Gsp and his coaches always put together a great game plan, as many have said, its not always that exciting, but it sure is effective.
Exactly! And GSP follows his gameplan. He doesn’t get drawn into something else, which so many other fighters admit they do after they lose.
Just further proof how crap MMA fighter’s striking is in general. Gsp is talented and smart enough to acknowledge his weaknesses and literally beat Koscheck with one hand. Just goes to show the awesomeness of boxing and GSP realized this and went to Roach for bringing this out.
The ‘boxing’ coaches for MMA fighters are nothing compared to pure breed boxing coaches like the Roaches, the Ray Arcel’s or Angelo Dundee’s.
The other thing that makes me cringe his hear all these mmaers talk about their ‘muay thai’ training or coaches. I’m yet to see a decent MMAer with great Muay Thai skills. We saw flashes of it with Silva at times but apart from that, nothing.
MMA is evolving for sure but until they acknowledge their weaknesses, it will look like a scappy yard fight with small gloves. The wrestling and BJJ part of it seems to be developing faster than the boxing and Muay Thai. Now that GSP did this number on KOS, watch the whole world turn to pro boxers more.
[quote]humble wrote:
Just further proof how crap MMA fighter’s striking is in general. Gsp is talented and smart enough to acknowledge his weaknesses and literally beat Koscheck with one hand. Just goes to show the awesomeness of boxing and GSP realized this and went to Roach for bringing this out.
The ‘boxing’ coaches for MMA fighters are nothing compared to pure breed boxing coaches like the Roaches, the Ray Arcel’s or Angelo Dundee’s.
The other thing that makes me cringe his hear all these mmaers talk about their ‘muay thai’ training or coaches. I’m yet to see a decent MMAer with great Muay Thai skills. We saw flashes of it with Silva at times but apart from that, nothing.
MMA is evolving for sure but until they acknowledge their weaknesses, it will look like a scappy yard fight with small gloves. The wrestling and BJJ part of it seems to be developing faster than the boxing and Muay Thai. Now that GSP did this number on KOS, watch the whole world turn to pro boxers more.[/quote]
He only worked with Roach a few times and states the jab strategy was from Firas and Howard Grant dude nor Roach.
[quote]rundymc wrote:
If there was ever a striking clinic run in the UFC by anyone not named Lyoto or Mauricio, this was it.
That said, was I the only one who thought Georges’ shots weren’t as quick or sharp as they were in the Alves and Hardy fights? His first two looked like they weren’t setup right, and GSP didn’t close distance the way he did with Alves. He had me concerned until those last two rounds (the second last shot was awesome, totally opportunistic catching Kos off-balance like that.)[/quote]
or BJ, or Frankie, or Anderson, or Rampage.
I’m ambivalent about this fight. On the one hand it was one of the more boring fights I’ve seen. On the other hand GSP knew what Josh was trying to do (Get under his skin and turn it into a brawl) and he kept his cool and totally neutralized josh’s plan. At the end of the day I’ve gotta give props to GSP for doing exactly what it took to win.
I think the most surprising part of this fight was how much better josh got since his first fight. His standup not only improved but his takedown defense has drastically improved. AKA is turning into the westside barbell of mixed martial arts.
Great performance by GSP, but I wish he would cut the “sorry I didn’t finish him, that was my goal” bullshit that follows every single one of his fights these days. He never once tried to finish Kos and to pretend like his gameplan was anything other than staying out of danger and winning on points is ridiculous. If he won’t go for the kill against a terrible striker with one eye completely shut I honestly don’t see him finishing an elite 170’er unless he is handed a RNC or drops someone with a jab.
[quote]humble wrote:
The other thing that makes me cringe his hear all these mmaers talk about their ‘muay thai’ training or coaches. I’m yet to see a decent MMAer with great Muay Thai skills. We saw flashes of it with Silva at times but apart from that, nothing.
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I see more “flashes” of it in Thiago Alves…Amir Saldollah…and the soon-to-be big name fighter,Edson Barbosa.
