St. Pierre vs. Koscheck

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Fistiecuffs wrote:
GSP in pretty much every category of MMA, so Kos’s changes are pretty questionable. I think GSP will get his TKO/Sub this time though, Kos isn’t tough enough to hang with GSP for 5 rounds. GSP Sub (Kimura) R4[/quote]

Kos isn’t "tough enough? What does that mean? The guy is a three time NCAA Division I wrestling champion. This makes him the most decorated wrestler in UFC history. In addition to this he has some very serious power in either hand and is not afraid to mix it up. And the last time that he fought GSP he lost, but by decision. So you’re going to have to tell me why this guy is not “tough enough” to hang with GSP.

And why GSP submits him when he couldn’t submit either Alves, or Hardy who is not known for a great ground game. I have no idea who will win but those counting out Koscheck might be doing so because they don’t like him. And not liking someone’s personality (there’s a lot to hate in Kos) is not a good reason to bet against them.

(I had to pick this thread up a little it was sagging :slight_smile:
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I just have a feeling, nothing more. I think after GSP is gonna hit and run standing, frustrate him and take him down all the time for some more aggressive GnP, GSP is going to be able to catch that submission at some point. If not, he will pound Kos till the ref stops the fight. And as Joe Rogan and all those guys in the TV say, wrestlers don’t like to be put on their back :wink: .

What comes to all the stuff about GSP not being able to finish Hardy and Alves, if he really is willing to sacrifice a little bit of his own safety this time and really put on some seriously aggressive GnP and constantly look to finish Kos or hurt him bad, I think the results are going to be a bit more than just a decision. GSP and Kos fought quite a some time ago, Kos we are seeing in the UFC today has improved since, but I really do believe GSP has improved way more. Besides, if you want to look at it like that GSP outwrestled Kos in the first encounter, and I believe GSP’s wrestling has improved more since that fight.

And what you said about not liking Kos, that is also true in my case, but I still believe GSP is going to get his finish here. At least I desperately hope this is more than a boring onesided display of takedowns and wrestling that ends up with GSP getting his hand raised after 25 minutes of action.

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[quote]Fistiecuffs wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Fistiecuffs wrote:
GSP in pretty much every category of MMA, so Kos’s changes are pretty questionable. I think GSP will get his TKO/Sub this time though, Kos isn’t tough enough to hang with GSP for 5 rounds. GSP Sub (Kimura) R4[/quote]

Kos isn’t "tough enough? What does that mean? The guy is a three time NCAA Division I wrestling champion. This makes him the most decorated wrestler in UFC history. In addition to this he has some very serious power in either hand and is not afraid to mix it up. And the last time that he fought GSP he lost, but by decision. So you’re going to have to tell me why this guy is not “tough enough” to hang with GSP.

And why GSP submits him when he couldn’t submit either Alves, or Hardy who is not known for a great ground game. I have no idea who will win but those counting out Koscheck might be doing so because they don’t like him. And not liking someone’s personality (there’s a lot to hate in Kos) is not a good reason to bet against them.

(I had to pick this thread up a little it was sagging :slight_smile:
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I just have a feeling, nothing more. I think after GSP is gonna hit and run standing, frustrate him and take him down all the time for some more aggressive GnP, GSP is going to be able to catch that submission at some point. If not, he will pound Kos till the ref stops the fight. And as Joe Rogan and all those guys in the TV say, wrestlers don’t like to be put on their back :wink: .

What comes to all the stuff about GSP not being able to finish Hardy and Alves, if he really is willing to sacrifice a little bit of his own safety this time and really put on some seriously aggressive GnP and constantly look to finish Kos or hurt him bad, I think the results are going to be a bit more than just a decision. GSP and Kos fought quite a some time ago, Kos we are seeing in the UFC today has improved since, but I really do believe GSP has improved way more. Besides, if you want to look at it like that GSP outwrestled Kos in the first encounter, and I believe GSP’s wrestling has improved more since that fight.

And what you said about not liking Kos, that is also true in my case, but I still believe GSP is going to get his finish here. At least I desperately hope this is more than a boring onesided display of takedowns and wrestling that ends up with GSP getting his hand raised after 25 minutes of action.[/quote]

Nice response, I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. I think this is going to be an exciting fight.

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I would love to see GSP destroy Koscheck. Koscheck was just such a douche during TUF that it seems impossible to like him.

I can understand why some may NOT like GSP (French-Canadian, foreign accent, kinda socially awkward lol, and the UFC media favorite), but I really have no idea why anyone WOULD like Koscheck. He’s a jackass, tried to be funny and wasn’t, and really isn’t a great fighter either. He hasn’t beaten guys as good as Fitch, Alves, or Hardy. I’m not totally sure he even deserves a shot at GSP, does he?

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[quote]dtarner wrote:
I would love to see GSP destroy Koscheck. Koscheck was just such a douche during TUF that it seems impossible to like him.

I can understand why some may NOT like GSP (French-Canadian, foreign accent, kinda socially awkward lol, and the UFC media favorite), but I really have no idea why anyone WOULD like Koscheck. He’s a jackass, tried to be funny and wasn’t, and really isn’t a great fighter either. He hasn’t beaten guys as good as Fitch, Alves, or Hardy. I’m not totally sure he even deserves a shot at GSP, does he?

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Cool bro I just want to see a good fight.

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imagine the victory speech by koscheck…just imagine that giant pile of bullshit that will burble out of his stupid douchey face. I imagine that for one sec and then i hope GSP beats him so bad he passes out and shits his pants. i like GSP for his sportsmanship, but just once i would like see him to bite someones face, and that someone could be koscheck.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Kos isn’t "tough enough? What does that mean? The guy is a three time NCAA Division I wrestling champion. This makes him the most decorated wrestler in UFC history.[/quote]

I thought he was only NCAA Div I champ once? According to Wikipedia (yeah, yeah, I know, not the best source), in his 4 years he went 4th, 2nd, 1st, and 3rd. Nit-picking, but it never hurts to be correct.

