roids for a looooong time
Don’t call them roids if you don’t want to sound like a tool. They’re called AAS (anabolic androgenic steroids) AS or Steroids.
[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
No, no, and no.
Your natural test levels are through the roof and your body’s not done developing/growing.
Come back when you’re at LEAST 21.[/quote]
How do you know his test levels are through the roof? Have you seen his bloodwork?
[quote]Dopamineloveaffair wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
No, no, and no.
Your natural test levels are through the roof and your body’s not done developing/growing.
Come back when you’re at LEAST 21.
How do you know his test levels are through the roof? Have you seen his bloodwork? [/quote]
this is a valid point, however if he is already suffering from low test levels this makes even less of a case for use of a PH which will most likely fully shut him down for a period of time.
21 is too young for me. 25 is better. I was 29 when I started and at the absolute end of my genetic maxim. Not saying you have to wait till you get to genetic max but 19 or 21 is too young for me if you have not started. Some guys have done 5 cycles before they turn 21 though so go figure.
I started too early. I ran my first at 21 and just over 200lbs. I still wish that I had waited AT LEAST 2-3 more years and added as much weight as possible naturally.
[quote]2thepain wrote:
I started too early. I ran my first at 21 and just over 200lbs. I still wish that I had waited AT LEAST 2-3 more years and added as much weight as possible naturally.[/quote]
Why do you wish this, 2thepain? Honest question. I wholly agree with what you are saying, I’d just like to know what it is you feel, to this day, that would be different had you not started at the point that you did.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
2thepain wrote:
I started too early. I ran my first at 21 and just over 200lbs. I still wish that I had waited AT LEAST 2-3 more years and added as much weight as possible naturally.
Why do you wish this, 2thepain? Honest question. I wholly agree with what you are saying, I’d just like to know what it is you feel, to this day, that would be different had you not started at the point that you did. [/quote]
There are several reasons. The first being my previous lack of knowledge before going into my first cycle of sust and anadrol. This was long before I discovered T-Nation and was going only off the “bro” knowledge available at my local gym. I gained a good amount of strength and size off that first cycle but wasn’t able to maintain much of it due to the fact that I was given only proviron as my PCT. I didn’t know any better, my guess is that the guy didn’t have any nolv or clomid so he just gave me this and told me it would work. My first two cycle were like this and I wasted time and money in the process.
My second reason is that when I started I was about 200 lbs and had a 300 lbs bench. I thought I was doing good and at a level that would benefit from AAS use. All the “bros” at the gym told me I had a good enough base to start from and that now was the time to start. Looking back at my training and diet, I still had room to improve and yet I was still making constant gains. I honestly think that if I had kept training naturally for a few more years I could have gotten to at least 220 without AAS and with strength to match. In those years if I had plans on using AAS I would be able to do the proper amount of research and make the most of all of my cycles.
So to sum it up I think that if I had waited a little while longer and avoided all the “bro knowledge” that was surrounding me I could be at a much higher level then I am right now. I was young, dumb and impatient, something I see everyday in the newbies here. But I can’t change the past so I just try to make intelligent plans for my future.
I agree with 2thepain about the “max potential” not being reached. I think that is the main thing that kids don’t think about when they jump on gear. A lot can be pretty decently sized already, like 2thepain was at 200lbs, but still could be making big gains. They just want that easy button, and don’t even realize that gear still requires hard work. I talked to a guy the other day who was ranting about steroids, and he honestly thought that steroids would basically work overnight. It was sad, but that is what is wrong with society today.
Anyways, sorry for that slight tangent, but I think one of the main reasons young people (~21 and under) is because of that natural max that probably isn’t even close to being reached.
I am 21, and have run one cycle of AAS in my life when I was 20. Although advised against it, i succombed to my own bigotry and hard-headedness. I ran about 450mg of test cyp for eight weeks, and used nolvadex as PCT. I gained over twenty pounds. Side effects that were pronounced was a small gyno flare that seceeded with tomaxifen, and a slight increase in acne.
Was it stupid? Yes, and here is why. In one year of life or 25% of the time i have spent training, i have learned such a great deal more about training, nutrition, and AAS. One year ago when my cycle was ran, I hadn’t properly incorporated a solid training workout, and would train what I wanted. These body parts grew, but left others noticably lagging. Though I ate extensively over the cycle, I should have eaten just a little more.
All in All, I was very lucky that I didn’t destroy my endocrine and hormonal feedback systems in my body because I chose to inject a compound into a young developing body. I will not run another cycle until i feel i am done developing and ready.
[quote]Dopamineloveaffair wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
No, no, and no.
Your natural test levels are through the roof and your body’s not done developing/growing.
Come back when you’re at LEAST 21.
How do you know his test levels are through the roof? Have you seen his bloodwork? [/quote]
His natural test levels are as high as they’re ever going to be right now. I could give a shit about his blood work.
[quote]duhast234 wrote:
I am 21, and have run one cycle of AAS in my life when I was 20. Although advised against it, i succombed to my own bigotry and hard-headedness. I ran about 450mg of test cyp for eight weeks, and used nolvadex as PCT. I gained over twenty pounds. Side effects that were pronounced was a small gyno flare that seceeded with tomaxifen, and a slight increase in acne.
Was it stupid? Yes, and here is why. In one year of life or 25% of the time i have spent training, i have learned such a great deal more about training, nutrition, and AAS. One year ago when my cycle was ran, I hadn’t properly incorporated a solid training workout, and would train what I wanted. These body parts grew, but left others noticably lagging. Though I ate extensively over the cycle, I should have eaten just a little more.
All in All, I was very lucky that I didn’t destroy my endocrine and hormonal feedback systems in my body because I chose to inject a compound into a young developing body. I will not run another cycle until i feel i am done developing and ready.
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I remember you and all of the people telling you not to mess with AAS at that point in your life. Good to see that you have continued to learn. A lot of guys never do, and are content to wallow in their own ignorance until death.
Thanks 2thepain. I appreciate the honesty and I hope your post helps out some of the newer guys here. Hell, reading your post makes me feel a little guilty about my first cycle, and I was 32!
I also feel that I did my first cycle too early. Too early due more to lack of knowledge than where I was in my training.
I also had many friends start even 2-3 years prior to me and suprise suprise they are either rarely working out today and/or all definately smaller than I.
The analbolic reference guides were about the only thing to refernce back then as the interent as we know it today did not contain near the information and resources as it does today.
[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
I also had many friends start even 2-3 years prior to me and suprise suprise they are either rarely working out today and/or all definately smaller than I.
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Funny you mention that, because many of my friends then were using long before I was. And at the time they were bigger and stronger than I. If I were to line them up right now I would be bigger and stronger than all of them. Many of them stopped lifting and picked up other hobbies/habits.
Wouldn’t you think that those cycles you did at younger ages would have been better if you had some better knowledge?
Example: Someone that had been lifting since they were 13 and decided to take an AAS cycle at 21. They have 8 years of experience in the gym and assumedly half of that with dieting.
Everything I researched before I did my first cycle said you should have a minimum of 6 or 7 years before you even think about your first cycle…assuming that this kid had his training and diet down pat, would it still be as harmful as y’all have been stating?
Many of the posts I have read lead me to believe that y’all didn’t have very much in gym experience once y’all stuck that first needle in…think it would have been different if you did have that ever valuable experience factor with you?