Better Christmas ideas:
Get some metal knee wraps, a good belt from elite, starting strength, and 30 lbs of ground beef.
Theres your 300 lb squat, if you play your cards right, 320 is doable.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Here’s the deal: My plifting coach, advised us if we could, go buy a suit. My parents needed a christmas idea. I’m lifting in competition, where other people will be using suits/shirts. Honestly, this suit just needs to last a year or two, once I can afford a nice suit (job,ect) I will buy one. Honestly I don’t need one, I know that. But that wasn’t the question. I have either available to me. They wll help, which should I get? I’m leaning towards the Champion suit I think.[/quote]
That’s what I figured. The kids from the other schools will likely be wearing suits as well. The good news is you don’t need a bench shirt in WHSPA.
Go to inzernet.net and check out the bargain rack. You could grab a new suit for $30 if you get lucky.
Also, depending on what your parent’s expectations are in terms of spending money, plgearonline.com is selling NXG+ Centurion suits. They are $100. The new Titan material is called Super+ and would not be a good first suit for you (plus it is more $) but I think a looser fit NXG+ would be fine and you can have the hips and straps taken in as you get more comfortable with it.
The main problem with a z-suit (and I would recommend it over the Champion because comfort should not be part of the evaluation process and it will perform better) is it will not stand up to much alteration and arguably won’t last as long as a Centurion.
Good luck and feel free to PM me with any questions. I train guys your age so have a pretty decent idea what will work and what won’t.
do smolov with just a belt, gain weight and you can probably hit 300 raw by Feb.
Get a singlet too, btw. Youll need one of those. Maybe this is what your coach meant when he said “get a suit”?
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Better Christmas ideas:
Get some metal knee wraps, a good belt from elite, starting strength, and 30 lbs of ground beef.
Theres your 300 lb squat, if you play your cards right, 320 is doable.[/quote]
Bro, you took the words right outta my mouth. Best advice on the entire thread.
Monopoly
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Better Christmas ideas:
Get some metal knee wraps, a good belt from elite, starting strength, and 30 lbs of ground beef.
Theres your 300 lb squat, if you play your cards right, 320 is doable.
Bro, you took the words right outta my mouth. Best advice on the entire thread.
Monopoly
[/quote]
It’s not the advice he was seeking.
It’s not like this is some profound advice that you should all be patting each other on the back for offering. I am sure the kid realizes he has a lot of work to do and assuming he has a reasonably competent coach he will hopefully get the support he needs. At his age gains will come rapidly if he does the right things.
He did not come on here and ask your opinions if training in a suit would make him weak, or how to improve his RAW squat, or if you think he is strong enough to buy a suit. He asked for advice in suit selection.
The bottom line is he is competing in a HS fed in a state where you can letter in PL and the turnout at the regional meets is sometimes stunning. Their state meet alone rivals many National and World level competitions in terms of attendance.
Many of these schools have gear that is shared, some don’t. It would appear his school either has no gear or it is already spoken for. They allow squat suits and wraps but no bench shirts. His coach told him to consider buying a suit. He has taken that recommendation seriously and has now posted here for advice on which one to buy.
Honestly reading shit like this is discouraging and really makes me think the majority of people contributing to these threads do not have any meaningful competitive experience and therefore have nothing to offer beyond telling a kid new to the sport with legitimate questions
that he is weak and needs to get stronger.
That’s not advice. It’s just stating the obvious.
What kind of suit do you think he will be able to get to parallel in squatting 300 lbs? I doubt a suit loose enough to hit depth in with that kind of weight is going to give him much carryover.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
What kind of suit do you think he will be able to get to parallel in squatting 300 lbs? I doubt a suit loose enough to hit depth in with that kind of weight is going to give him much carryover.[/quote]
He can hit depth in a z no problem. I have put light weight girls his age in z suits and they did jut fine. Have you ever worn one? Your making a big deal out of nothing.
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
I had a buddy of mine who got a suit last year and tried to squat in it with his max at the time (around 450) and he couldnt get it but halfway to parallel.
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I think I got my answer right here which leads to the question, “why are you on this thread offering advice about something you have no appreciable practical experience with?”
Hitting depth in a suit is more a function of technique, and depending on the material, speed of descent than it is amount of weight on the bar.
