Dude you will have symtoms. Stay away from hour estrogen it Is why you feel good. You need to have patience this happens to all
Men.
Or go ahead control it and let us know when you have symtoms and well tell you to get off the ai.
Please read around and see what others are doing with estrogen. Ifs fairly clear that on trt it’s not really needed. Rarely is it and definitely not for water retention and itchy nipples.
It takes 3-6 months for most men to feel normal totally ok trt
Just going back through my bloods… one of you mentioned getting a thyroid panel.
I had one a while ago and the TSH was mid range and the free t4 was 19.7. Ref 8-22
That 19.7 has me wandering if I’m borderline hyperthyroid- how would that affect how TRT should be administered?
P.s. the moobs are still getting worse, gonna do bloods tomorrow to check estrogen as I feel like crap and severely depressed.
You need to get ft3 and rt3 measured before we can say much. T3 is what matters most. high T4 could be you aren’t converting enough to t3 which could mean hypo
T3 is the only thyroid hormone known to be active so it’s the one that matters most
Low TSH is usually the indicator for hyperthyroid (below 0.450). Mid and higher TSH is more indicative of hypo, the thought by a lot of people is it should be close to 1 for optimal. Like ncsugrad said you should get further thyroid testing done.
I’ve ordered a thyroid test.
It’s got
TSH
Free t4
Free T3
Tgab
Tpoab
God knows what this reverse stuff is you guys are on about- doesn’t seem to be an option on UK tests.
One question…
Now Ive started TRT could that change how my thyroid is functioning so this may not be representative of how my body functions with no drugs?
I feel like this in the first hour, actually I feel the injection within minutes and it just keeps building throughout the day, then hours before my injection I feel off, then next injection the return of bliss within minutes.
I only need 7mg daily (49mg weekly) to feel like a king.
I take it you are injecting subq?
Twice weekly is a pain in the ass- literally and metaphorically!
I tried SQ and will never again, felt terrible. SQ felt like testosterone declined and estrogen increased. I inject in the shoulders and quads, therefore it’s not a pain in the ass.
Use a smaller needle. I do IM in the delts erry day using a 28g 1/2 inch needle 1CC insulin syringe. I don’t feel shit. No reason to be using a larger guage needle unless you’re one of those guys that’s gets off on suffering (which I’m cool with).
No way I can go to every day injections- although sounds like the most natural and ideal way of keeping estrogen under control.
I just don’t have the time or facilities- trying to fit this around family life.
Also the test-e we get here in the UK comes in 250mg 1ml glass snap top vials so I’m loading 4 syringes from a single vial- that’s hard enough to do and also worries me slightly about infection risk.
I’m assuming over in the states you get a 10ml vial that you can just draw from.
Right I’m getting cold feet on this whole thing.
Think I’m going to stop and just try and get my normal levels back- seems like getting dialled in is hard and I’m not feeling this at all.
I’m about 3 weeks in 18 days- what’s the best way to stop?
Just stop and a couple of weeks of tamoxifen?
If you’re only 3 weeks in total I’d just flat out stop and recover naturally. I can’t imagine you’re THAT shut down in 3 weeks.
Daily is overkill for a lot of people. 3x a week was plenty for me
So I’ve not jabbed for about 9 days now- was doing 60mg every 3 days or there abouts.
Had a day on Monday where I felt like death,
Other than that I feel ok. Am I still getting testosterone from the 3 weeks of jabs or is that all out of me by now?
Can’t work out if I’d not fully shut down so natural has kicked back in already?
I actually feel better than I did before I started the protocol so if this continues I may not come back to this.
Still got extra moob as a result though 