When do you guys think is an appropriate time to start a fight? For instance when someone is talking shit to me i basically am the most chill person and then once it comes down to them actually wanting to fight me then ill fight with out even thinking about it. What im askin though is if someone is talking down to you or something like that when is it time to throw down?
I’d take the highroad and say “never” but honestly, I’ve popped people for no reason at all. If they preceded the event with some trash talking, all the better. Then it would just look like they were asking for it.
So, the “good” part of me would say- “Don’t fall in to someone elses trap. Let them talk shit and look like an asshole”, but the other side of me would say " Read his movements until the opportunity presents itself, and punch him in the temple.".
Either one works.
I would only fight due to self defense or for any reason that ends in me removing the guy’s eyes with a spoon. There’s always a big chance of bumping into each other in the future, and he may try to start some shit when you least expect it. If he has no eyes, he can’t see you!
Never is your best bet. But that is impossible. So I’d say either when you feel like you are about to be attacked or when the trash talking has gone too far in public for you to keep your reputation intact if you don’t act.
That is not to say you should have a reputation as a hot headed punk who starts fights, but you shouldn’t demonstrate that you can be blatantly disrespected either.
In the first case, hurt the guy to be sure you don’t get hurt yourself.
In the second, just shut the loudmouth up. Make him look like the bitch and call it done.
[quote]Mikaj wrote:
I would only fight due to self defense or for any reason that ends in me removing the guy’s eyes with a spoon. There’s always a big chance of bumping into each other in the future, and he may try to start some shit when you least expect it. If he has no eyes, he can’t see you![/quote]
You sir are gently raping the correct.
The only time that is a good time to fight is if you have to. And If you have to fight then do the job right. Because it is just to easy for him to get a hold of your info and come after you with a shovel and a blanket at night. See “The Walking Dead” issues 6-7 for further info on why this is important. A friendly fight can turn into a massive grudge.
And this is taking into account that i live in Canada. If I lived in the states I would keep my damn cool to the max. Because in the US you never know who is strapped and ready to blast you. I would be.
And if you are truly in an effective mind about self-security and fighting illegally then you should always assume the most prepared opponent. If you always expect your opponent to be a skilled and canny fighter that is armed to the teeth you wont be surprised.
-chris
I really don’t see the point. I can’t imagine someone saying something to me that would compel me to fight them. I can always just leave, and if he’s in my house then he has to leave. If he doesn’t then I can kick his ass/call the cops.
I agree with Fireplug. There’s no reason to fight unless you or someone else are physically attacked first.
If someone comes into my house to try and fight or rob me, there won’t be a fight, i’ll just shoot them. I would have absolutely no problem with killing someone who broke into my house.
Learn to talk trash back. Make them mad while you keep your cool.
The internet doesn’t count.
Someone once said never start a fight - only ever finish one.
If you (or someone else you feel the urge to protect) is in danger then go nuts.
Finish the guy as efficiently as possible. That means no silly rules. That also means you better have a good explanation for the police when the other guy is in hosiptal on life support.
Otherwise ‘trash’ talk is not a good reason. You are not in danger.
Threats are a different matter - they place you in danger.
The repuation remark is interesting. What can one really say about you that would hurt your reputation? People know what you are like already. Some loud mouth who calls you mean things is not going to change that.
Nothing but self-defense is a good reason.
[quote]Spry wrote:
Someone once said never start a fight - only ever finish one.
If you (or someone else you feel the urge to protect) is in danger then go nuts.
Finish the guy as efficiently as possible. That means no silly rules. That also means you better have a good explanation for the police when the other guy is in hosiptal on life support.
Otherwise ‘trash’ talk is not a good reason. You are not in danger.
Threats are a different matter - they place you in danger.
The repuation remark is interesting. What can one really say about you that would hurt your reputation? People know what you are like already. Some loud mouth who calls you mean things is not going to change that.
Nothing but self-defense is a good reason.
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I would suggest blowing trash talk off for the the most part or just returning it and being snappier. But if you are in public and getting clowned repeatedly with out doing anything about it, your reputation will certainly be damaged. Shit talkers do tons of damage in social settings. It’s not necessarily about a loud mouth saying mean things.
Loose lips sink ships after all. I say when “the line” has been crossed, rough the guy up a little. Just enough to put him in his place. You don’t have to break his jaw and kick his unconscious body. There is no need to take emotional abuse.
[quote]texasguy2 wrote:
Spry wrote:
Someone once said never start a fight - only ever finish one.
If you (or someone else you feel the urge to protect) is in danger then go nuts.
Finish the guy as efficiently as possible. That means no silly rules. That also means you better have a good explanation for the police when the other guy is in hosiptal on life support.
