Good point about the sample pool… like trip advisor… everyones gone on there to moan their steak was over cooked etc or hotel room was dirty.
Ok, let’s hope I don’t need a bra in 8 weeks!
I’m listening and appreciate the advice you guys are giving!
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Hopefully they didn’t just use lipo.
You won’t. As you know gyno takes a while. If you have signs of gyno after 8 weeks there always drugs like Tamoxifen or Raloxifene.
The guys who take ai constantly have problems. Including guys who keep e low. Go look at the men who don’t Touch it and see how many problems they have related to trt. Little to none. Now go look at the guys who do this estrogen nonsense. Nothing but problems. Don’t touch the body’s system of aromatizing. You are going to cause problems. E2 does not cause the symptoms you’ve been told. Rarely does any man ever need an ai. I am yet to come across that man. My doc has one patient I think that needs ai. Otherwise time is what we need . Or try to force it to work in less than 4 months with ai and artificial management of your levels.
Seriously look around you and visit everyone’s posts and see who is complaining and who is not and look at the difference on e control.
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Thanks guys. Really helpful and I’m gonna try and keep away from one if I can.
@dextermorgan they definitely took the glands- I held them after. It was under local anesthetic too.
I guess higher estrogen means you lay fat in different places and I can see a bit from the last 10 days.
I woke up feeling much happier this morning (its injection day today), bit of libido back too- no wood but definitely more elastic down there.
I’ll keep updating- it’s helping stop me freak out!
That’s good. Lipo alone doesn’t get all the glands and has a much higher rate of recurrence. Surely if you are on a TRT forum then you would have also gone to a forum dedicated to gynecomastia surgery so you likely know that already.
My estrogen stays at 80 and I’ve lost a ton of fat. Regardless if you are only 10 days in on TRT you haven’t been on long enough for anything to change physically so be careful you don’t get preconceived notions of what’s going to happen before anything happens. I’ve been there myself when I started.
Yeh I know about that totally. Seems like fat is growing back where it was lipo’d. Definite moob shape to it. Should hopefully come off as I get dialled in and drop some weight.
I’m eating clean and I’m chucking some press ups back in daily along with my cardio.
I’ve actually had a lot more energy and noticeably improved recovery in the last 10 days.
Day 10, injected this morning. Feel happier this afternoon (despite definitely having more moob than 10 days ago).
Yes thank you. Estrogen promotes fat burn and muscle gain contrary to bro science.
It is probably water. You don’t put fat on that quick you do Retain water on trt quick and then in months time it’s gone.
I’m with enackers here. E2 can definitely cause some bloat, especially initially. Same for men as women. It usually goes away after a while, and you will improve muscle mass anyway which helps.
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Funnily enough I’ve just got out if bed and thought- I’m less lean in the face! Water!
Feel happier and have more energy this morning- libido still not there though.
Some weird side effects- I’ve had IBS for a long time, it’s improved dramatically and I’ve also been suffering with acid reflux in the last few years. That’s non existent at the minute!
I’m gonna try an anti aromatase heavy diet, I figure it can’t help and may mean I don’t end up using an ai in a few months too.
Anyone else had much success with these foods?
Button mushrooms
Broccoli/cauliflower
Red grapes
Celery
Also
Zero sugar unless I’m mid run or ride
Zero alcohol
You are missing the point. You are going to have the water retention for a finite amount of time. You body is adjusting. In time it will go away. You can eat broccoli and in two months tell yourself that it was the broccoli of that made it go away but in reality it’s just part of it. I gained 14 pounds by week six. All water. It went away on its own with an estrogen level higher than you’ll likely ever reach. In 6 months you’ll be jacked, leaner and feel better. Sit back, kill it in the gym and enjoy it. Welcome to TRT and for the love of God take some pics so in 6 months you can show everyone how much better you look from eating broccoli.
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Weird. Crashed this afternoon- God knows what’s going on with my blood chemistry but I’ve felt shaky and weak. Really depressed and completely numb downstairs.
Anyone else experienced this settling in?
Yes.
Right- there’s definitely some gyno developing, even thoughts had glands removed- it’s laying down a little breast shape. Really obvious from the side. That’s after 11 days!!!
Freaking out- are we sure an ai isn’t needed in these circumstances? I need to reverse this growth asap!
I’m also absolutely knackered
Anyone else experienced this at the start of TRT?
Really worried I’m just aromatasing everything I’m putting in.
Ordered a blood kit- gonna check levels asap
What is your body fat %? Is it a lump, or soft and squishy?
If you’re 100% sure it’s gyno, I would start an AI like Anastrozole at 0.25/wk or less, and increase injection frequency.
If you’re not 100%, I would speak with your doctor confirm.
Hard lump and somesurrounding squishy fat.
Been feeling like crap. I’m convinced I’m a high aromatase person.
I’m not fat but not mega lean. I’d say 15% at a guess.
@roadie
You don’t have gyno after 11 days. You likely have water retention in your breast area since you likely hold fat there and if you say your 15% bf you are likely closer to 20%. You’ve had gyno before so you are predisposed to freaking out about it. No judging. I was the same way when I started. I wish someone would have smacked me. You are going to have water retention in the beginning and it will go away on it’s own.
Post a pic of yourself (face blurred).
For the record here’s my current E2, I had gyno previously and surgery to remove it. I also had water retention in the breast area when starting because I wasn’t lean then.
Thanks Dextermorgan.
I think I’m getting a lot of anxiety in this settling phase and I’m honing in on my chest.
One thing I’m noticing, I’m feeling best the night before my injection- so about 2.5 days after I’ve pinned.
@roadie
It gets better. I know the feeling. The time goes by quickly and soon you’ll be feeling better.
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