Spike Shooters Banned In School

I haven’t won an award in quite a while. The name is Randy Duchaine Mentzer. Make sure you spell it right, because just as there is only one correct philosophy of space flight there is only one correct speling of the name.

I just watched the film on CNN. You guys didn’t mention that some of the kids becoming sleepy was another complaint.

I remember back when I was in high school how sleepy we would sometimes get after going off campus to the local 7/11 to buy mountain dew.

I definately think a wizz quiz could make the principal look stupid.

[quote]wressler125 wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks the principle is full of shit?

No way a can of Spike caused 5 kids to end up with heart palpatations and put another in a wheel chair.

Either the principle needs to admit she has a drug problem in her school, or there is something in the water…[/quote]

No, you’re not…

Like you said, one can, heart palpatations, wheel chair… I doubt it. I think I read somewhere on this site that [in regards to putting 300mg caffeine in perspective] a medium starbucks latte or something has something like 400mg. I think… I just graduated high school last year, and I saw more girls walking around with starbucks in their hands than I saw girls with bottles of water.

Again, I wouldnt be surprised to hear a different side of the story.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am sorry this happened…but did anyone think it wouldn’t? There are just too many idiots around today. the real question is, will this affect my ability to get this supplement when I need it? I am a little tired of everything being banned because dumbasses take several times the recommended dosage.[/quote]

You need to have greater concern “for the children.” Since we as a society have concluded on so many occasions that what’s good “for the children” trumps individual rights, we need to take the ultimate step in order to protect the safety of all youngsters- universal incarceration of everyone 18 and under. It’s for the children after all, not because I’m sick of dealing with other people’s lack of parental/genetic fitness.

Believe it or not, this might be good publicity for the drink, as now people are going to be saying “wow that must be some good shit!”

Its official.

7-11 is pulling spike out of 200 of their stores according to a radio report this morning.

I’m sending my girlfriend to a shell gas station today to stock up before anyone else pulls it.

[quote]rsg wrote:
Brutus_G wrote:
I just went to my 7/11 to buy some and it doesn’t sell any of it.

Try a whole country that doesn’t stock any.[/quote]

Must be tough with that access to Steroids and G.

[quote]mtd25 wrote:
Its official.

7-11 is pulling spike out of 200 of their stores according to a radio report this morning.[/quote]

Great. Stupid kids are runing this for us just like fat people ruined ephendrine for us. Looks like I’ll be ordering 3 cases of this stuff this weekend.

Sigh.

[quote]etaco wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I am sorry this happened…but did anyone think it wouldn’t? There are just too many idiots around today. the real question is, will this affect my ability to get this supplement when I need it? I am a little tired of everything being banned because dumbasses take several times the recommended dosage.

You need to have greater concern “for the children.” Since we as a society have concluded on so many occasions that what’s good “for the children” trumps individual rights, we need to take the ultimate step in order to protect the safety of all youngsters- universal incarceration of everyone 18 and under. It’s for the children after all, not because I’m sick of dealing with other people’s lack of parental/genetic fitness. [/quote]

Euthanasia for anyone over 30 and everyone not involved in the care or feeding of children. We need to preserve our resources for the children.

Mandatory abortions for all to save future generations the pain and hardship of life.

This thread reminds me why I did not think a world like that in “Children of Men” would be depressing. I’d love a world with no more kids ruining sh1t for everyone else.

http://gazette.com/display.php?id=1330325&secid=1

The way this town thinks makes me sick!!

Beware: reading the comments will piss you off…

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
mtd25 wrote:
Its official.

7-11 is pulling spike out of 200 of their stores according to a radio report this morning.

Great. Stupid kids are runing this for us just like fat people ruined ephendrine for us. Looks like I’ll be ordering 3 cases of this stuff this weekend.

Sigh.[/quote]

Dude, fat people didn’t ruin ephedra.

Corey Stringer and Steve Bechler ruined ephedra.

B.

Wow, these are some ridiculous developments!! I wish you sold it up here; I’d go buy three cases.

I can say this: as a non-smoker, if I smoked four cigarettes in a row right now (not PACKS, single cigarettes) I would puke my guts out for days. No one is pulling those off the shelves. Nor is anyone keeping kids under 18 from getting their hands on them (even tho they are only to be sold to 18+).

I thought this was interesting. Too bad it won’t get the coverage of the media that is bashing the product:

http://businessandmedia.org/articles/2007/20070222141352.aspx

I’m sure the mob (FDA & Media) are lighting torches and grabbing their pitchforks as we speak.
The scary part is that the people I talked to about this think it should be banned, to protect the stupid kids.
I hope this isn’t going to be ephedra all over again.