Otherwise ‘trash’ talk is not a good reason. You are not in danger.
Threats are a different matter - they place you in danger.
The repuation remark is interesting. What can one really say about you that would hurt your reputation? People know what you are like already. Some loud mouth who calls you mean things is not going to change that.
Nothing but self-defense is a good reason.
I would suggest blowing trash talk off for the the most part or just returning it and being snappier. But if you are in public and getting clowned repeatedly with out doing anything about it, your reputation will certainly be damaged. Shit talkers do tons of damage in social settings. It’s not necessarily about a loud mouth saying mean things.
Loose lips sink ships after all. I say when “the line” has been crossed, rough the guy up a little. Just enough to put him in his place. You don’t have to break his jaw and kick his unconscious body. There is no need to take emotional abuse.
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In some senses I roughly agree with this. Certain people really need a fast swat in the teeth. I am not one to go around “handing them out” like bernie mac but there is an instance when I have smoked a dude for being a cunt. But the key is I got him to touch me first. I would only recommend swatting a guy that has ‘assaulted’ you first. If you can get him to physically interfere with you in any way then you can beat him pretty good in most areas of North America.
the key is i got the guy to push me after an afternoon of asshole smack talk (he was a buddy of an acquaintance). I told him he was a bitch-ass trick that only had the balls to run his mouth and was too lady-like to man up and really fuck with me. And this was the first thing I ever said back to him all afternoon. The rest of it i had ignored and nodded off up till now.
Then I insulted his sexuality in a very long-winded but funny (according to me) way. After this he pushed me and then I basically tortured him, without ever hitting him once, for the better part of 15 mins. Fortunately, people in australia (where I was) are still into letting guys have “fair fights” so it was different than a ‘streetfight’. Nothing puts someone in their place better than ‘palpating’ his kidneys.
-chris
So you were the dickhead who started a fight without just cause (self-defense)?
You provoked the guy!
This is an example of what not to do.
I’ve never had someone insult me that badly to take any notice. I’m just too nice for anyone not to like!
I have been ‘asked’ to leave a pub by its manager. When the other 3 guys and myself ‘declined’ 4 bouncers appeared soon enough.
We finished our beers and left. Don’t be a dickhead!
[quote]Avocado wrote:
texasguy2 wrote:
Spry wrote:
Someone once said never start a fight - only ever finish one.
If you (or someone else you feel the urge to protect) is in danger then go nuts.
Finish the guy as efficiently as possible. That means no silly rules. That also means you better have a good explanation for the police when the other guy is in hosiptal on life support.
Otherwise ‘trash’ talk is not a good reason. You are not in danger.
Threats are a different matter - they place you in danger.
The repuation remark is interesting. What can one really say about you that would hurt your reputation? People know what you are like already. Some loud mouth who calls you mean things is not going to change that.
Nothing but self-defense is a good reason.
I would suggest blowing trash talk off for the the most part or just returning it and being snappier. But if you are in public and getting clowned repeatedly with out doing anything about it, your reputation will certainly be damaged. Shit talkers do tons of damage in social settings. It’s not necessarily about a loud mouth saying mean things.
Loose lips sink ships after all. I say when “the line” has been crossed, rough the guy up a little. Just enough to put him in his place. You don’t have to break his jaw and kick his unconscious body. There is no need to take emotional abuse.
In some senses I roughly agree with this. Certain people really need a fast swat in the teeth. I am not one to go around “handing them out” like bernie mac but there is an instance when I have smoked a dude for being a cunt. But the key is I got him to touch me first. I would only recommend swatting a guy that has ‘assaulted’ you first. If you can get him to physically interfere with you in any way then you can beat him pretty good in most areas of North America.
the key is i got the guy to push me after an afternoon of asshole smack talk (he was a buddy of an acquaintance). I told him he was a bitch-ass trick that only had the balls to run his mouth and was too lady-like to man up and really fuck with me. And this was the first thing I ever said back to him all afternoon. The rest of it i had ignored and nodded off up till now.
Then I insulted his sexuality in a very long-winded but funny (according to me) way. After this he pushed me and then I basically tortured him, without ever hitting him once, for the better part of 15 mins. Fortunately, people in australia (where I was) are still into letting guys have “fair fights” so it was different than a ‘streetfight’. Nothing puts someone in their place better than ‘palpating’ his kidneys.
-chris[/quote]
It sounds to me like you instigated, or at least elevated the situation. Then took it too far.
I’m saying that if you are being clowned a little too much you should just rough the guy up a tad, and there is no reason to talk back. When it gets to that point, just ask if he has a problem he’d like to handle. If he keeps yakking, pop him in the mouth.
