[quote]Vince12413 wrote:
I’m 17 stupid, I still have alot of growing to do. Just because all you adults are 5’9 and done growing doesn’t mean the rest of the world is aswell. I gain about an inch of height every 4 months or so. My dad is 6’5, 250lbs. Most of my brothers are headed in the same direction.
This topic should be deleted, as I’m no longer getting helped, just insulted for having an idol…[/quote]
keep up the attitude and you probably won’t live to see 20.
[quote]harhar wrote:
haha stupid, Weightlifting stimulates growth by releasing growth hormones. No one told you to go break your back trying to lift 2000lbs. I wish I had started lifting earlier as I am positive I would have grown taller than I am now.
And you post a pic of a world class bodybuilder and say you want to look like that without gaining significant size? And trust me, you wont EVER look like that unless you have some seriously good genetics OR you use steroids.
And Bruce Lee’s methods of training is now considered almost obsolete. So I dont understand why you want to go that way when there are better ways to get the results you want. One other thing, Bruce Lee used TONs of free weight exercises in his training.[/quote]
Break my back? 2000lbs? What are you talking about? The fact that you actualy typed “hahahha” leads me to believe you’re an idiot.
Skies the limit. You don’t anything about how I train. Just because I ask a few simple questions doesn’t mean I’m totaly stupid when it comes to muscle. “Fucking Zane” isn’t THAT big. My dad is bigger than him, most WWE or WCW, WWF, WHATEVER THE FUCK ITS CALLED, wrestlers are bigger than him. He’s just extremely ripped, which is what I want.
Bench press is obsolete? Barbell Curling is obsolete? OK!!! WHATEVER YOU SAY!!!
All I own is free weights, a becnh/cage to use them on, and a pullup station, and that’s just for weights. I can do basically any exersise I want in my basement. So don’t tell me to waste my time at a gym full of stupid people like you.
[quote]NewDamage wrote:
This is ridiculous. You have no clue what you’re doing in regards to gaining muscle, nor do you have any idea the body composition needed to achieve the look you are going after.
Worst of all, you insult the more knowledgeable people here and refuse to accept the fact you’re going about things the wrong way.
Bruce Lee had a decent amount of muscle mass and insanely low bodyfat percentage. There ya go.
Frank Zane had a shitload of muscle mass, and insanely low bodyfat percentage, seeing as how it was the Mr. Fucking-Olympia contest.
“He’s not THAT big.”
You need to accept the advice from the people who, in my opinion, are being too kind by giving it to you.
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Yes I do. You guys misunderstand me SAYING I want to look like someone. It’s just a goal.
More knowlagable? I say " I wannabe ripped!", they say “Bulk up!”. That’s more knowlageable?
Caption obvious strikes again!!!
I accepted the advice. If you read any of my earlier posts, I said I accept all advice. I’m just defending my point. I had a bit of trouble explaining my goals earlier, and everyone blew up on me.
“Bulking up” Is not my goal. You guys too often mistake FAT for muscle. Just like the FAT ASS who benched 1000lbs.
Feel free to respond with more bullshit, I’m used to it now.
[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
just basing it on what you listed as your stats. Listen to X. To get the same ratio as Lee you need to be bigger. That means lifting heavier weights. Sets of 3 to 5 reps, explosively.
When you’re not putting down powerlifters, that is.
And when you get to where you weigh around 220 or so, then you can tell the rest of us we don’t know what we’re talking about.
Be careful dude, you’re pissing off lots of the people you’re asking for advice. Just a word to the wise.
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My stats? My weight and hight have nothing to do with my muscular condition. I could have boney ass legs and a huge upper body, or visa versa. You have no clue.
What does my intelegence have to do with my weight? Another person thinking he’s the shit because I weigh less than him.
[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
I don’t think I’d be calling Professor X ignorant. He’s probably built more muscle on his body than you weigh. In additon to being one of our nations finest (Army) and a physician.
And on the day that you can bench a grand…hell, on the day that you can even roll a grand around on the floor…then maybe you can talk about it.
But I would like to see you cop this attitude to big Gene’s face, 'specially if he was hungry at the time.
And, read the damn article I went and found for you to try and fucking help you. Bruce Lee lifted weights. Power cleans, benches, good mornings…all the basics. [/quote]
I’M FUCKING 17 YEARS OLD!! HELLO!!! “Professor X” is a tubby fuck, of course he’s stronger than me. But his bench weight means nothing if his wind-pipe is cracked. I don’t care how much he benches, I trained for 5 years to deal with fat bullys like him, and I’m more than ready to prove it.