[quote]chitown34 wrote:
Great performance by GSP, but I wish he would cut the “sorry I didn’t finish him, that was my goal” bullshit that follows every single one of his fights these days. He never once tried to finish Kos and to pretend like his gameplan was anything other than staying out of danger and winning on points is ridiculous. If he won’t go for the kill against a terrible striker with one eye completely shut I honestly don’t see him finishing an elite 170’er unless he is handed a RNC or drops someone with a jab.[/quote]
The good part is he doesn’t have to finishe anyone. Why should he? To please a bunch of people that only think they understand mma?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]chitown34 wrote:
Great performance by GSP, but I wish he would cut the “sorry I didn’t finish him, that was my goal” bullshit that follows every single one of his fights these days. He never once tried to finish Kos and to pretend like his gameplan was anything other than staying out of danger and winning on points is ridiculous. If he won’t go for the kill against a terrible striker with one eye completely shut I honestly don’t see him finishing an elite 170’er unless he is handed a RNC or drops someone with a jab.[/quote]
The good part is he doesn’t have to finishe anyone. Why should he? To please a bunch of people that only think they understand mma?[/quote]
I somewhat have this frustration with some fans…but at the same time,I understand their frustration with GSP not “finishing” fights. But in my opinion,when the last bell sounds and you’ve convincingly out-classed your opponent…it’s a “finished” fight.
Yeah…I would love to see snot-flying KO’s…but damn…this is a sport. Not a bar room fight…nor is it street-fighting which tends to be void of any strategy or common sense.
OR we could just be entertained by fighters shadowboxing their opponent…lol.
How the fuck does anyone think this is boring? GSP put on a fight clinic, plain and simple. This is ‘prize’ fighting at it’s best. Pure control of another fighter and causing major damage. Imagine if, like in boxing, these fights would go 12 rounds…
To constantly expect, or want, a knock out shows you do not know as much about fighting as a sport as you think you do.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]chitown34 wrote:
Great performance by GSP, but I wish he would cut the “sorry I didn’t finish him, that was my goal” bullshit that follows every single one of his fights these days. He never once tried to finish Kos and to pretend like his gameplan was anything other than staying out of danger and winning on points is ridiculous. If he won’t go for the kill against a terrible striker with one eye completely shut I honestly don’t see him finishing an elite 170’er unless he is handed a RNC or drops someone with a jab.[/quote]
The good part is he doesn’t have to finishe anyone. Why should he? To please a bunch of people that only think they understand mma?[/quote]
I have no problem with GSP fighting smart and not taking risks. Like I said before, it gets annoying when he constantly apologizes for not finishing fights as if he was trying to.
[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
[quote]humble wrote:
The other thing that makes me cringe his hear all these mmaers talk about their ‘muay thai’ training or coaches. I’m yet to see a decent MMAer with great Muay Thai skills. We saw flashes of it with Silva at times but apart from that, nothing.
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I see more “flashes” of it in Thiago Alves…Amir Saldollah…and the soon-to-be big name fighter,Edson Barbosa. [/quote]
Alves is mostly a kickboxer. He kicks and punches technically and well but is not fluid enough as a Muay Thai stylist. Amir a little, but his technique is still very weighed down by his tae kwon do back ground, Barboza on the other hand doesn’t have flashes of it, his whole style is devastatingly dictated by it, top fighter and nice Muay thai skills. Point being, more time spent on professional boxing and muay thai training will see the whole of MMA respected more by boxing and Muay Thai purists, see MMA purists and fans enjoy it a hell of a lot more too.
I’m trying to say this without arrogance but whenever I get MMA guys come around to spar us at our gym, and they come to spar to improve their stand up, they all get owned big time and resort to getting in the shoot positions grabbing double legs and we have to remind them, we aren’t there for that. It’s a reflex mechanism when the shit hit’s the fan for most MMAer’s. Josh’s arrogance though was too strong to change his tactics, plans and alter his approach and he paid for it severely by thinking he could beat something as effective as a solid stiff jab without proper training.
I don’t think he improved much at all contrary to what others have been saying. He looked way out of his league and not up to it.
Only enjoyable fight now would be GSP vs Silva at a catch weight.
[quote]sardines12 wrote:
[quote]rundymc wrote:
If there was ever a striking clinic run in the UFC by anyone not named Lyoto or Mauricio, this was it.
That said, was I the only one who thought Georges’ shots weren’t as quick or sharp as they were in the Alves and Hardy fights? His first two looked like they weren’t setup right, and GSP didn’t close distance the way he did with Alves. He had me concerned until those last two rounds (the second last shot was awesome, totally opportunistic catching Kos off-balance like that.)[/quote]
or BJ, or Frankie, or Anderson, or Rampage.[/quote]
Agreed, but Page doesn’t belong in there. His boxing is crisp and technical, but he has issues fighting guys on the outside (and with kicks).
