Squat Daily?

Found the thread :

http://tnation.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding_strength/squat_specialization_cycle

Heavy 5x5, PL style.

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
I will just repeat what I wrote in the above linked thread:

If squatting 1 day a week is causing an increase in your squatting strength, do it. If squatting 6 days a week is increasing your squatting strength, do it.

One is not better than the other.[/quote]

If (hypothetically) you put 100 pounds on your squat in a year squatting 5 times a week and you would have put on 50 pounds in a year squatting once a week than it’s clear which method is better. Note I’m not saying that’s the case but I don’t think all training methods are ‘created equal’.

[quote]banco wrote:
If (hypothetically) you put 100 pounds on your squat in a year squatting 5 times a week and you would have put on 50 pounds in a year squatting once a week than it’s clear which method is better. Note I’m not saying that’s the case but I don’t think all training methods are ‘created equal’.
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That seems fair.
But then you also need to worry about what is happening with your bench and deadlift while you are improving your squat.

I think it is one thing squatting daily when your other lifts are snatch, clean, and jerk. Quite another when your other lifts are bench and deadlift.

But I don’t know.

This system has its merits. It is not new by any means. This is how the Bulgarians were training there olympic weightlifters in the 70s-early 80s. I forget the coaches name off the top of my head but his athletes wrecked shit for years with this system. A big reason this works so well with olympic lifting is the lack of eccentric stress of the olympic lifts. Eccentric muscle actions cause much more stress (damage) than the concentric. From what I understand of the system, the only did a max squat (front or back) twice a week and everything else was an olympic lift or variation for the other main lifts of the week.

I have my doubts about this working for powerlifting. You would have to try very very hard to limit the eccentric stress (i.e. move every lift basically as a free fall and catch). Also, you could not just jump into it. You would need to take weeks or months of straight technique work for several hours a day. Even the advanced guys in this system use one workout a day for technique (I think it’s 13 workouts a week. For example, a morning workout would be a snatch working up to many singles with 80% while the second workout of the day would be a max squat based on preparedness).

I say go for it if you want to try it. Just be smart. Eat about 10,000 calories a day. Also, don’t die.

[quote]banco wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
I will just repeat what I wrote in the above linked thread:

If squatting 1 day a week is causing an increase in your squatting strength, do it. If squatting 6 days a week is increasing your squatting strength, do it.

One is not better than the other.[/quote]

If (hypothetically) you put 100 pounds on your squat in a year squatting 5 times a week and you would have put on 50 pounds in a year squatting once a week than it’s clear which method is better. Note I’m not saying that’s the case but I don’t think all training methods are ‘created equal’.
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Missed the point.

Most all legit training methods are created equal.

NOT all people are created equal.

If squatting every day causes an increase, then it means it worked FOR YOU. If it doesnt cause an increase, it doesnt mean the program is wrong, it means its not working for you. So switch it up.

I personally am on westside, box squatting at every week, another squat movement once ever two weeks (usually), and my squat is up well over 150lbs from this point last year. Does that mean my method is clearly better? No, it means I made it work for me.

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
I will just repeat what I wrote in the above linked thread:

If squatting 1 day a week is causing an increase in your squatting strength, do it. If squatting 6 days a week is increasing your squatting strength, do it.

One is not better than the other.[/quote]

And I will thoroughly agree with that. But, what if say, squatting 5x a week gave you faster progress and was your main goal to increase? I think at a certain point, we stop talking about progress and start talking about rate of progress. Besides, how will you know if you dont try?[/quote]

Not saying dont try it.

OP - do it.

Just offering the opinion that squatting once a week and OVAR 9000 times a week are both simply tools that you gotta utilize and figure out how they work for you.

Stop being so reasonable Dixie. This is the internet.

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
I will just repeat what I wrote in the above linked thread:

If squatting 1 day a week is causing an increase in your squatting strength, do it. If squatting 6 days a week is increasing your squatting strength, do it.

One is not better than the other.[/quote]

And I will thoroughly agree with that. But, what if say, squatting 5x a week gave you faster progress and was your main goal to increase? I think at a certain point, we stop talking about progress and start talking about rate of progress. Besides, how will you know if you dont try?[/quote]

Not saying dont try it.

OP - do it.

