SpiderMan3, Venom?

Finalyear · May 8, 2007, 3:14pm

I really liked the movie, and I think that it is interesting that alot of people are commenting on the fact that they felt Topher Grace? was cast as venom and that he was too small to play the role, but have you overlooked the guy they cast to play Sandman? Thomas Haden Church was a pretty big dude.

One thing that I don’t like hearing is the complaining about the American flag. It saddens me to hear that people are complaining about maybe a one or two second clip of spiderman in front of the American Flag. How much national pride do some of the people on here have?

Track and Field and recently “Soccer” are my favorite sports, and when Americans win an olympic gold and take a victory lap around the track with the Stars and Stripes draped around their shoulders it’s a beautiful thing.

And when the National Anthem is played before international matches, or any time the National Anthem is played, I’ll tell the truth I’m touched. Our Nation has its problems, but it makes our people look bad when we seem ashamed of it.

A_Dizz · May 8, 2007, 5:01pm

[quote]Finalyear wrote:
I really liked the movie, and I think that it is interesting that alot of people are commenting on the fact that they felt Topher Grace? was cast as venom and that he was too small to play the role, but have you overlooked the guy they cast to play Sandman? Thomas Haden Church was a pretty big dude.

One thing that I don’t like hearing is the complaining about the American flag. It saddens me to hear that people are complaining about maybe a one or two second clip of spiderman in front of the American Flag. How much national pride do some of the people on here have?

Track and Field and recently “Soccer” are my favorite sports, and when Americans win an olympic gold and take a victory lap around the track with the Stars and Stripes draped around their shoulders it’s a beautiful thing.

And when the National Anthem is played before international matches, or any time the National Anthem is played, I’ll tell the truth I’m touched. Our Nation has its problems, but it makes our people look bad when we seem ashamed of it. [/quote]

Yes but that’s something completely different. When an American wins a gold medal in an international competition, it’s only right to do a victory lap with the flag. That’s what the whole thing is about, representing your country.

Spider-Man has little or nothing to do with American pride, or the representation of America in general. It was so cheesy to put a huge American Flag behind him with that little change in the music score for that one second to a patriotic riff.

It also happened at a part in the movie where he turned his life around, and for the 3rd time, he “reconciled his evil ways for the good of himself and his fellow man.” It was just such a lame thing to try to connect that to being American with the unnecessarily large flag behind him.

That combined with the fact that it was such a crucial part of the movie in the sense of the story line. The emotions that were being built up through the entire movie were just about to come to a climax in the following scene, and that 2 second clip completely destroyed the mood that took 2 hours to build.

Like Pootie Tang said, those little things (like juggernaut being just some dude in a suit) took all the attention off of the emotion and story line of the movie and onto how ridiculous the Juggernaut looks, or how cheesy the flag scene attempt was.

-dizzle

A_Dizz · May 8, 2007, 5:03pm

[quote]chiefy wrote:
Yeah, A-Dizz, I grew up reading the comic also and I used to get ultra sensitive at every detail (web-shooters, not taking shoes off to climb walls, etc.) but I just gave up. I realized that Hollywood does not live by the same code of comic book ethics and that a movie will never be a decent adaptation of a comic. Once I got over that hump I started just enjoying my favorite characters being on the big screen.

In the Marvel timeline, Spidey-3 is terribly flawed in comparision, but (sigh) oh well. It still entertained. It was worth purchasing tickets two weeks before hand and getting up at eight in the morning to get good seat for a ten a.m. showing.[/quote]

Good point. Your previous post also makes it look like you’re bashing comic-book readers and superhero cartoon fans in general. It put me a little on the defensive.

Good to know you’re one of us.

-dizzle

JonP · May 8, 2007, 7:21pm

Why does everyone obsess with the storylines not being exactly the same as comics? Why would I want to see a story I’VE ALREADY SEEN BEFORE? How F’ing lame and boring would it be to see a movie where you already know everything that happens?

Zap_Branigan · May 8, 2007, 7:38pm

[quote]A-Dizz wrote:
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Spider-Man has little or nothing to do with American pride, or the representation of America in general. It was so cheesy to put a huge American Flag behind him with that little change in the music score for that one second to a patriotic riff.

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Spider-Man is as all American as you can get. His costume colors were picked for a reason.

A_Dizz · May 8, 2007, 9:15pm

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
A-Dizz wrote:
…
Spider-Man has little or nothing to do with American pride, or the representation of America in general. It was so cheesy to put a huge American Flag behind him with that little change in the music score for that one second to a patriotic riff.