I loved the artical you gave me. It helped alot, thanks.
I think perhaps you need to understand how to achieve the goals you wish to attain. There’s nothing wrong with saying you want to look like Zane or Bruce Lee… but you have to understand how to get there.
From what I gather your goal is to have a medium build (Zane has a heavy build in that pic) with lots of definition… to do this you have to
if you try to do 2 and not 1 you’ll end up looking like a skinny weakling, and in truth you probably will be a skinny weakling. If you do 1 and not 2 You’ll end up having too much fat to a)show muscle b) it’ll slow you down in martial arts
[quote]Vince12413 wrote:
I’M FUCKING 17 YEARS OLD!! HELLO!!! “Professor X” is a tubby fuck, of course he’s stronger than me. But his bench weight means nothing if his wind-pipe is cracked. I don’t care how much he benches, I trained for 5 years to deal with fat bullys like him, and I’m more than ready to prove it.
I loved the artical you gave me. It helped alot, thanks.[/quote]
You’re welcome.
But boy, I wish you hadn’t said that about Professor X…Professor X is not big Gene who benched a grand. ProfX is the big fella who’s picture is his avatar. He replied in this thread.
I think we probably all need to simmer down a little here, huh? WHy don’t we start over.
Protein. Low-Carb Grow!.
Surge.
That’s probably all a 17 year old with genetics like you describe needs for supps, just food and weights.
/thread!!!
Please. For the love of god.
~Terumo
[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
You’re welcome.
But boy, I wish you hadn’t said that about Professor X…Professor X is not big Gene who benched a grand. ProfX is the big fella who’s picture is his avatar. He replied in this thread.
I think we probably all need to simmer down a little here, huh? WHy don’t we start over.
Protein. Low-Carb Grow!.
Surge.
That’s probably all a 17 year old with genetics like you describe needs for supps, just food and weights.
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Yeah I plan to try the Grow!. I’ll probably be ording Surge in a few weeks though, I have money going into a few other areas, but I’ll make an effort to squeeze some extra change out and buy it.
[quote]Watson2K5 wrote:
From what I gather your goal is to have a medium build (Zane has a heavy build in that pic) with lots of definition… to do this you have to
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For some reason, I feel that Zane is more on the ripped side. Proff X has a heavy build. We may disagree on it, but that’s fine.
Once I gain all the muscle I need, how do I rip all of the fat off? HOT-ROX? I know I can’t do both at once. From what I’ve heard, I’ll probably boost back up to 210-220, that’s as high as I feel is safe. Most men in my family gain alot of weight as an adult and I don’t want to screw myself early and turn into a hulk of sorts after 20. My only concearn is becoming slow, which would seriously injur my martial arts career. I hope I can get most of this done by mid-summer. Lots of competition then. Any more advice? I promise I wont mouth off anymore.
[quote]Vince12413 wrote:
Watson2K5 wrote:
From what I gather your goal is to have a medium build (Zane has a heavy build in that pic) with lots of definition… to do this you have to
For some reason, I feel that Zane is more on the ripped side. Proff X has a heavy build. We may disagree on it, but that’s fine.
Once I gain all the muscle I need, how do I rip all of the fat off? HOT-ROX? I know I can’t do both at once. From what I’ve heard, I’ll probably boost back up to 210-220, that’s as high as I feel is safe. Most men in my family gain alot of weight as an adult and I don’t want to screw myself early and turn into a hulk of sorts after 20. My only concearn is becoming slow, which would seriously injur my martial arts career. I hope I can get most of this done by mid-summer. Lots of competition then. Any more advice? I promise I wont mouth off anymore.[/quote]
It probably seems like Zane is smaller than he really is because the picture was a certain angle. Also, he’s a bodybuilder so he goes for balance in all muscles so he wont look that big from far away.
The average person will probably be intimidated by the size if they stood next to him in person.
[quote]harhar wrote:
…It probably seems like Zane is smaller than he really is because the picture was a certain angle…[/quote]
True. Also, if he is that big and that lean, you have to realize how massive he would be at a non-contest bodyfat percentage. The pure size of professional bodybuilders is amazing.
Just to hug Zane’s nuts a little bit, I would say that he is the last elite pro that I truly find aesthetically pleasing. There is a distinction between aesthetic appeal and impressiveness. Today’s breed, to my youthful eyes, certainly looks impressive, but nothing more.
~Terumo
http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/./1/.1109841697487.Zane.jpg
Well this looks like a good thread to get involved in.
Anyway, this might give a slightly better picture of Zane. He is known more for symmetry then anything. No single part of him was humongous, but he was big everywhere except the waist.
