That’s why I said recreational. I don’t think he’s using anything for medicinal value, cocaine and crack are the most addictive drugs statistically, and any uses will have more legal alternatives. I’m disappointed in myself, I said I wasn’t coming back to this thread.
CRACK cocaine has zero medicinal value… literally zero… Cocaine on the other hand has limited medicinal use. Can be used as an anaesthetic for nasal surgeries, dental procedures etc and as a vasoconstrictor pertaining to procedures involving the upper respiratory tract.
Major disadvantages are obviously the arrhythmogenic potential, the cardiovascular toxicity… but to be honest in a healthy man/woman brief exposure is very unlikely to lead to serious complications. Most surgical scenarios have preferable alternatives, but it still has legitimate use in medicine.
When someone is using crack/has used crack I typically stop to think “why”. Very few “happy” people (or those without underlying psychiatric illness) will get up and think “I’m going to try crack today”. There’s typically an underlying reason as to why someone would be willing to cross this kind of boundary.
I think OP would be better suited by seeking support, perhaps a psychotherapeutic consultation… Shitting on him isn’t going to help anyone. Honestly, some people are just… extremely prone to taking risks, even without any underlying environmental variables enabling addiction, even without psychiatric aberrations. It’s very rare… but it happens…
99.9% of the time it’s the individual is unhappy, looking for an escape.
I think we’ve both been on this site long enough to know that this is in no way a replacement for mental health counseling. I’m still not sure he’s serious.
Crack and cocaine have similar mechanisms of action, problem is they lead to addiction much faster than other drugs because of their huge impact on dopamine. They causes an immediate drop in your bodies own production after the first use requiring increasingly higher and more frequent use.
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Agreed
They’re literally the same substance, crack cocaine is freebased and can be smoked. Crosses the blood brain barrier faster. Cocaine when insufflated takes minutes to elicit the desired effect within the individual abusing the substance, crack is effective in seconds. Both are highly addictive, though crack cocaine is a step higher. Despite cocaine being one of the most addictive drugs, it’s also one of the most commonly abused substances within society. I believe around 1/10 adults have tried it in the US, Aus etc… Not “common” but not “uncommon”, even more common amongst youths. Alcohol and tobacco are also considered some of the most addictive drugs. Not rationalising or supporting cocaine use as is a tremendously destructive substance that mediates a LOT of misery around the glove. There are no upsides to using something like this; but at the same time the statistical majority who experiment with it won’t get hooked.
It’s very possible crack cocaine would have never found its way into the US had Ronald Reagan not funded contras in Nicaragua.
Nicotine also induces dopaminergic dysregulation, albeit not as quickly as the abuse of cocaine would. MDMA depletes serotonin. Anabolic steroids also tend to deplete dopamine, induce neurological dysregulation (particularly 19-nors) albeit for the most part not in a manner comparable to chronic intake of cocaine
Neurological dysregulation isn’t unique to cocaine abuse. The DEGREE to which it fucks with neurotransmission however is rather unique.
Same here. I cant believe this is a serious topic. I cant even believe it is allowed to keep going. Administrators shut down topics for much less, but this freakshow is just going on…
Anyways, it has gone sooo much way over the line that i dont believe anything will trump it so yea, i kinda feel my brain melting every time i read a reply from OP.
Im also out.
I criticized OP highly for his DNP use in his last thread, I believe.
I think he definitely belongs on this site and that moderators are not shutting down discussions over less. There’s rules in this forum and they get applied really strictly but not unfairly. OP didn’t break them.
It is really of no help to shit on someone like OP. If somebody has good suggestions, I think he would have gotten some, but the truth is (probably) that we all are not really big on SARMs and DNP. So we can’t help him besides telling him why and suggesting less use and more intelligent use.
Iron yuppie have really good advice. OP seems to be hell bent on destroying his body for less results and with more risk than with AAS (of which if I remember correctly he has used many including Tren).
I think it’s not thought-out to do it this way, but if you report back @berserker87 that’s a good thing. First, we get a report, second we get side effect profiles for combined use, third we will know how toxic it is. So I hope you are going to report, but I really hope you don’t take all of this stuff and combine it randomly.
Don’t you find it intriguing as to just now risk averse some people are?
What makes someone this way?
lol without risking my health 
dude stop you’re an idiot , seriously, how are humans this dumb ?!
I think you need to speak with a friend or counselor… I am not being cute.