He may need to practice a little but per Pinto’s post, working on proper RAW technique will go a long way towards doing well in a suit.
I don’t think he is going to have any problems.
You can break parallel in an inzer champion. I’d assume the same as the z suit. That goes for power pants too if you only want briefs and not straps.
These suits have good pop from the bottom, but do not really hinder you breaking parallel with a near max unless you get the suit so tight, it turns your legs blue.
I like the champion suit. Its a great suit w/ very little learning curve. It accommodates all types of stances. I’d assume the same for the z suit. I believe the only difference is the leg stitching which keeps the legs from slipping and a slightly different crotch stitching. I have never worn a Z suit, so i can’t compare.
For now, Stay away from METAL. I found the learning curve to be fairly high in terms of dealing with near max poundages a lot to make the suit even get to parallel. I know when I was trying to hit 400 + all the way to 440, I always had to load the bar to almost my max to break parallel. If you gain weigh, the suit really has a problem breaking parallel. I blew mine out due to weight gain (10 lbs).
For a first suit, honestly, the z suit or champion. I can’t say which is better, maybe someone who’s had both can explain the difference.
I was able to break 225 or less in a champion suit. I would assume the same would go for a z suit. These suits, I guarantee, will suffice.
Also, if you’re allow wraps, use them, though get some practice in them. Some people have issues w/ walking out weights and you should know what you’re in for before using them the first time on the platform.
I’d say for christmas, idealy:
Champion or Z suit
Black metal wraps (if they cost too much, you could just go w/ inzer. The blacks are worth the money btw.)
A good belt from elitefts.
A singlet if you need one to bench in.
Not sure if you need wrist wraps, but if not, don’t worry about them.
[quote]Synthetickiller wrote:
You can break parallel in an inzer champion. I’d assume the same as the z suit. That goes for power pants too if you only want briefs and not straps.
These suits have good pop from the bottom, but do not really hinder you breaking parallel with a near max unless you get the suit so tight, it turns your legs blue.
I like the champion suit. Its a great suit w/ very little learning curve. It accommodates all types of stances. I’d assume the same for the z suit. I believe the only difference is the leg stitching which keeps the legs from slipping and a slightly different crotch stitching. I have never worn a Z suit, so i can’t compare.
For now, Stay away from METAL. I found the learning curve to be fairly high in terms of dealing with near max poundages a lot to make the suit even get to parallel. I know when I was trying to hit 400 + all the way to 440, if you gain weigh, the suit really has a problem breaking parallel. I blew mine out due to weight gain (10 lbs).
For a first suit, honestly, the z suit or champion. I can’t say which is better, maybe someone who’s had both can explain the difference.
I was able to break 225 or less in a champion suit. I would assume the same would go for a z suit. These suits, I guarantee, will suffice.
Also, if you’re allow wraps, use them, though get some practice in them. Some people have issues w/ walking out weights and you should know what you’re in for before using them the first time on the platform.
I’d say for christmas, idealy:
Champion or Z suit
Black metal wraps (if they cost too much, you could just go w/ inzer. The blacks are worth the money btw.)
A good belt from elitefts.
A singlet if you need one to bench in.
Not sure if you need wrist wraps, but if not, don’t worry about them.[/quote]
See, now here’s some sound, on topic advice.
IRT wraps, the good news about the z-wraps is they last a long freakin time. Probably the most durable wraps out there, IMO. They are not a bad place to start.
I think either of the low end Inzers are good also. I started in 2 different champions. I could hit parallel with 185, if I remember right and got pretty good pop.
What I think is the best about them is they are easy to learn, but give you the “feel” of what squatting in a suit is like. It makes it that much easier to transition to big time gear, if you make that choice, especially for those who do not have an experienced group to train with.
I would also go with the Inzer wraps. I also think Metal is better, but the Inzer are very good too and I don’t think the cost is justified unless he knows he wants to continue competing. Either EliteFTS or Inzer make good belts.
Don’t forget to check eBay. Quite often you can pick up gear new or in good condition with a huge savings.
good luck
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Monopoly19 wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Better Christmas ideas:
Get some metal knee wraps, a good belt from elite, starting strength, and 30 lbs of ground beef.