[quote]Hillside77 wrote:
I’m sure the mob (FDA & Media) are lighting torches and grabbing their pitchforks as we speak.
The scary part is that the people I talked to about this think it should be banned, to protect the supid kids.
I hope this isn’t going to be ephedra all over again. [/quote]

People that have children but do not PARENT those children should be bitch-slapped to the fullest extent of the law. My kids will know of these types of things and why they should NOT partake in them.

If you just talk to your kids about stuff, it’s pretty easy to show them why they really should or should not do certain things. It’s these motherfuckers that try and shelter their kids from stuff that end up having their kids sick, hurt, etc.

Children, while young, are still humans. They can reason, learn, and understand things.

It won’t be like ephedra. Ephedra is a single drug that people were abusing and could also use in the making of other illegal drugs. I think this is different.

I’m 18(in high school)and I’m pissed at the stupid kids who i can guess drank 2 cans in a 4-6 hour period when they were 15.

[quote]Brutus_G wrote:
I’m 18(in high school)and I’m pissed at the stupid kids who i can guess drank 2 cans in a 4-6 hour period when they were 15.[/quote]

Actually, some of the dumb-shits downed FOUR of them. You’d pretty much have to be clinically retarded to do that considering all the warnings on the can.

[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
Dude, fat people didn’t ruin ephedra.

Corey Stringer and Steve Bechler ruined ephedra.[/quote]

Fat people were taking more than their little hearts would allow and died. (One guy was taking something like 6 Ripped Fuel at a time.) That started the ball rolling against ephendrine long before the pro athletes dies.


Tim P at his Computer

Everytime I see or read about cases like this, you know what I see?

A bunch of Vultures, wearing Black Suits, sitting on a fence just waiting to pounce.

I have all the respect in the World for ANYONE who owns a business in the U.S.; especially those who try all they can to put out both good service and good product like Tim and “Biotest”.

I hope that this does not become another “nail in the coffin” for our access to effective supplements.

“VIVA LA LAWYERS”!

Mufasa

I bet those kids thought they were so cool being such rebels rolls eyes, until they were throwing up and passing out!

The thing that gets me is the hypocracy of cnn and the schools. Some kids merely get dizzy or a tummy ache and it is national news and immediately the school is stepping to ban Spike.

It is useful to compare the Spike Shooter story where noone died to another drug that is widely available to kids where at least several hundred kids have died.

http://www.ritalindeath.com/

Between 1990 and 2000 there were 186 deaths from methylphenidate reported to the FDA MedWatch program, a voluntary reporting scheme, the numbers of which represent no more than 10 to 20% of the actual incidence

I want to warn parents of the risks involved in giving children psychotropic medications used to treat ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder). These behaviors are listed in the DSM-IV Diagnostic Criteria for ADHD.

Our fourteen-Year-old Son Matthew died on March 21, 2000. The cause was determined to be from the long-term (age 7-14) of using of Methylphenidate a medication commonly known as Ritalin.

Matthew took 10mg of Ritalin three times a day; he was taken away from us for one week for testing by the court. They said they would be doing organic testing. We found out this was never done. When he got home we were court ordered to give him 20mg three tines a day.

For the last year of his life he was taking 20mg of Ritalin three times a day.

The Certificate of Death under due to, (or because of) reads, Death caused from Long Term Use of Methylphenidate, (Ritalin). According to Dr. Ljuba Dragovic, The chief pathologist in Oakland County Michigan, upon autopsy, Matthew’s heart showed clear signs of small vessel damage, the type caused by stimulant drugs like amphetamines.

The medical examiners told me that a full-grown man?s heart weighs about 350 grams and that Matthew’s heart weight was about 402 grams.

Matthew did not have a preexisting heart disease or defect that we knew of. We, his parents never ignored his medical needs. The medical examiner said this type of heart damage is not easy to detect with the standard test necessary for prescription refills.

While visiting the doctor with the school?s diagnosis and the recommendation for Ritalin, he seemed very frustrated and asked us to let the school know, ?I am not a pharmacy.? This leads me to believe that we were not the first parents sent to this doctor, with the schools diagnosis and recommendation for Ritalin.

No one ever informed us of other crucial tests (echo-cardiogram) that we could have had done that would have discovered the enlargement of the heart muscle, caused from scare tissue which these types of drugs cause. The standard test performed consists of blood work, listening to the heart, questions about school behaviors, sleeping and eating habits.

It all started for Matthew in the first grade the school social worker in Berkley, Michigan kept calling us in for meetings. One particular morning before an IEP meeting, the school social worker Monica Fuchs, my wife and I, were waiting on the others to arrive.