…

Spider-Man is as all American as you can get. His costume colors were picked for a reason.[/quote]

But how many people are aware of that, and how often is the literal connection made?

Professor_X · May 8, 2007, 9:55pm

[quote]A-Dizz wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
A-Dizz wrote:
…
Spider-Man has little or nothing to do with American pride, or the representation of America in general. It was so cheesy to put a huge American Flag behind him with that little change in the music score for that one second to a patriotic riff.

…

Spider-Man is as all American as you can get. His costume colors were picked for a reason.

But how many people are aware of that, and how often is the literal connection made?[/quote]

Pretty often. Like I wrote before, that scene didn’t surprise me. I know why they put it in and I am actually glad they did. I also am picking up that some of you didn’t even know parts of the movie that were clearly meant to be funny…like that whole Travolta rip off. That had nothing to do with “emo” and everything to do with the source material…that it seems some of you are so disconnected from anything that happened before the exact moment of your birth that you missed completely.

The size of Venom wasn’t even that big of an issue considering how they worked the characters. It isn’t like Topher Grace couldn’t act. The Sandman was the best character in that movie. Harping about shit like that while completely ignoring what they actually did right is pretty weak.

Yes, they could have cut back on the tear jerking. Yes, they probably tried to do too much in one movie with so many characters…but shit, anyone who claims those weren’t some of the best special effects to date and that the people in it couldn’t actually act their parts out well is loose a few screws.

Man_O_War · May 9, 2007, 12:30am

[quote]Finalyear wrote:
One thing that I don’t like hearing is the complaining about the American flag. It saddens me to hear that people are complaining about maybe a one or two second clip of spiderman in front of the American Flag. How much national pride do some of the people on here have?

Track and Field and recently “Soccer” are my favorite sports, and when Americans win an olympic gold and take a victory lap around the track with the Stars and Stripes draped around their shoulders it’s a beautiful thing.
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I complained about it earlier and Prof X actually set it straight for me and I can understand the significance behind it due to 9/11. Most people wouldn’t know that when sitting in a cinema.

I have plenty of national pride but my profile will show that I’m not a yank. You’ll notice the other guy who complained is not either.

I saw it in a theatre that was packed with over 400 people and there was a collective groan at the sight of the US flag.

We show our national pride in different ways. Like drinking Fosters when overseas, where cases of it gather dust in most Aussie pubs as it is putrid. Poms like to beat up on rival soccer fans whether they won or lost and start riots!

On the whole, the movie was good. I was entertained, I thought the Sandman was excellent and Venom did the job.

A_Dizz · May 9, 2007, 3:25am

[quote]Professor X wrote:
A-Dizz wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
A-Dizz wrote:
…
Spider-Man has little or nothing to do with American pride, or the representation of America in general. It was so cheesy to put a huge American Flag behind him with that little change in the music score for that one second to a patriotic riff.

…

Spider-Man is as all American as you can get. His costume colors were picked for a reason.

But how many people are aware of that, and how often is the literal connection made?

Pretty often. Like I wrote before, that scene didn’t surprise me. I know why they put it in and I am actually glad they did. I also am picking up that some of you didn’t even know parts of the movie that were clearly meant to be funny…like that whole Travolta rip off. That had nothing to do with “emo” and everything to do with the source material…that it seems some of you are so disconnected from anything that happened before the exact moment of your birth that you missed completely.

The size of Venom wasn’t even that big of an issue considering how they worked the characters. It isn’t like Topher Grace couldn’t act. The Sandman was the best character in that movie. Harping about shit like that while completely ignoring what they actually did right is pretty weak.

Yes, they could have cut back on the tear jerking. Yes, they probably tried to do too much in one movie with so many characters…but shit, anyone who claims those weren’t some of the best special effects to date and that the people in it couldn’t actually act their parts out well is loose a few screws.[/quote]

The SNF ripoff was funny, and so was every scene with J. Jonah Jameson (as usual). When I say that the emo haircut ruined it for me I was not trying to infer that I thought they tried to make him “emo.” I know the plot line, I know the comic books, and I know what they were trying to do.

What I was trying to say is that #1 they could have tried a LITTLE different hairstyle so he didn’t look like he was going to post his pic on myspace. (Also, the scene when he had that haircut and started crying in the rain, I think they were really asking for it. It was those moments that ruined the mood).

#2, I’m not complaining about the movie as a whole, because I loved it. The CGI was incredible, the acting and screenplay (for the most part) was outstanding, and the way they portrayed the characters in general was good. All I’m trying to do is justify why I thought the flag scene was ridiculous, and how they could have made a few changes to make the movie perfect.