Theres your 300 lb squat, if you play your cards right, 320 is doable.
Bro, you took the words right outta my mouth. Best advice on the entire thread.
Monopoly
It’s not the advice he was seeking.
It’s not like this is some profound advice that you should all be patting each other on the back for offering. I am sure the kid realizes he has a lot of work to do and assuming he has a reasonably competent coach he will hopefully get the support he needs. At his age gains will come rapidly if he does the right things.
He did not come on here and ask your opinions if training in a suit would make him weak, or how to improve his RAW squat, or if you think he is strong enough to buy a suit. He asked for advice in suit selection.
The bottom line is he is competing in a HS fed in a state where you can letter in PL and the turnout at the regional meets is sometimes stunning. Their state meet alone rivals many National and World level competitions in terms of attendance.
Many of these schools have gear that is shared, some don’t. It would appear his school either has no gear or it is already spoken for. They allow squat suits and wraps but no bench shirts. His coach told him to consider buying a suit. He has taken that recommendation seriously and has now posted here for advice on which one to buy.
Honestly reading shit like this is discouraging and really makes me think the majority of people contributing to these threads do not have any meaningful competitive experience and therefore have nothing to offer beyond telling a kid new to the sport with legitimate questions
that he is weak and needs to get stronger.
That’s not advice. It’s just stating the obvious.
[/quote]
Good catch on the location. I did not even look :(. So you will NOT, I repeat NOT, want to get a suit with velcro straps – There High School state is a USAPL sanctioned meet.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
I had a buddy of mine who got a suit last year and tried to squat in it with his max at the time (around 450) and he couldnt get it but halfway to parallel.
I think I got my answer right here which leads to the question, “why are you on this thread offering advice about something you have no appreciable practical experience with?”
Hitting depth in a suit is more a function of technique, and depending on the material, speed of descent than it is amount of weight on the bar.
He may need to practice a little but per Pinto’s post, working on proper RAW technique will go a long way towards doing well in a suit.
I don’t think he is going to have any problems.
[/quote]
My friend was using one of the lower end Inzer suits. This is why I offered my advice.
One thing that I can not for the life of me understand is how exactly a squat suit will make you WEAKER.
I don’t know about the guys you know, but the majority of my training is done raw. And I would imagine most of the IPF/USAPL lifters are the same.
Hell even westside seems to just squat in loose briefs.
if you spend so much time in the off season training raw, how is even 6 weeks of geared squatting going to make you weaker??
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Monopoly19 wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
Better Christmas ideas:
Get some metal knee wraps, a good belt from elite, starting strength, and 30 lbs of ground beef.
Theres your 300 lb squat, if you play your cards right, 320 is doable.
Bro, you took the words right outta my mouth. Best advice on the entire thread.
Monopoly
It’s not the advice he was seeking.
It’s not like this is some profound advice that you should all be patting each other on the back for offering. I am sure the kid realizes he has a lot of work to do and assuming he has a reasonably competent coach he will hopefully get the support he needs. At his age gains will come rapidly if he does the right things.
He did not come on here and ask your opinions if training in a suit would make him weak, or how to improve his RAW squat, or if you think he is strong enough to buy a suit. He asked for advice in suit selection.
The bottom line is he is competing in a HS fed in a state where you can letter in PL and the turnout at the regional meets is sometimes stunning. Their state meet alone rivals many National and World level competitions in terms of attendance.
Many of these schools have gear that is shared, some don’t. It would appear his school either has no gear or it is already spoken for. They allow squat suits and wraps but no bench shirts. His coach told him to consider buying a suit. He has taken that recommendation seriously and has now posted here for advice on which one to buy.
Honestly reading shit like this is discouraging and really makes me think the majority of people contributing to these threads do not have any meaningful competitive experience and therefore have nothing to offer beyond telling a kid new to the sport with legitimate questions
that he is weak and needs to get stronger.
That’s not advice. It’s just stating the obvious.
[/quote]
Do you think it’s possible that he was asking the wrong question? It’s like asking how to best set up a band/chain wave loading program for a brand new lifter, it makes no sense and is a waste. Just lift hard and eat! Quit worrying about time under tension, loading parameters, etc. People try to make shit complex.
