I thought it was an okay movie. At the end when ‘Spidey’ comes swinging in and the American Flag can be seen proudly in the background dropped it back several notches for me. The collective groan in the theatre made me think others felt the same.
I felt that for a second but let it slide for one reason…the first one was released right after 9/11 (they had to cut out scenes shot with the Twin Towers in it). Back then, when the flag was waving in one scene for Spiderman 1, it had a completely different effect for me. I don’t fault them for keeping at least one scene like that in every movie since.
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Fair enough. I’d forgotten about the 9/11 link to Spiderman 1.
[quote]A-Dizz wrote:
maybe that’s just me though. I still thought the movie kicked ass, even though there were a few small things that happened in very important scenes that totally killed the mood, i.e.: the American flag thing I just burst out laughing at that one), when peter shows up on the balcony of harry’s mansion and he’s just standing there with his queermo haircut and emo track jacket, etc.[/quote]
Haha. I agree. He looked like one of those tools from 30 Seconds To Mars.
Prof X gave the reason behind the Flag which I can understand. At the time it was a little hard to digest!
I thought it was pretty good, although the script in the emotional and character-intensive scenes was quite bland and mood-killing (Newscaster and the brutality statement anyone?), and made me laugh sometimes. There were some really funny scenes like the French host and Jonah’s desk buzzer.
However all this passed away when the whole Spiderman and Venom scene started up… I was so happy that there was a snarling and bigger-than-Tobey-Maguire Venom (I’m guessing Venom was pure CG by that time cos Topher isnt that big), that I forgot everything and just watched the fight… all the fight scenes were insane btw.
[quote]Shoebolt wrote:
all the fight scenes were insane btw.[/quote]
Agreed. I was impressed with all of them and never saw that much detail in a mostly CGI fight scene before in my life (you could actually follow every detail during fast paced scenes instead of blurs like you would have seen even 5 years ago). They need an award just for making The Sandman considering you could actually see specific grains of sand. I can see why this movie cost 300 million dollars to make.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Agreed. I was impressed with all of them and never saw that much detail in a mostly CGI fight scene before in my life (you could actually follow every detail during fast paced scenes instead of blurs like you would have seen even 5 years ago). They need an award just for making The Sandman considering you could actually see specific grains of sand. I can see why this movie cost 300 million dollars to make. [/quote]
Spot on with the Sandman. Best CGI I have seen. There was not much that could be faulted.
All I know is they set it up perfect for a lizard man/Carnage sequel.
Dr. Connors still has a symbiote sample, and bringing him back as a character makes him a good choice, as he eventually becomes Lizard Man, the most interesting Spider man villain.
Topher Grace was a decent choice for Venom, the whole parallel was a decent idea. I just hate how they spent thirty minuets trying to make Tobi look bad ass by giving him an emo haircut and the most retarded swagger I’ve ever seen in a movie.
Was that supposed to be funny? I really, really hope so.
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
I just hate how they spent thirty minuets trying to make Tobi look bad ass by giving him an emo haircut and the most retarded swagger I’ve ever seen in a movie.
Was that supposed to be funny? I really, really hope so.[/quote]
I thought it was pretty damn obvious they were trying to be funny. That scene of him walking down the street like Travolta was almost as funny as Jonah Jamison’s desk buzzer. In fact, the only attempt at “funny” that I thought they failed on was that scene where Jamison asks the kid for a camera. That could have been cut out but I guess they wanted to throw his character in one last time.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
I just hate how they spent thirty minuets trying to make Tobi look bad ass by giving him an emo haircut and the most retarded swagger I’ve ever seen in a movie.
Was that supposed to be funny? I really, really hope so.
I thought it was pretty damn obvious they were trying to be funny. That scene of him walking down the street like Travolta was almost as funny as Jonah Jamison’s desk buzzer. In fact, the only attempt at “funny” that I thought they failed on was that scene where Jamison asks the kid for a camera. That could have been cut out but I guess they wanted to throw his character in one last time.[/quote]
I really couldn’t tell. For awhile, I thought they were just trying to make him look ‘bad’ to separate him from ‘red suit spidi’.
I think the humor should’ve been cut back more, and their should have been more Venom.
Pretty much all super heroes are drawn as bodybuilders. If they started casting bodybuilders in all their parts the movies would definitely suffer and not be taken seriously at all.
I think the whole emo part unnecessary but funny nevertheless. POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT
Why the hell did Mary Jane break up with him on the threat that he’d kill Peter? He’s supposed to be Spiderman, does she just not have any faith at all in him?
Peter pissed me off because he was such a pussy, and it was borderline embarrassing to watch when he was doing that strutting around with the Emo gay hair, was he wearing eyeliner?
Harry/Goblin I really liked in this one, the new glider was sweet, as was the mask.
Venom was cool, and was much bigger (in the suit) than Spidey. I’m not a reader of the comics so don’t really have an opinion on whether they did the character justice. I though Topher was quite good as Eddie Brock, arrogant and kind of opposite to Peter.
The american flag shot was absolutely cringe-worthy.
They seemed to tie everything up at the end, do you spidey-experts think there is much more life in the franchise, story-wise?