If the movie completely sucked, that’s all I would have said to begin with. Since the movie was very good, I stated that and then moved on to what I thought they could have done a better job on. I am completely cognizant of everything theay did right, and I really liked the movie in general.

Pootie_Tang · May 9, 2007, 2:20pm

If I am not mistaken the American Flag also made an appearance in Spider-Man 1 and 2. It was usually during the end web slinging sequence that was at the end of the first two movies. This was the only time it was kind of in the middle of the movie. I did actually role my eyes a little but hey, Spidey was Made in the USA so whatever.

DS_007 · May 9, 2007, 3:39pm

[quote]Man O’ War wrote:
Lecher08 wrote:
Ok i saw spiderman 3 yesterday at 4:50pm central time and I gotta say i enjoyed the entire movie

BUT!!!

Vemon!!! WTF!!! They must have been like " lets choose the skinniest guy we can find!" because I always remembered him being this big bodybuilding guys that was freakin alsum but the guy they chose just seemed like a lil kid! My favorite character EVER out of the spider-man series had to be vemon and they just screwed it up! Where is the God Damn tounge??? I just wanted to see vemon be alot MORE MUSCULAR with and without the suit.

Also, in really enjoyed spiderman in the black suit alot more!! He wasnt always crying and whinning like he was through out the movie in the regular suit. It would been alsum to see spiderman just get alil more evil and start hurting innocent cilvians! That would been great. Because i didnt feel the sense that that the suit was really endagering peter or any people of the city. What the heck, he is stronger faster and less naggy that he was before. How is this not a good thing?
just imo…

I thought it was an okay movie. At the end when ‘Spidey’ comes swinging in and the American Flag can be seen proudly in the background dropped it back several notches for me. The collective groan in the theatre made me think others felt the same.

On Venom, as one guy said before, they’ve got a little over 2 hours to build a character and that has been developed over years in the comic books. I think that’s why series like Smallville are popular with many comic book readers as they can take their time developing the character and creating the story.

Introducing Venom and having him in the movie for about 5 scenes total was never going to do justice after seeing all the threads and fuss devoted to him on this site alone.
[/quote]

it’s an american movie with american actors about shit that happens in america, asshole. we HAVE american flags here, fucko. more so than we have spidermen.

you go see a movie about superheros and you are distracted by an american flag. brilliant.

DS_007 · May 9, 2007, 3:40pm

[quote]Pootie Tang wrote:
If I am not mistaken the American Flag also made an appearance in Spider-Man 1 and 2. It was usually during the end web slinging sequence that was at the end of the first two movies. This was the only time it was kind of in the middle of the movie. I did actually role my eyes a little but hey, Spidey was Made in the USA so whatever.[/quote]

anti-americanism seems to know no bounds these days. i guess that’s what happens when you have an anti-american media and an entire polical party that’s anti-american. people actually start to believe the bullshit.

DS_007 · May 9, 2007, 3:43pm

[quote]Man O’ War wrote:
Finalyear wrote:
One thing that I don’t like hearing is the complaining about the American flag. It saddens me to hear that people are complaining about maybe a one or two second clip of spiderman in front of the American Flag. How much national pride do some of the people on here have?

Track and Field and recently “Soccer” are my favorite sports, and when Americans win an olympic gold and take a victory lap around the track with the Stars and Stripes draped around their shoulders it’s a beautiful thing.

I complained about it earlier and Prof X actually set it straight for me and I can understand the significance behind it due to 9/11. Most people wouldn’t know that when sitting in a cinema.

I have plenty of national pride but my profile will show that I’m not a yank. You’ll notice the other guy who complained is not either.

I saw it in a theatre that was packed with over 400 people and there was a collective groan at the sight of the US flag.

We show our national pride in different ways. Like drinking Fosters when overseas, where cases of it gather dust in most Aussie pubs as it is putrid. Poms like to beat up on rival soccer fans whether they won or lost and start riots!

On the whole, the movie was good. I was entertained, I thought the Sandman was excellent and Venom did the job.

[/quote]

forgive me for not celebrating austrailia’s contribution to the world when compared with the USA. it’s like you have single-handedly saved the world from aggression several times or anything like that. plus we gave you spiderman, idiot. your welcome. were you celebrating your national pride by getting shit faced when you posted this dumb shit?

DS_007 · May 9, 2007, 3:45pm

[quote]A-Dizz wrote:
Finalyear wrote:
I really liked the movie, and I think that it is interesting that alot of people are commenting on the fact that they felt Topher Grace? was cast as venom and that he was too small to play the role, but have you overlooked the guy they cast to play Sandman? Thomas Haden Church was a pretty big dude.