IMO, he will get better gains with a good belt and wraps, than a low quality suit. If he want’s the suit to get a bigger total at his meet, then again the wraps and belt will serve him better.
It’s an open forum bro, and I would say the majority of people on here are probably at the same level as the OP. I happen not to be. I hope he goes out and does a meet and gets stronger, it’s cool he wants to do one at his level. I just happen to think it’s the wrong time to use gear.
Monopoly
[quote]Monopoly19 wrote:
Do you think it’s possible that he was asking the wrong question? It’s like asking how to best set up a band/chain wave loading program for a brand new lifter, it makes no sense and is a waste. Just lift hard and eat! Quit worrying about time under tension, loading parameters, etc. People try to make shit complex.
IMO, he will get better gains with a good belt and wraps, than a low quality suit. If he want’s the suit to get a bigger total at his meet, then again the wraps and belt will serve him better.
It’s an open forum bro, and I would say the majority of people on here are probably at the same level as the OP. I happen not to be. I hope he goes out and does a meet and gets stronger, it’s cool he wants to do one at his level. I just happen to think it’s the wrong time to use gear.
Monopoly[/quote]
I suspected you would respond this way. The difference between you and I is I actually coach kids his age who compete in PL and am basically going to respect what his coach recommended.
Wether or not I would be starting him in a suit at this point is immaterial. It doesn’t matter a fucking pinch of shit.
It is kind of like training a kid who’s coaches want him to lift with the football team. You are better off helping him do better given the situation at hand.
Not providing him information that is in conflict with it.
If you don’t understand this, I have nothing else for you.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Monopoly19 wrote:
Do you think it’s possible that he was asking the wrong question? It’s like asking how to best set up a band/chain wave loading program for a brand new lifter, it makes no sense and is a waste. Just lift hard and eat! Quit worrying about time under tension, loading parameters, etc. People try to make shit complex.
IMO, he will get better gains with a good belt and wraps, than a low quality suit. If he want’s the suit to get a bigger total at his meet, then again the wraps and belt will serve him better.
It’s an open forum bro, and I would say the majority of people on here are probably at the same level as the OP. I happen not to be. I hope he goes out and does a meet and gets stronger, it’s cool he wants to do one at his level. I just happen to think it’s the wrong time to use gear.
Monopoly
I suspected you would respond this way. The difference between you and I is I actually coach kids his age who compete in PL and am basically going to respect what his coach recommended.
Wether or not I would be starting him in a suit at this point is immaterial. It doesn’t matter a fucking pinch of shit.
It is kind of like training a kid who’s coaches want him to lift with the football team. You are better off helping him do better given the situation at hand.
Not providing him information that is in conflict with it.
If you don’t understand this, I have nothing else for you.
[/quote]
So I guess we should all tell high school kids and people everywhere to take what their coaches say as gospel then?
There are multiple people on this board who I would venture a guess are smarter than the OP’s coach. He asked for advice regarding squat suits, I gave mine. You don’t happen to like it, I don’t happen to like yours, it’s no biggie! The kid can pick from what we gave him and go from there.
Monopoly
Why shouldn’t he wear a suit in the comp tho?
He’s going up against other lifters who’ll have them on. So what if he’s only squatting 225?
A suit WON’T make him weaker. Hell since everyone’s going on about how easy the learning curve is for a z-suit or champion he’ll proably need no more than 2-4 sessions in it.
That’s 2-4 days less raw work. No biggy at all. It’s not like the suit’s gonna sap all his bottom end strength and sell it on the blackmarket.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
Why shouldn’t he wear a suit in the comp tho?
He’s going up against other lifters who’ll have them on. So what if he’s only squatting 225?
A suit WON’T make him weaker. Hell since everyone’s going on about how easy the learning curve is for a z-suit or champion he’ll proably need no more than 2-4 sessions in it.
That’s 2-4 days less raw work. No biggy at all. It’s not like the suit’s gonna sap all his bottom end strength and sell it on the blackmarket.[/quote]
2 reasons. One, he already said money was an issue. If he buys the suit, he won’t have the cash for wraps and belt which I think he will get more out of.
Second, if he REALLY wants to buy a suit for a bigger total, then get a decent suit! I don’t think the suit is going to make him weaker, sorry if it came across that way.
Monopoly