Monica made us feel very threatened when she said that if we wouldn’t consider getting Matt on Ritalin for their diagnosis of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, that Social Services (Child Protective Services) could charge us for neglecting his educational and emotional needs. My wife and I were scared of the possibility of losing our children, if we did not comply.

I believe that some school employees like having children medicated because, it makes frustrated students that are having a difficult time learning and understanding, easier to manage, regardless of the physical and psychological risks this practice poses to children.

Not all families can afford hundreds of dollars for a drug free, private evaluation, so they will not be cornered into medicating their child. I am hoping that Republicans and Democrats will work together and fight this horrific war against the forced drugging of our children.

Medical diagnosis should remain outside the realm of education and stay there. Pressure to seek specific medical treatment is not the job of the school system.

We did not want Matthew on any medications, even though the school social worker or the doctor never informed us about the dangers of Ritalin and other stimulant medications used for ADD and ADHD. We just didn’t feel good about putting our son on drugs and we made it very clear to school officials.

?Informed Consent?, which states in part ?A person?s agreement to allow something to happen [such as surgery] that is based on a full disclosure of the facts needed to make the decision intelligently; i.e. knowledge of risks involved, alternatives etc? and ?the probable risks against the probable benefits.?

The violation of parent?s rights is when they are not told of the unscientific nature of so-called disorders such as ADHD or the risks of the treatments involving (drugs) and they certainly are not told of alternatives to their child?s behavior such as undiagnosed allergies or food sensitivities, which could manifest with the symptoms of what psychiatry calls ADHD.

If we weren?t pressured by the school system, Matt would still be alive today. I cannot go back and change things for us at this point. However, I hope to God my story and information will reach the hearts and minds, of many families, so they can make an educated decision with more than a little selective information, if any, paid for by psychology and drug companies.

I have created a website in hopes that parents will learn the health risks involved in using psychotropic medications on growing children.

I hope you will be spared all the suffering and heartbreak this whole ADHD issue has caused our family and many others.

Please do not be intimidated by family, school staff, doctors, or anyone into medicating your child for ADHD or ADD. These mental illnesses are scientifically unfounded with no scientific validity what so ever. The dopamine theory is nothing more than wishful thinking on the part of psychiatry and the pharmaceutical industry.

I truly believe this must have been my son?s purpose, to save the health and lives of many others.

How old will people live after taking these types of drugs as a child? Every time I hear about a child or young adult that has died from heart failure, I always wonder if they were ever on a psychotropic medication used for ADHD or depression.

If we would have known about all the children that have died from these psychiatric medications, I would have never given Matt the first pill.

Did you know that children that are diagnosed as having ADHD or ADD and take medication, the school labels them as learning disabled, and the schools receives additional state and federal funding per-child, per-semester.

I wonder if that is one of the reasons why school administrators are so adamant about medication, and the other would be to control their behavior, in their drug free school zone.

One of the hardest things for me to deal with is the fact that, Matthew never wanted his medication.

How many more 11-year-old Stephanie Hall’s and 14-year-old Matthew Smith’s will have to die before someone puts a stop to the biggest health care fraud ever? How many times will school psychology and drug companies get away with this?

In 1998 at the National Institutes of Health Consensus Conference on ADHD, the NIH issued the following statement regarding ADHD:

?We do not have an independent, valid test for ADHD, and there is no data to indicate that ADHD is due to a brain malfunction.?

Children, do not need to be made into little robots with medication. I feel that good parenting, structure, diets, and teaching methods can make all the difference in the world. Different children develop in different ways; you cannot put children all into one box.

Did you know that the ADHD diagnosis checklist of behaviors is almost the same as the list of behaviors for gifted children (visit The National Foundation for Gifted and Creative Children at http://www.nfgcc.org

The DEA has classified Ritalin as a schedule two drug, comparable to Cocaine. Ritalin is also one of the top ten abused prescription drugs on the streets today.

From the research that I have done on amphetamines, when they are used, all the veins and arteries constrict and get very small which makes it hard for the heart to pump blood throughout the body. The extra force it takes to circulate blood causes high blood pressure and damage to the heart.

There are many other drugs that are given to children for ADD and ADHD with different names. Amphetamine-type drugs such as Adderall, Concreta, Metadate, Ritalin and Dexedrine also antidepressant type drugs, Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRI), such as Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil and Luvox and the new selective norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors like Strattera which can cause serious side effects.

These can include seizures, cardiac problems such as arrhythmias, hypertension, heart failure and even death. These drugs can also cause emotional symptoms such as psychosis, agitation, aggression, hostility, anxiety and hallucinations.

Parents can find complete information about the side-effects of each drug in the drug insert from the pharmacist or in the Physician’s Desk Reference.

We are coming to a point in our history where children have been taking these drugs for some time. Now the information is starting to come out.