You seem to be emotionally married to the idea of doing a lot at once, without a logical reason to do so…it’s like a drug user vibe, “hey man, let’s take all this shit.”
I say that because of this: a logical sequence (much simplified) is:
Determine the goal.
Assess the technologies/methodologies needed to get there.
Develop a plan to acquire and/or learn and then to apply the appropriate technologies or methods.
In your case, the goal seems to be “to do a lot of shit” which is not really a goal (it’s an action or plan). The question is, “Why?”
Because the plan does not lead toward any stated rational goal.
If you want to volunteer as a human guinea pig, you could start with one SARM and then add one every, say, two weeks, getting bloods and posting your experience. I do not recommend this.
If you just do all at once or even cut back to starting with four, you still won’t know what is causing what. So, the whole thing will be a waste.
So, either believe us or get some counseling.
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This might be a cultural thing maybe. People in my part of the world are like this a lot and they are called - idiots.
We have people who drive drunk and kill themselves just trying to get more beer. We have a traditional festivities based on paganism, which require beer and building huge fires and then jumping over them - every year there are 100 idiots burned to death in those fires. We also have very shallow lakes, and every year 100 idiots break their necks jumping in em head first.
We have a lot of low iq people, who are also alchoholic - for us, it is the norm, to firstly get drunk and get smokes, and only THEN think about paying the rent.
Most of the country can be bought in elections just by giving something free in election campaigns(i mean like some snacks or booze).
This dude taking all the sarms is just an average village idiot in the place i live in - most newbies would do it if they would get FREE sarms…
totally honestly - when i was like 20, i would start with 1-2 sarms, and if they wouldnt turn me into a pro bodybuilder, i probably would also pop em all…
I find that it is just a lack of intellect and lack of education. That is not interesting as MOST people around me are exactly like that - only not about sarms, but about drugs, alchohol, drunk driving, jumping from roofs with skateboards etc. They all know they can die, but - “YOLO ahahahahaha”. Its just moronic and kills my hopes for mankind as such.
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Whats up with all the psychological analysis guys?
I just wanted some dry facts so i can lay out a plan the suits my needs, but i guess i will have to pay dan ankrom 35$ for a phone session as it apears most people here dont have the mental capacity to lay their predjudence asside long enough to see things for what they are.
Back to the topic at hand; im ptobably going to do a cycle of the following:
Ostarine
S4
Sr9009
Cardarine
Mk677 (maybe)
See how that goes for a while a long side with say 300-400 mg of dnp ED.
The dnp i will run 3 weeks max, the rest 3 months.
If I feel I hit a plateau I might throw in one of the harder stuff instead of ostarine say ligandrol for example.
I gave you that exact answer. If you’re going to ignore it that’s your call. But don’t act like people haven’t laid out some information for you.
Answer: many fellows on this site, who have years of hard core experience and tremendous knowledge, were trying to help you to not hurt yourself.
There is nothing in it for them. They, like unreal, hankthetank, iron yuppie, etc., are just good people.
The specific reason for the psychological analysis is that you seemed to need it —your intended plan is dangerous and without a good, offsetting reason.
Yet you persisted in wanting to do the plan after the danger and lack of rationale for taking the risk were pointed out.
That is consistent with having a personal problem. That does not make you bad or wrong.
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Ok i finally got my stuff.
This is going to be a report for those who were intrested.
My stack;
Cardarine: 20mg
Ostarine: 20mg
Sr 9009: ~ 20mg
Rad 140: 10mg
Ligandrol: 10 mg
Because i just started hiting the gym at the same time as i started with this cycle (yesterday) its going to be hard to tell what result is from the gear and what is from a long rest period.
I believe that by the seven day mark i will be able to say for sure if the stuff is working or not.
Btw i never got my dnp so i will be doing this recomp without it for now.
Planning on running 30 minutes 4 times a week and weights i will probably do daily.
You plan on lifting seven days per week? I’ve done that before, it’s not sustainable. At least for me it wasn’t.
Have you tried running on gear? The pumps can be quite painful.
What do you think about cycling (bike riding)? 30 minutes isn’t good enough for cycling though. I’d do (and still do) between 60-120 minutes per cycle. 180 minutes if I was feeling extra bored. Don’t really have the time for that anymore, aside from weekends.
I workout 6 days a week ehen i have time without gear. So on gear i would do it daily or even twice a day sometimes.