Just offering the opinion that squatting once a week and OVAR 9000 times a week are both simply tools that you gotta utilize and figure out how they work for you.
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I will totally agree with that.

Just to throw my 2 cents in there, I agree the article was excellent and thought provoking, but after talking to Bret he said all of the lifters in that gym squat OL style (high bar) and he didn’t think that Broz would recommend squatting daily with a low bar style which is more common in PL due to the increased stress on the back (similar to the reasoning behind decreasing deadlift frequency). It is also probably useful to consider what tools a lifter might be using to increase their rate of recovery.

[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:
It is also probably useful to consider what tools a lifter might be using to increase their rate of recovery.[/quote]
Ooooh… subtle. lulz.

[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:
Just to throw my 2 cents in there, I agree the article was excellent and thought provoking, but after talking to Bret he said all of the lifters in that gym squat OL style (high bar) and he didn’t think that Broz would recommend squatting daily with a low bar style which is more common in PL due to the increased stress on the back (similar to the reasoning behind decreasing deadlift frequency). It is also probably useful to consider what tools a lifter might be using to increase their rate of recovery.[/quote]

Furthermore, squatting in full gear can be hell on your cns twice a week as it is, cant imagine every day.

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:
Just to throw my 2 cents in there, I agree the article was excellent and thought provoking, but after talking to Bret he said all of the lifters in that gym squat OL style (high bar) and he didn’t think that Broz would recommend squatting daily with a low bar style which is more common in PL due to the increased stress on the back (similar to the reasoning behind decreasing deadlift frequency). It is also probably useful to consider what tools a lifter might be using to increase their rate of recovery.[/quote]

Furthermore, squatting in full gear can be hell on your cns twice a week as it is, cant imagine every day.[/quote]

Right. It is, and unsuited (har har) to daily squatting, at least in the forms I have seen mentioned, which is why in my supportive post on it I say “raw squatting”. I also think Tim’s point about a high bar olympic style squat ia right on–the natural cradle of the hams/glutes is greatly suited to repetitive stress provides it is at the right angles…not only does low bar squatting lead to more lower back stress due to technical differences and leverages, it also lends itself to a wider stance. The wider the hips are, the more vulnerable they are to repeated stress and stretch.

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:
Just to throw my 2 cents in there, I agree the article was excellent and thought provoking, but after talking to Bret he said all of the lifters in that gym squat OL style (high bar) and he didn’t think that Broz would recommend squatting daily with a low bar style which is more common in PL due to the increased stress on the back (similar to the reasoning behind decreasing deadlift frequency). It is also probably useful to consider what tools a lifter might be using to increase their rate of recovery.[/quote]

Furthermore, squatting in full gear can be hell on your cns twice a week as it is, cant imagine every day.[/quote]

Right. It is, and unsuited (har har) to daily squatting, at least in the forms I have seen mentioned, which is why in my supportive post on it I say “raw squatting”. I also think Tim’s point about a high bar olympic style squat ia right on–the natural cradle of the hams/glutes is greatly suited to repetitive stress provides it is at the right angles…not only does low bar squatting lead to more lower back stress due to technical differences and leverages, it also lends itself to a wider stance. The wider the hips are, the more vulnerable they are to repeated stress and stretch.[/quote]

Did we all just have a calm, reasonable exchange of idea on the internet?

No way…

To join in, I definitely think that there is a range as to what can be effective but there is a limit!

For example, squatting, benching and deadlifting in full gear 6 times a week would be too much for anyone on this planet. But, for the average fat ass on the couch, doing so once a week would cripple him. Soooo, everyone is completely different. For me, I run a sheiko style routine and gain very quickly with 3 squats per week and 2 deads per week.

And to be honest, if the russian strength coach advocates this high volume and the russian powerlifting team is really the best in the world… you can’t argue with it’s merits. The thing to keep in mind tho, is that these type of high volume training whether in powerlifting or OL are based on little gear. Probably a belt and wraps at the most! But I definitely think once you put on a suit, sustaining that type of volume/frequency becomes very difficult because of the strain with higher weights, even if at the same percentages.

So this is why I think a lot of powerlifters these days have reverted to squatting only once a week - their gear is so supportive that even once a week really fries you. Also a lot of powerlifters need to work on their damn GPP hahaha. Ever read the article 27 reasons to be big? You should lol… Just my thoughts.