I thought the movie was exceptional and pretty much lived up to all the hype. Yes, I too despise Topher Grace but plugging a bodybuilder into the role of Eddie Brock would have been ridiculous. First off, most bodybuilders can’t act worth shit (yes, including Ah-nold) and second Topher is a decent actor. It’s annoying that people “look for the right physique” in these comic movies and don’t realize that real actors with a modicum of talent are used in order to make the movie somewhat believable. I don’t think I need to bring up the origianal Punisher as an example. Here’s a question to those that hated the movie: “What would have satisfied your odd lust for total adherence to the comic?” Answer: nothing. You people exist to complain about every little detail that doesn’t stick to the comic perfectly. Here’s some news: It will never be exactly like the comic because…(drum roll)…It’s not a comic, it’s a movie (huge gasp).
I thought it was alright, kind of like the
Spiderman comics, quirky and entertaining but not as “dark and epic” as some of the others. Personally I prefer the more brooding, dont-give-a-fuck hero like Blade or Wolverine more, so I never got into Spiderman as much. The biggest thing that bothered me was that he let Sandman just walk away, or at least it seemed like that. I mean, it’s cool and all that he confessed to the murder of Ben Parker and he didn’t mean to do it and he’s sorry and blah blah… but in the movie Sandman had to have killed 100 people including numerous police officers. What kind of fucked up superhero lets him just walk away?
That said… if you just take the movie for what it’s worth and enjoy it, it is a fun movie. The fight sequences were cool and the CGI was drop-dead incredible. I mean, just look at the opening credit sequence and compare it to the first Spiderman movie- a world of difference.
[quote]chiefy wrote:
I thought the movie was exceptional and pretty much lived up to all the hype. Yes, I too despise Topher Grace but plugging a bodybuilder into the role of Eddie Brock would have been ridiculous. First off, most bodybuilders can’t act worth shit (yes, including Ah-nold) and second Topher is a decent actor. It’s annoying that people “look for the right physique” in these comic movies and don’t realize that real actors with a modicum of talent are used in order to make the movie somewhat believable. I don’t think I need to bring up the origianal Punisher as an example. Here’s a question to those that hated the movie: “What would have satisfied your odd lust for total adherence to the comic?” Answer: nothing. You people exist to complain about every little detail that doesn’t stick to the comic perfectly. Here’s some news: It will never be exactly like the comic because…(drum roll)…It’s not a comic, it’s a movie (huge gasp).[/quote]
I agree to an extent, but when Spider-Man is a huge part of your life growing up, and Venom is your all time favorite villian, then you tend to question the credibility that Topher Grace has in playing him.
Yeah, A-Dizz, I grew up reading the comic also and I used to get ultra sensitive at every detail (web-shooters, not taking shoes off to climb walls, etc.) but I just gave up. I realized that Hollywood does not live by the same code of comic book ethics and that a movie will never be a decent adaptation of a comic. Once I got over that hump I started just enjoying my favorite characters being on the big screen.
In the Marvel timeline, Spidey-3 is terribly flawed in comparision, but (sigh) oh well. It still entertained. It was worth purchasing tickets two weeks before hand and getting up at eight in the morning to get good seat for a ten a.m. showing.
[quote]chiefy wrote:
I thought the movie was exceptional and pretty much lived up to all the hype. Yes, I too despise Topher Grace but plugging a bodybuilder into the role of Eddie Brock would have been ridiculous. First off, most bodybuilders can’t act worth shit (yes, including Ah-nold) and second Topher is a decent actor. It’s annoying that people “look for the right physique” in these comic movies and don’t realize that real actors with a modicum of talent are used in order to make the movie somewhat believable. I don’t think I need to bring up the origianal Punisher as an example. Here’s a question to those that hated the movie: “What would have satisfied your odd lust for total adherence to the comic?” Answer: nothing. You people exist to complain about every little detail that doesn’t stick to the comic perfectly. Here’s some news: It will never be exactly like the comic because…(drum roll)…It’s not a comic, it’s a movie (huge gasp).[/quote]
Although you have a valid point, there is a flaw in your logic. The movie is BASED on the comic. So in order to have the feeling of a comic book come to life i.e. “Sin City” or “300”. You try and make it as close to the source material as possible. Why did X-men 3 suck so bad?? Because it totally drifted away from any X-men storyline that ever existed in recent memory. Also because the Juggernaught was some dude in a suit. Instead of making him a CGI creation they put some guy in a foam rubber suit and made him look silly. Things like that and a very skinny Eddie Brock/Venom takes us out of the “Comic come to life” fantasy and puts us into watching some dude in a suit mode.
Yes, casting body builders would be silly for some parts but could they not have casted a more muscular actor?? Or put Topher Grace in a gym so he didn’t look so damned skinny? I mean Ed Norton Bulked up for that movie American History X. He put on about 45 pounds and looked very convincing and menacing.
They casted Michael Clarke Duncan in the role of The Kingpin, although he was the wrong color his size made you look past his race. They made The Hulk totally CGI and it looked great, and sucked you into the action scenes and the story.
I really enjoyed Spider-Man 3, I just think it could have been better if they made Venom actually look like Venom, just the same way Sandman looked like Sandman.