Anyone who thinks this fight was boring should probably be watching K1. That was a technical, scientific, deconstruction of a fighter we saw last night. Don’t get me wrong, I love a good war, but the way GSP takes guys apart with his skillset is entertaining.
Also, it wasn’t like he was running the whole fight. He landed a ton of power shots, and for the most part didn’t have any land on him. A good fight isn’t all about the finish.
I have to admit that I love a good highlight-reel KO or TKO a la Wanderlei in his PRIDE days. It’s just cool. That being said, this was a how-to clinic on taking apart a wrestler with standup technique, and I enjoyed watching ever jab Kos ate.
I have to wonder though, how many of those do you walk into before your corner can come up with a solution?
[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
I have to admit that I love a good highlight-reel KO or TKO a la Wanderlei in his PRIDE days. It’s just cool. That being said, this was a how-to clinic on taking apart a wrestler with standup technique, and I enjoyed watching ever jab Kos ate.
I have to wonder though, how many of those do you walk into before your corner can come up with a solution? [/quote]
Id be willing to bet that after the broken orbital/closed eye, alot of whatever plan they had was out the window. He said he wanted to stand and bang, but with only one eye that doesnt seem too clever.
[quote]Beast Status wrote:
[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
I have to admit that I love a good highlight-reel KO or TKO a la Wanderlei in his PRIDE days. It’s just cool. That being said, this was a how-to clinic on taking apart a wrestler with standup technique, and I enjoyed watching ever jab Kos ate.
I have to wonder though, how many of those do you walk into before your corner can come up with a solution? [/quote]
Id be willing to bet that after the broken orbital/closed eye, alot of whatever plan they had was out the window. He said he wanted to stand and bang, but with only one eye that doesnt seem too clever.[/quote]
And considering that GSP is a better stand-up fighter, a bad plan to begin with.
Personally, I know I’m about to fight a wrestler. I’m not going to make takedown and G&P my gameplan, because I know he’s better at it than I am. Maybe if Kos had a little humility (or a coach willing to tell him how it is) he’d have tried to keep this fight where he’s stronger instead of trying to prove something.
[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
I have to admit that I love a good highlight-reel KO or TKO a la Wanderlei in his PRIDE days. It’s just cool. That being said, this was a how-to clinic on taking apart a wrestler with standup technique, and I enjoyed watching ever jab Kos ate.
I have to wonder though, how many of those do you walk into before your corner can come up with a solution? [/quote]
It had little to do with Kos being a wrestler.
[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
And considering that GSP is a better stand-up fighter, a bad plan to begin with.
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But realistically, it was still his best chance of winning. He was not going to beat GSP in a MMA wrestling match; GSP proved that in their first fight and again in this fight. He doesn’t have the set-up skills/timing necessary to really catch GSP off guard with his takedowns and even if he got it there, doesn’t have the skills to be able to gain a dominant position and either GnP his way to a TKO or submit GSP.
Really his only chance at victory in this fight was landing his big looping right hand on GSP’s chin. Unfortunately for him, GSP knew this and implemented a perfect game plan to nullify the chances of that happening.
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Personally, I know I’m about to fight a wrestler. I’m not going to make takedown and G&P my gameplan, because I know he’s better at it than I am. Maybe if Kos had a little humility (or a coach willing to tell him how it is) he’d have tried to keep this fight where he’s stronger instead of trying to prove something.[/quote]
I’m all for taking the fight to where you have the best chances of winning/your opponent’s weaknesses/your strengths. But, if your opponent is just plain better than you at every aspect of the game (including where you are best), then you might have to take a different approach.
Since losing to Matt Hughes via a sweet armbar, the only weakness that GSP has displayed (and the cause of his only loss since gaining the belt) is that he can be KO’d/TKO’d. Kos probably figured that this fact, combined with his recent success with landing his right hand and KO’ing people represented his best chance of taking GSP’s belt.
The fight only had a couple of lulls e.g. one time against the cage when herb dean separated them for inaction. For the most part I found it exciting and the fans did too. You could hear when GSP put together some combination’s together they would get loud. If he had put together a few more of those up-tempo periods I think he might have gotten the tko.
Regardless, that “jab a thon” was not boring and in fact with it he helped as Rogan said take mma another step forward.