[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
15 years?
15 years of what?
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20 years of experience - 5 years of experience = 15 years of experience.
Wasn’t this a math question?
What a total load of crap. Six years?
Then on to bashing the admins…yeah, it’s ALL their fault I’m sure.
Once again, you teachers are the biggest cry babies I think we have to deal with year in, year out. It’s a long list and is populated mainly by people employed by the government in some capacity.
Kroc, if you don’t like the pay, get another job. The truth is that you don’t have to work very hard, you DO get LOT of time off and those two reasons are probably the very reasons you wanted to get into that profession in the first place. The rest of your post is just a kroc, kroc.
Did you know what you’d be paid as a teacher for oh, I don’t know, TWENTY YEARS prior to taking the damn job?
Tenure? Needs to be done away with. It’s worthless except for job security for people like you who can’t obtain job security any other way.
Taxes? I’d be willing to pay more if it would produce better students and teachers. It wouldn’t and since you don’t make enough to have much of a tax burden, you are not qualified to discuss it. You’re probably expecting your refund about now if you haven’t received it yet. It’s people like you that piss me off this time of year as I begin working with my CPA to keep the IRS from taking everything I earn.
Yeah, let’s give all the little teachers more money…that should fix it.
Masters degree? Who cares, if you are able to produce more with an advanced degree…good for you. I’d rather hire and train a hard working individual who WANTS to work and expects to be paid based on his production and addition to the bottom line than some pencil neck geek with his lil degree who thinks I owe him cause he THINKS he’s so damn smart that I can’t do without him.
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Gorilla - Once again, step into a classroom and watch what happens to you. Third graders would eat you alive, never mind high schoolers. Kids always see through the bullshit, and that’s what you’re full of right now. Don’t bash a profession you know nothing about. On the other hand, I spent a good deal of time in the business world and still own and run my own business on the side from teaching, so don’t give me your little whiny waiting for my CPA to find me money pussy crap. Get the balls and education to figure it out on your own, since you obviously didn’t listen to your teachers when they were trying to tell you all this.
Headhunter - Gotta beg to differ on the prep time - I have a boss who prefers us to be able to teach as many subjects as possible, so we change from year to year. In the long run, it only benefits more since it’s more on the old resume. I’m certified in Social Studies, and I can tell you right now that I’ve almost never covered the same subject 2 years in a row. I think at this point, if I had to cover something like Global History for 5 periods a day year after year, I’d probably go as far off the deep end as Gorilla.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
15 years?
15 years of what?
20 years of experience - 5 years of experience = 15 years of experience.
Wasn’t this a math question?[/quote]
Hahaha!
That was funny.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
20 years of experience - 5 years of experience = 15 years of experience.
Wasn’t this a math question?
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Right, and my question was about experience. What does it imply?
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
20 years of experience - 5 years of experience = 15 years of experience.
Wasn’t this a math question?
Right, and my question was about experience. What does it imply?[/quote]
If 20 years experience is significantly better than 5 years experience then our educational system has some serious flaws.
Of course in a free market the superior teacher with 20 years experience would be in high demand and make a fortune.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
If 20 years experience is significantly better than 5 years experience then our educational system has some serious flaws.
Of course in a free market the superior teacher with 20 years experience would be in high demand and make a fortune.[/quote]
Yes, but this comes from the notion that 15 more years of experience implies a better equipped teacher. Does it? That is my question. My experience finds that it doesn’t under most circumstances. The law of diminishing returns does not just apply to bodybuilding. What is the benchmark with which we can measure and define, with impunity, that experience matters more than ability?
(Give my son the hot 23 year old blonde with big jugs and I guarantee you he’ll pay attention and learn better than if you give him a 50 year old man with hair growing out of his nose.)
[quote]kroc30 wrote:stuff
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Kroc,
I spent enough time in class to know what whiney little folks like you do for a living. I pay enough taxes to know that the portion I pay for schools is wasted for the most part on pussy male teachers like you.
Again, good looking, young, female teachers are the only ones needed.
As long as they can read to the class and produce some type of lesson plan.
As for the CPA, I don’t know what kind of little business you were in, if you were actually in one, or try to maintain currently but, if you had to actually work for a living instead of prissing around in a classroom, you’d need a CPA as well. When business crosses several state lines and is diversified, paying someone to do the book work pays off.
If you had the balls to build a business, or two, you would not be bitching about your little school teaching job.
Now…go buy yourself a new pair of pantyhose and paint your nails and get ready for school tomorrow.
The best teachers are Teach For America graduates who only teach for two or three years.
Passionate, well trained, and in and out before they burn out.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Regarding the money you could make with a masters degree, that comment shows how little you know about business. Masters degrees are a dime a dozen. Starbucks is loaded with guys with masters degrees selling coffee.
Unless your masters in in a field that is in demand it can be worse than useless in the business world but it certainly can help in government work.[/quote]
Can you expand on this – what fields do you see high demand for at present? I’m not big on degree’s, either.
[quote]Go-Rilla wrote:
kroc30 wrote:stuff
Kroc,
I spent enough time in class to know what whiney little folks like you do for a living. I pay enough taxes to know that the portion I pay for schools is wasted for the most part on pussy male teachers like you.
Again, good looking, young, female teachers are the only ones needed.
As long as they can read to the class and produce some type of lesson plan.
As for the CPA, I don’t know what kind of little business you were in, if you were actually in one, or try to maintain currently but, if you had to actually work for a living instead of prissing around in a classroom, you’d need a CPA as well. When business crosses several state lines and is diversified, paying someone to do the book work pays off.
If you had the balls to build a business, or two, you would not be bitching about your little school teaching job.
Now…go buy yourself a new pair of pantyhose and paint your nails and get ready for school tomorrow.