No need to beat him senseless or magnify the shit talking if you can minimize it before you boil.
Generally, “fair fights” are accepted in Texas too, but the severity of the beating allowed by onlookers directly relates to the offense. A 15 minute beating is a little much for trash talk. It would most likely be broken up at the first sign of blood or one sidedness. But it would be allowed.
Molest a guys girlfriend while drunk at a bar though, and your teeth, facial structuring, rib cage and health in general are up for the taking.
LOL.
Ahhh the internet, the land where you can “rough people up” without the cops getting involved.
The God’s honest truth is, it’s a fine fucking line as to when you must fight and when you shouldn’t. It’s a situational call- if it’s a guy you’re not going to see again, then let it ride. If it’s someone who has the potential to abuse you in the future, then you may have to make it clear in one way or another that it’s not going to fly
You also can’t just, “go nuts”. Self-defense is a hazy term shrouded in bullshit. If you rip a guy’s eye out, you’re going to have legal problems. If you hit him and he falls and hits his head on the pavement and dies, I hear they call that manslaughter.
You are allowed to use the appropriate level of force, which means you can’t beat them up too bad. The unfortunate part is that anything can happen in a fight, and you never know how it’s going to roll.
In my book, someone laying their hands on me gives me the green light. “Shit talking” does not mean you can hit them.
And if you’re going to play this game, I suggest you take up some type of fighting art. It’s always good to know how to put a figure 4 on a guy, or give him one solid shot and have him realize that fucking with you just isn’t a good idea.
[quote]theflowjob wrote:
When do you guys think is an appropriate time to start a fight? For instance when someone is talking shit to me i basically am the most chill person and then once it comes down to them actually wanting to fight me then ill fight with out even thinking about it. What im askin though is if someone is talking down to you or something like that when is it time to throw down?[/quote]
Best Time To start a Fight:
-When his back is turned and he’s not paying attention.
-While he’s taking a piss and he’s not paying attention.
-While he’s puking and he’s not paying attention.
If the dude is real big bad MoFo then punch his girlfriend instead. That way when he kicks your ass you can tell everybody they ganged up and jumped you, but at least you dropped one of the punks.
A more simpler answer is:
What would Steven Segal do?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
LOL.
Ahhh the internet, the land where you can “rough people up” without the cops getting involved.
In my book, someone laying their hands on me gives me the green light. “Shit talking” does not mean you can hit them.
And if you’re going to play this game, I suggest you take up some type of fighting art. It’s always good to know how to put a figure 4 on a guy, or give him one solid shot and have him realize that fucking with you just isn’t a good idea.
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Yes. The internet. I also like your avatar.
Here’s an example: some stuck up asswipe tried pushing me and one of my friends out of our seat at a football game. Not just once, i told the fcker to lay off about 3-4 time before pushing his ass down like 3 rows. He touched me probably like 4-5 times in the ordeal, instead of pushing him, if I had wrecked his face, would I be in trouble. (in terms of law, not school)
What I leanred in Karate was: Never start a fight… but always throw the first punch. Fighting will create problems, either in getting beat down then and there, or jumped from behind later. However, if you do know that something is going to become violent, sucker punch them and finish it as quickly as possibly.
I avoid fights as a matter of course, so it doesn’t often happen. But normally it’s pretty easy to tell when a guy really wants to fight, as apposed to just acting like a tough guy, talking shit to people he doesn’t think will actually confront him. If it seems like a fight is inevitable, in my opinion, don’t say anything, don’t talk shit, just hit first. But if you think the guy’s just trying to look like a bad-ass in front of friends, don’t bother.
For example, last situation I got into that might have turned into a fight was at a bar about a month ago. Some fat wanna-be-hard-ass (you know the type) was making his way through the crowd when he came up to my friend and I. My friend, who weighs maybe 120 lbs was facing me, with his back to the approaching fat-fuck.
The place was loud and my friend didn’t hear the guy tell him to get out of the way. Long story short, I had to step between the two of them, not at all happy about it mind you because I was fairly certain at that point that a fight with this guy would make for a rough night. But the first words out of his mouth were “I’ll kill you, fool!”
Without getting into why, lets just say the threat didn’t ring true. The poor attempt at intimidation was a red flag, so I knew it wasn’t going to turn into a real fight, and, in any case, if it did, this douche bag clearly hadn’t been in a lot of fights, anyways. Long story short, words were exchanged, he grew increasingly timid, and eventually his buddies came up and dragged him off. There was no way, no matter what he said, that I would have started the fight in that situation. I wasn’t in danger, and starting fights just to look tough ain’t really cool past the age of 13. IMO.