Hopefully Vince was honest in his statement of not mouthing off. I realize you want information, and people took the treatment of your goals personally, but you shouldn’t have. Though they should also understand you are new, and need a little more knowledge. Realize this place is full of great information, and many of the people here are top notch.
Also respect Prof. X. He is not only a doctor, but has plenty of knowledge about lifting, so listen to his advice because he knows his shit. Other then politics that is. (Had to say it. :^P )
Now lets get serious. First read this article:
http://t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=460553
It will put things into perspective as to how important supplements really are. Then read this:
http://t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459493
These 7 habits are most of what you need as far as diet, and should give you some basics, of which you can search for more detail on anything you want to learn more about.
Now decide on bulking or cutting. Want to get real lean? Then T-Dawg 2.0 for diet, and Meltdown training for exercise.
Tabata for a torturous exercise to burn fat all day long, but search out HIIT or the running man article by Thibaudeau. (My spell checker thinks it should be spelled Thibodaux.)
I will let you search for these articles by yourself.
As far as bulking, there are a ton of articles, but many like EDT, and Anti Bodybuilding for bulking. (These are just two of many.) Massive Eating will let you bulk up while controlling fat gain.
Now here is one more article, but it really is only good after getting as lean as possible, and the results last for a real short time:
http://t-nation.com/readTopic.don?id=459329&pageNo=-1#bottom
Now these are techniques used to make bodybuilders have super thin skin for a show. But this is serious business, and should be done intelligently, but could give you thinner skin the Bruce Lee.
Now about Bruce Lee, there are so many myths surrounding him it is hard to really get at the truth, and so many people either idolize him thinking everything is true, while others want to demonize him because they believe everything is false.
I respect him myself, but realize he was a real person, not some comic book character. He created the martial arts movie, and helped Chuck Norris get his start. Created Kung Fu the movie, and lost it to Carradine because the tv execs were bigots to afraid to make a true Chinese person a leading character.
Now he may have had a medical condition that caused his death, as he lost a substantial amount of weight right before he died, but he thought it was proof of him being healthy, but that was wrong. (Yes, pot may have been a big factor, but I don’t think it was the only one.)
As far as training, while he was strong, and did lift weights, he had a lot of misconceptions about it, including the fear of becoming muscle bound.
Have I covered everything?
Yes! But the last link doesnt seem to work.
HTTP Status 404 - /readTopic.don
Let?s try again. For some reason part of the link is missing. Somewhere in the middle.
[quote]Vince12413 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Terumo wrote:
And for everyone else, be nice to this guy! Who the fuck doesn’t wanna look like Zane???
~Terumo
This guy wants to look like a Mr. Olympia but doesn’t want any size, only lifts light weights and thinks that Bruce Lee decided that he wanted to only weigh as much as he did. He is delusional. That needs to be pointed out to him and it needs to be driven into his skull until it sticks. Frank Zane didn’t lift light weights to look like that. To my knowledge, Bruce Lee trained his ass off and looked like that ONLY because of his genetics, not because he walked in the gym and avoided all heavy weights. Martial arts training or not, this guy is skinny and to be as tall as he is while trying to weigh as much as someone MUCH shorter than he is just happens to be a little stupid. I’m sorry if that hurt his or your feelings but it is the truth. I can understand the concept of weight classes, however, I do not understand people who walk around thinking that being as skinny as possible will help in their martial arts training. He might as well not lift. Why waste time in the gym like that? Light weights? For what purpose? Aerobics? He might as well use his martial arts as his only training and stay out of the way of people with real goals in the gym.
To burn fat and optimize my body. I never said bruce lee got that way from lifting light weights. To my knowlage he never lifted any weights. His muscles were still developed, and he has been an inspiration to me during my entire martial arts career. That’s why I wanted to become so ripped. It worked for him, so my initial guess was that It would work for me aswell. I’m not as skinny as bruce lee is, nor do I want to be. I want to have my muscles developed and to SHOW like his did. I don’t want to be some fat ass redneck like the one who benched 1000lbs ONCE. You’re a very ignorant person and I would prefer if you stop posting things about me. I’m done with you and I hope you learn a thing or two.[/quote]
Just so you know, Bruce Lee ABSOLUTELY DID lift weights. He tried absolutely anything to get an advantage, and weight training was one of those. I’ve heard of him being capable of 90lbs dumbell curls, for example. It’s in pretty much any documentary or biography I’ve seen about Bruce Lee, and if I remember correctly, his book, the Tao of Jeet Kun Do also mentions it (although I haven’t read it in long enough to remember for sure).