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Don’t need to douchebag. On President’s week vacation, working on my side business, enjoying my time with my kids and fucking your wife. You know the best part about this? Pissing off a self-righteous, 220 lb. (gain 15 more lbs. before you think about calling me a pencil neck, little boy)old fart puss bag like you who has to cry all day and bitch about teachers and taxes. When your kid fucks up because you’re a washed up half a man who blames everybody else in the system, don’t blame me.
To go with your earlier post trashing the rest of civil service, I also hope that you get mugged and your house burns down, and the cop and fireman who hate you already laugh in your face.
[quote]doogie wrote:
The best teachers are Teach For America graduates who only teach for two or three years.
Passionate, well trained, and in and out before they burn out.[/quote]
Hey man - You still teaching down there in Texas?
[quote]Go-Rilla wrote:
kroc30 wrote:stuff
Kroc,
I spent enough time in class to know what whiney little folks like you do for a living. I pay enough taxes to know that the portion I pay for schools is wasted for the most part on pussy male teachers like you.
Again, good looking, young, female teachers are the only ones needed.
As long as they can read to the class and produce some type of lesson plan.
As for the CPA, I don’t know what kind of little business you were in, if you were actually in one, or try to maintain currently but, if you had to actually work for a living instead of prissing around in a classroom, you’d need a CPA as well. When business crosses several state lines and is diversified, paying someone to do the book work pays off.
If you had the balls to build a business, or two, you would not be bitching about your little school teaching job.
Now…go buy yourself a new pair of pantyhose and paint your nails and get ready for school tomorrow.
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By the way, Magilla, transporting kiddie porn across state lines doesn’t exactly qualify as big business in my book, so maybe you should go back to school and change professions.
[quote]kroc30 wrote:
Go-Rilla wrote:
kroc30 wrote:stuff
to go with your earlier post trashing the rest of civil service, I also hope that you get mugged and your house burns down, and the cop and fireman who hate you already laugh in your face.[/quote]
It’s easy to see why you had to go into teaching.
When the real sicko minds wind up in classrooms… well, it’s easy to understand why schools are in the condition they are.
How in the hell did you ever get a job around children? Wow…this speaks volumns about today’s teachers.
[quote]kroc30 wrote:
Go-Rilla wrote:
kroc30 wrote:stuff
(gain 15 more lbs. before you think about calling me a pencil neck, little boy)
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Hey kroc, why would I want to get fat before calling a school marm wannabe a pencil neck little boy?
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Regarding the money you could make with a masters degree, that comment shows how little you know about business. Masters degrees are a dime a dozen. Starbucks is loaded with guys with masters degrees selling coffee.
Unless your masters in in a field that is in demand it can be worse than useless in the business world but it certainly can help in government work.
Can you expand on this – what fields do you see high demand for at present? I’m not big on degree’s, either. [/quote]
Not really too up on the hot master degrees. I am sure there are some high tech masters degrees that are in demand.
I do know masters in education, history, etc that teachers collect do not mean much in the real world.
[quote]Go-Rilla wrote:
kroc30 wrote:
Go-Rilla wrote:
kroc30 wrote:stuff
to go with your earlier post trashing the rest of civil service, I also hope that you get mugged and your house burns down, and the cop and fireman who hate you already laugh in your face.
It’s easy to see why you had to go into teaching.
When the real sicko minds wind up in classrooms… well, it’s easy to understand why schools are in the condition they are.
How in the hell did you ever get a job around children? Wow…this speaks volumns about today’s teachers.
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No kidding. Some real anger issues.
[quote]kroc30 wrote:
Hey man - You still teaching down there in Texas?[/quote]
Yes.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Go-Rilla wrote:
kroc30 wrote:
Go-Rilla wrote:
kroc30 wrote:stuff
to go with your earlier post trashing the rest of civil service, I also hope that you get mugged and your house burns down, and the cop and fireman who hate you already laugh in your face.
It’s easy to see why you had to go into teaching.
When the real sicko minds wind up in classrooms… well, it’s easy to understand why schools are in the condition they are.
How in the hell did you ever get a job around children? Wow…this speaks volumns about today’s teachers.
No kidding. Some real anger issues.[/quote]
No idea why you’re jumping in on this Zap, but whatever. No anger issues here at all. Just enjoying watching Magilla the Go-Rilla over there try to push his views on everyone and try to cut down those who disagree with his ignorant “pencil neck”, “dress wearing” crap. Ignorance is bliss and he’s a happy man right now.
Magilla - Guess you ran out of steam, there buddy. That’s ok. It happens to all old farts. Gain 15 lbs. curl in the squat racks, and call me in the morning. And if you can’t take the insults, then don’t dish them out, little boy.
BTW, just to bring this back to a more mature discussion (including myself), several states, including my own (NY) require teachers to get their Master’s degrees within a certain time period (5 years for us)after we receive our certification.
It goes with the idea of creating more highly qualified and better teachers. The pay increases (and no, I’m not bitching about the money) are to even out the fact that several other industries also reward (whether we agree or not) higher degrees, qualifications and experience.
[quote]kroc30 wrote:
BTW, just to bring this back to a more mature discussion (including myself), several states, including my own (NY) require teachers to get their Master’s degrees within a certain time period (5 years for us)after we receive our certification.
It goes with the idea of creating more highly qualified and better teachers. The pay increases (and no, I’m not bitching about the money) are to even out the fact that several other industries also reward (whether we agree or not) higher degrees, qualifications and experience. [/quote]
They do, when it is relevant for the job and only insofar it is relevant for the job.
What is the easiest way to find out what actually is relevant?
Easy, let the market decide.
This does not go against you personally, but I cringe when I hear teachers argue against a market in education, it must be odd to think of oneself as sub-standard and hide behind BS laws.