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[quote]TheJonty wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Kos isn’t "tough enough? What does that mean? The guy is a three time NCAA Division I wrestling champion. This makes him the most decorated wrestler in UFC history.

I thought he was only NCAA Div I champ once? According to Wikipedia (yeah, yeah, I know, not the best source), in his 4 years he went 4th, 2nd, 1st, and 3rd. Nit-picking, but it never hurts to be correct.[/quote]

You are correct and I apologize for posting misinformation. It was not done intentionally as I pride myself on having my facts right, this time I erred in my haste. Your facts are spot on. Here is a little more interesting information on Kos, from his website:

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Incidentally I don’t especially like what I’m hearing from GSP. He sounds a little like a guy whose back is up against the wall. Some, on the inside say that they’ve never seen him so focused. But, what does that really mean? He has a record of 20-2 and I prefer to see him have the head he had during those 20 victory’s. I think Kos has gotten to him. Whether that will spell trouble for GSP we will find out in a few hours. But I wouldn’t be surprised if Kos takes the title tonight. Either he wins tonight or he loses BIG- very BIG. It is not a fight that I’m going to bet that’s for sure.

I would be interested in hearing from others who saw the weigh in and their thoughts.

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I love when someone has gotten under GSP’s skin. It means we get to see the kind of thrashing that he laid on BJ Penn. The look in his eyes when he walked (ran) out to the cage that night was totally different, and freaky. I think we’re seeing that kind of scary focus again. Cannot wait for this fight.

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Booooooooooooooooring

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Well, 5 round jab-a-thon ala GSP. Riddle and Pierson easily takes fight of the night in my eyes. Tough kid. Overall great card.

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[quote]ProfessorCHAOS96 wrote:
Well, 5 round jab-a-thon ala GSP. Riddle and Pierson easily takes fight of the night in my eyes. Tough kid. Overall great card.[/quote]
Yeah, i thought Riddle was finished after the first round. That was a hell of a fight

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Riddle and Pierson was “competitive”…but painful to watch. Like a bar fight that lasts too long.

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What’s that GSP can’t stand?

Or is the excuse now that Koscheck is really just actually a shit striker?

Dominating performance by GSP, I was a bit dissapointed that he didn’t press the action towards the end and KTFO Koscheck, but still, good shit.

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Even though I had hoped for GSP to finish the fight, I’m glad he didn’t press for it too much. You could tell her wanted the knock-out, especially at the end when he was disappointed. I know a lot of people think he always just beats himself up after every fighting saying he could do better just to win fans, but I don’t think you improve that much every single fight consistently unless he truly thinks he could have done better.

I’m glad it was at least an extremely unanimous decision, didn’t get any fights that were Rampage/Machida. (Stil don’t get how the one judge gave Rampage all three rounds).

So… as Joe Rogan put it, what’s next for GSP?

Marquet (sp?) lost didn’t he say he’d bump up to middleweight? The only one who poses ANY sort of threat is Fitch, especially after Jake Shields crappy performance, and after this fight I just don’t see Fitch winning.

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[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
What’s that GSP can’t stand?

Or is the excuse now that Koscheck is really just actually a shit striker?

Dominating performance by GSP, I was a bit dissapointed that he didn’t press the action towards the end and KTFO Koscheck, but still, good shit.[/quote]
He throws overhands was dominated by Alves and was TKO’d by Thiago. So yeah his standup is not good. For a guy to get jabbed to death means he is a shit striker.

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If there was ever a striking clinic run in the UFC by anyone not named Lyoto or Mauricio, this was it.

That said, was I the only one who thought Georges’ shots weren’t as quick or sharp as they were in the Alves and Hardy fights? His first two looked like they weren’t setup right, and GSP didn’t close distance the way he did with Alves. He had me concerned until those last two rounds (the second last shot was awesome, totally opportunistic catching Kos off-balance like that.)

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Alves had a nice performance, and we saw a bunch of nice subs by Miller and Bocek aswell. GSP’s jab clinic was efficient, not taking anything away from it, but thats not really the way to fight if you want your fucking finish, he could’ve gotten it if he just went out there to get it but… Win is a win, but not really all too exiting of a win. I’d really hope GSP would just put on some mass and go beat up some middleweights, there just isn’t much of competition for him in the WW.

Riddle - Piersson fight… I wasn’t sure if I shouldve cried or laughed. Riddle’s punching didn’t look good, and his gameplan was shit. Piersson should’ve smashed his face in and finished the fight, but he gassed, that stuff was painful to watch. Cutting Riddle after that would make sense IMO, but people in charge of this stuff just like to watch fighters chase eachother punching the air so its unlikely to happen.

Good show anyways, didn’t beat the K-1 WGP finals though.

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It seems the first Matt Serra fight is always foremost in GSP’s mind. He got caught by a guy he should have easily beaten and got pounded out. He’s not going to let that happen again. So he fights to win, makes a guy like Koscheck fight GSP’s fight and does not risk trading with a guy who has knockout power. It’s not as exciting as most of us want. The word that comes to mind is … clinical.

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It would have been nice to see GSP finish, but whatever… he beat the crap out of Koscheck and the fight was completely one sided.

GSP is what I’d call a “true” mixed martial artist, in that, he’s good enough everywhere to force his opponents to fight where they are weaker: he grapples the strikers, and strikes the grapplers, and there’s nothing they can do to put the fight back in their zones.