Start of Experiment: Estradiol Valerate

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More than three weeks now.

Libido is as strong as ever.
EQ quality is very good.
Hair itch is gone, had this since i started T.

I know very well u dont build much worth of muscle in a few weeks but i sure hell LOOK alot more muscular and my pumps are so damn strong.

Its like i finally get the bang for my buck when it comes to my test injections.

I refuse to start sounding like the pro e2 anti AI brigade but it is truly amazing, AMAZING what e2 has made for me so far. It literally saved my sex life lmfaooo i feel EXACTLY as when i was 13 again!

It Will be interesting to see wtf happends when i try a 1 or 1.5 test cycle again, with e2 pills.

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Also my cum shoots out now, instead of fucking drips like it did before.

And semen volume is more.

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Any sign of itchy nips?

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Zero

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I don’t think I like when I am that horny. If it is something you want, good for you! I’ve had a few experiences with libido spikes. A few obvious causes (Test blasts), but also a few libido spikes that are counter intuitive. When I started using finasteride I got a libido boost, it was too much TBH. It did even out after about a month. I was expecting for either libido to stay the same, or go slightly down, but it went up. After doing some research, higher libido is somewhat commonly reported with finasteride. I suspect two things as casual factors. The first could be higher FT levels because I was inhibiting conversion of FT ->DHT. The second could be higher E2 levels from having that higher FT level (higher FT leads to higher E2). I was on TRT levels while doing this.

I say all of that to say that I think it is plausible that some guys (myself perhaps) have higher libido with higher E2. I am not certain, because it could just be the higher FT, possibly the combo of both, or something I am not thinking of.

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I tried fina when i got paranoid i lost my hair.

I had the exact same experience. Libido got WAY higher.

I do believe in the theory that the fact it converted less to dht and more to e2 is the main reason.

Dropped it tho due to all the horror stories.

But yea, the libido spike was real.

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Also consider the fina resulted in less DHT to compete with E2 at the receptor level. Competitive inhibition. So higher effective E2 action irrespective of absolute levels.

Different route, similar results. Consider this hypothesis in your long path.

Keep soldiering on!!

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I have much higher libido and stronger erections on higher E2. Much anecdotal evidence and not coincidental that many of the “lower E2 at any cost” crowd have libido/erection problems. I am not proposing supplementing with estrogen necessarily but there is something to it.

Lets not ARGUE about it as everyone is different. Be thankful people are willing to share their experiences, one way or another.

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Is that why the community is also plagued with all sorts of rituals and chronic use of cialis or viagra? It goes something like this “higher E2 man it’s great man, I do so good man, oh yeah I also take daily cialis”

Some ppl actually do feel better on lower E2 believe it or not, it may just be a matter of how we do it being the problem.

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What part of “lets not argue about it. Everyone is different” dont you understand?

So ironic too
you have dick problems AND low E2 yet you want to argue with my personal experience

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I don’t have low E2
 also my E2 gets even lower on lower doses but all of a sudden my dick works better :thinking: how does that happen???

Sorry I would take the “more E2 is better” community serious if it wasnt infested with cialis and viagra. I am not arguing with your personal experience, but you started first with your blanket statement, not me.

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Agreed. Low E2 is single digits or low teens (in the presence of high T )

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When I use the term “low E2” I am referring to average numbers relative to Test levels for AAS users. Not pharma charts for “average” individuals.

Regardless, whatever works!

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Understood. It’s a gray area anyway and everybody is entitled to join the conversation with their view point. Like you said, whatever works!

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In the other post where I showed labs, notice the second post has higher E2 relative to T levels. I can assure you I did not feel better.

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Not directed at OP at all but - This is something that irritates me about a lot of the online trt community in general.

They’ll say something like “the higher E2 the better” and not mention how they’re popping daily Cialis and pre-sex Viagra, taking primo alongside it, taking way more test than is healthy long term, not mentioning the other 6 medications they’re on, etc.

Another thing that’s posted constantly and the person never realizes is how the switch to daily dosing and feel better, but they lower the dose because they’re doing daily. And it doesn’t ever occur to them that maybe lowering the dose was the cause and not switching from e3d to daily.

It’s easy to point to one thing among all the factors that come into play and miss the big picture of what’s actually going on.

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Whatever works!

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I guess the final thing that convinced me to try was the Estrogen Table episode of the podcast with Broderick Chavez and Lyle McDonald (Both SUPER SMART with a ton of experience and the 2 guys i actually trust in this community) - Where they talked about an experiment of another coach.

Basically that coach put 20-30 different bodybuilders of his on estradiol valerate.

He split it up in 4 groups:

Group 1. TRT levels of test, nothing else.
Group 2. TRT levels of test and 2mg estradiol.
Group 3. BB levels of test (bout 1-1,5g i think), nothing else.
Group 4. BB levels of test (bout 1-1.5g i think), 2mg of estradiol.

Both groups with estradiol added got:
Libido so high it “caused relationship problems”.
Way better hdl/ldl levels.
Better blood pressure.
Higher IGF-1 (creating an enviroment for better anabolism).
Way better muscle pump and fullness.

ALL OF THEM

2 or 3 of all the guys put on estradiol droppet out due to side-effects in form av too much acne and bloat.

The very notion that all of them got increased libido was what got me listening the most, and yeah, it worked for me too.

If one has been on trt for years and years, with shitty or even somewhat shitty libido, nothing worked: AI, no AI, HCG, no HCG, ED EOD e10d BLABLA: I would suggest atleast give it a try.

Order the damn pills and give urself just 3 weeks, the half life is short so it will most likely get “Felt” rather fast.

Does libido increase? Well there you go!

Does it DECREASE? Well atleast now you know “too low e2” wasnt the problem.

Im very very happy now, this shit fucking worked, I cant believe this crap lmfao, IM SO HORNY ALL THE TIME NOW, THIS IS THE BEST EVER, MY COCK IS SAVED, MY GF IS HAPPY AND I WANNA JERK OFF TO PORN 3 TIMES A DAY AND ALSO BANG MY GIRL

TURNS OUT IT WASNT CAUSE I ATE TOO FEW BANANAS OR TOOK TOO LITTLE VITAMIN C OR DRANK ALCOHOL 2 WEEKS AGO!!

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I “remember” the feeling of arousal now.

When I had issues, I could look at porn and feel NOTHING, like staring at the wall.

Now, I instantly get that “aroused feeling” in all my body and soon enough shit start happening down there, its automatic.

lovely, lovely, lovely

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A bit confused here by your wording. The experiment would indicate that low E2 WAS the problem (or at least a contributing factor to less than ideal sexual function) and was fixed by adding estrogen to the protocol. Correct?