Whats up fellas? needs some help on this shit, much appreciated. i purchased some liquid clen. i have a 3ml syringe with out the needle. the bottle is 30ml-200mcg/ml.i heard you start out with 1/4ml and work your way up to 1.5ml, quarter at a time each day.
i took a 1/4 at 2:00 and 30 min later i got the shakes pretty bad/uncontrolable. so im asking how much do i take of this with a 3ml syringe,and how often? how do i get rid of the shakes? im about 250lbs 6’1 just trying to cutt up.
im also taking winstrol is that a bad mix?
1/2 ml a day
Yea i have a PCT planned. I am wanted to lean up a bit but i also think i can put on about 10lbs with that cycle. I appreciate the input.
I have another question. I have done alot of research and i have yet to find exactly what i’m lookin. To run a test E or test C only cycle at a low dose of 250mg a week what kind of gains would one aquire from that. And how long would it take to boost your test back to normal?
a dose of 250mg is really not worth your time or money its enough to shut you down and not enough to make any gains ( im sure you could make SOME but you get the point) my advise to you would be a test E cycle at 250mg E3d for 12 weeks. that way you’ll have nice constant levels, less sides, widely spread pinning, and make excellent gains, overall it will be very beneficial to your future in AAS
Thanks for advise. i appreciate it.
Thank you for actually listening and heeding our advice and doing your research. many, many, many persons have come along here and done the opposite…maybe there is still hope for the future of AAS 
I talked to my supplier and he suggested cyp over Enan. He said that was less water retention with cyp than Enan. I have read that some people prefer one over the other but i have also read there isn’t much difference between the two. Still pulling a more towards the Enan but i figured it was worth asking about. Any input?
IMO theres raelly not too much difference if any at all maybe a slightly different half-life, but in our case we shoot well before the half-life comes into play as to keep the levels as constant as possible. You’re going to shoot E3D either way. I’ve never used cyp so cant compare it to enan as far as water retention goes.
But some water retention isnt a bad thing while on, your going to need it to promote hypertrophy, and help lube you joints while you move that heavy shit around every day 
Game is correct in saying there is not much difference between Enan and Cyp. I would go with Enan over Cyp any day though. Cyp takes longer to become active than enan does and it takes longer to get out of your system. I don’t really see what benefit Cyp has over Enan. You’re going to hold the same amount of water on either one. Go with Enan.
ok this seems like a fairly simple question, but this IS the newbie thread so…
I, like most people am trying to gain some quality mass. Im looking for something that can help me with some quality gains without (too) many side effects.
6’1 210
11-13% BF
clean diet
heres the kicker: im 18. should i wait a few years, or am i good to go?
ANY answers/feedback would be appreciated.
Mason, Wait bro. your 18 your growth plates are still open you dont wanna snap them shut yet. it seems like you have a good solid base to put on some serious mass, and like you allready have a good build from your stats. keep eating and lifting
Thanks a ton man. Do you think i should re-evaluate at about 21 or so?
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Thanks a ton man. Do you think i should re-evaluate at about 21 or so?[/quote]
Yeh, that would be reasonable. Listen to your body. If you feel pretty confident you are done growing you can go for it. Some may say wait longer until you can’t make your body grow significantly without artificial assistance.
I tried it for the first time in college however (as many do) and really enjoyed it…I think I stopped growing in like the 8th grade though. The good news is you are in the right place to learn over the next couple of years so don’t go away and come back at the 11th hour…stick around and learn. Good luck.
I have decided i want to run an anti-aromistose with my test E cycle. I can’t seem to get my hands on anything but nolva and clomid. At a low does of either could it do the same as say maybe arimidex of proviron?
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I have decided i want to run an anti-aromistose with my test E cycle. I can’t seem to get my hands on anything but nolva and clomid. At a low does of either could it do the same as say maybe arimidex of proviron? [/quote]
No, they’re not the same.
Do you live on the moon? Why can’t you get an AI? I can think of at least three, maybe four research chemical companies off the top of my head.
[quote]5.0 wrote:
Do you live on the moon? [/quote]
I don’t know why, but this had me in stitches!
T-Nation Steroid Forum:
Funny AND Informative…Who knew!
Well since you know three of four off the top of your head would you be so kind in shooting a couple of them my way. That is if they are legit.
Don’t even worry about it. Found some local.
Hey guys. I’ve been doing a lot of research lately on AAS, just to get it all in my head before I decide to do a cycle. I am nowhere near ready right now, but nevertheless I would like to increase my knowledge base about AAS use and the like.
My first question is regarding the use of SERMS like Nolva vs. the use of AI like Adex. I have read that an AI is to be used during a cycle, to prevent gyno, while nolva is to be used once gyno already appears. I have also read that once gyno appears, an AI is no good, and that you must use a SERM like nolva to deal with it. At the same time, I have read that some people recommend not using an AI until symptoms occur, like bloat. Question I have is, for a new user, would it be better to use an AI from the get go, or wait for symptoms to appear? It would suck to wait ofr the symptoms, and then be too late, and have to use nolva, and not have used the Adex when you could have.
My second question is regarding the dose frequency of oral Winstrol and Anavar. I have read in this thread (Steroid Newbie Thread) that the active lives of oral Winstrol and Anavar are 48hours and 8-12hours, respectively. Then, when reading Furious George’s thread, I saw he recommended using Winstrol 2x a day, and Anavar 3x a day. Since I could not find the half lives of these, I kind of just based them off the active life, which I guess isn’t really a good thing to do. So, my question is, what should the dosage frequency for Anavar and oral Winstrol be?
Thanks!