10mg of lgd and 10 mg of rad hopefully isnt strong enough to give me painfull pumps in my calf.
Yes i have run on gear before but like low dose test, var, eq, primo etc…
I dont do dboll or that kind of shit
As for cycling im not a huge fan, i prefer running or hiking to any form of cardio.
Ok its been a while, i figured i would give you guys an update of my experience with sarms so far…
I started with ostarine at the beginning roughly 20-30 mg for three days and felt it working from day one, very mild but pumps would persist longer slight drying effect and more separation in the muscles.
After that i incorporated cardarine for the remainder of the week and cardio was a breeze.
On the second week is where i started going crazy;
Ostarine: 30mg
Cardarine: 20mg
Ligandrol: 10mg
Rad 140: 10- 15mg
Sr 9009: ~30mg
Mk677: 25- 30mg
I did that for a week and saw some serious improvements in every aspect, diet wasnt clean (because it hardly ever is) but not terrible enough protein and calories.
After two weeks of that i decided to change out the rad140 with yk-11 and andarine so for another two months after that my cycle was such;
Ostarine: 30mg
Super cardarine: ~15mg
Ligandrol: 10mg
Sr 9009: ~30mg
Mk677: 30mg
Yk11: 15mg
S4: 50mg
I felt WAY better with this combination, do not like rad140 one bit, it made me really agitated and on edge all the time and resaults werent that impressive, switching to yk11 gave better resaults and better mood, only side effect it grew new hair in places.
S4 would dry me the fuck out to the point where i looked smaller, i notoced when i forgot to take a dose i look fuller.
Super cardarine as opposed to regular cardarine made my cardio insanely easy.
Yk11 made my mood good and packed on size and gave me pumps and strength like crazy compared to most of the other ones i noticed on days when i accidentally took 20mg.
Ligandrol moght be my favorite one it makes you bigger imediatly from first administration.
Mk 677: made my hair fuller and my skin smooth and i slept 6 hours on it and felt like 8, also makes you kind of tired which is good when you take it during the night, day time i would get the munchies on it.
Sr 9009: not sure if it had any significant effect, except if i took it too close to bed time i wouldnt be able to sleep.
Overall my experience with sarms is a very good one, i compare it more to creatine than steroids, it gives you a pump in the gym and while you are not in the gym the pump goes mostly away unlike steroids where the volume of the muscles dont change very much inside or outside the gym imo.
So basically bigger pumps, possibly slight mood differences but nothing drastic (except rad140)
I jumped off cycle without pct at all and even stopped training for just over a month, very slight depression was felt zero impact on libido however and when i eventually did go back to the gym most of my muscles that i had gained from the cycle were kept imo.
At the moment i have started a new cycle;
Ligandrol: 10mg
Ostarine: 30mg
Super cardarine: 10-15mg
Andarine: 60mg
Mk677: 40mg
Sr 9009: <30mg
Did that for two weeks now, to regain some muscle and now that i recieved my dnp, finally i have the following cycle;
Ostarine: 30mg
Supercardarine: 15 mg
Andarine: 100mg
Mk 677: 30mg
Sr 9009: <30mg
Dnp: 400- 800mg (depending on the day and toleration for sides)
Obviously i have started a cutting phase, this time i have a body composition analysis to track and monitor my progress since the beginning of the cycle.
I will update with the dry facts instead of pictures as they can be deceiving.
Diet isnt impecable to be honest, i try to eat a lot of fruit and lay off the crap for the most and get decent protein.
Cardio almost every day light weight training as on dnp its too hard and walking around a bunch when possible.
My diet could be better though, im not very strict as the mood swimgs that accompany it isnt good for business, but from my experience you dont need to have a perfect diet on dnp.
What i like about sarms is that you walk into the gym flat and get a crazy massive pump while your there, so its not like steroids where its obvious somebody is juicing because he already has canonball delts when he steps inside the facility.
pictures are the only facts that most here will believe. If you didn’t make photo-visible progress on all this shit, then you’ve fully met my expectations for this thread.
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@Andrewgen_Receptors wrote what i was going to say… I am happy for everyone who trains, gains progress and is happy with their life. But for a forum, for a feedback, for people following - plain text doesnt mean anything. You didnt write anything unbelievable, so this is not the case of “anyone can write anything” but its just that we dont get any understanding of how sarms work because we dont see the actual progress. You basically just wrote a page in a diary. For an actual forum with followers its worthless.
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