Speaking in Tongues

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
Professor X wrote:
…and for the record, I would only believe this is real or genuine (as far as motive or intent) coming from an elder of the church who has shown an extreme devotion to God. I am not one who believes everyone you hear doing this is being real. I believe some do it for the attention.

[/thread]

This is(was) not the point of speaking in tongues. The gift of tongues was given to apostles of Jesus Christ during the Pentacost. Tongues was simply a means of communicating with others who do not speak your language. It was a language that could be understood by everyone in proximity regardless of their native language. Many, including myself, believe it was a gift used for a certain time and for a certain purpose. It is not a gift used today. It was never intended to be used for communication with God. Where you got this information is beyond me. I have scripture I can use to back up my views but nobody gives a rip about scripture on this website.

Every man heard them speak in his own language (Acts 2:6)

But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled (1 Corinthians 13:8) Gifts of prophecy and gifts of tongues are not for today.

Just so you know, my father is a preacher. I am well aware of that scripture but does THIS look like the place to get into a discussion about this? The moment I would have mentioned anything about prophecy, this thread would get overrun by atheists who feel the need to berate belief in a higher power every single chance they get.

I kept my answer very simple and “white-washed” for a reason. I think the real question is why you didn’t understand this and needed some explanation when it is blatantly clear that I am right about how these people act.

If any of you actually want to discuss these things, QUIT TALKING ABOUT THEM HERE AND FIND A WEBSITE THAT HAS THAT FOCUS.

I am sick of the discussion on this forum concerning this because I know for a fact most of the people berating my intellect or knowledge base are far less intelligent or informed than they seem to think they are making going back and forth with them a waste of my time.[/quote]

Prof, I am sure that the discussions about religion here are every bit as well informed as the bodybuilding discussions on theology sites.

To be fair, this is the area to discuss world issues. If you don’t want to get into that discussion, just don’t post on the thread. Posting on the thread just to say that you don’t want to discuss it is a tad passive aggressive.

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I see this exactly the other way.

Precisely because opinions can clash here a real discussion can emerge.

The Internet has the peculiarity of letting various nerds and specialists stick under their favorite rocks even more.

A site that is contraire to that is welcome.

Believe it or not, I also feel VERY strongly about belief systems, humane ritual patterns and mythology.

The thing is that when people talk innocently about “the lord”, prayer and so on, they actually are the ones who instantly & aggressively stir up a debate. (for instance, how can anyone raise his voice about the greatest book without degrading all others instantly?)

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Professor X wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
Professor X wrote:
…and for the record, I would only believe this is real or genuine (as far as motive or intent) coming from an elder of the church who has shown an extreme devotion to God. I am not one who believes everyone you hear doing this is being real. I believe some do it for the attention.

[/thread]

This is(was) not the point of speaking in tongues. The gift of tongues was given to apostles of Jesus Christ during the Pentacost. Tongues was simply a means of communicating with others who do not speak your language. It was a language that could be understood by everyone in proximity regardless of their native language. Many, including myself, believe it was a gift used for a certain time and for a certain purpose. It is not a gift used today. It was never intended to be used for communication with God. Where you got this information is beyond me. I have scripture I can use to back up my views but nobody gives a rip about scripture on this website.

Every man heard them speak in his own language (Acts 2:6)

But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled (1 Corinthians 13:8) Gifts of prophecy and gifts of tongues are not for today.

Just so you know, my father is a preacher. I am well aware of that scripture but does THIS look like the place to get into a discussion about this? The moment I would have mentioned anything about prophecy, this thread would get overrun by atheists who feel the need to berate belief in a higher power every single chance they get.

I kept my answer very simple and “white-washed” for a reason. I think the real question is why you didn’t understand this and needed some explanation when it is blatantly clear that I am right about how these people act.

If any of you actually want to discuss these things, QUIT TALKING ABOUT THEM HERE AND FIND A WEBSITE THAT HAS THAT FOCUS.

I am sick of the discussion on this forum concerning this because I know for a fact most of the people berating my intellect or knowledge base are far less intelligent or informed than they seem to think they are making going back and forth with them a waste of my time.

Prof, I am sure that the discussions about religion here are every bit as well informed as the bodybuilding discussions on theology sites.

To be fair, this is the area to discuss world issues. If you don’t want to get into that discussion, just don’t post on the thread. Posting on the thread just to say that you don’t want to discuss it is a tad passive aggressive.[/quote]

This thread was originally in the Get a Life forum. You are the one who wasn’t following from the beginning. That is why it has so many posts from people who usually stay out of the political forum.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:

I’m speaking out because speaking in tongues is lunacy .[/quote]

Maybe it is and maybe it isn’t, but it takes far less than this for some atheists to attack Christians.

[quote]Like so often, you claim victimhood, EVEN when we’re narrowing the discussion down to a distinct phenomenon.
But because it perfectly displays the structural madness behind the whole, you feel guilty and subconciously decide it’s time to launch a counter attack.

[/quote]
You’re reaching pretty far with that one, you might better save your arm chair psychology for another time.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Professor X wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
Professor X wrote:
…and for the record, I would only believe this is real or genuine (as far as motive or intent) coming from an elder of the church who has shown an extreme devotion to God. I am not one who believes everyone you hear doing this is being real. I believe some do it for the attention.

[/thread]

This is(was) not the point of speaking in tongues. The gift of tongues was given to apostles of Jesus Christ during the Pentacost. Tongues was simply a means of communicating with others who do not speak your language. It was a language that could be understood by everyone in proximity regardless of their native language. Many, including myself, believe it was a gift used for a certain time and for a certain purpose. It is not a gift used today. It was never intended to be used for communication with God. Where you got this information is beyond me. I have scripture I can use to back up my views but nobody gives a rip about scripture on this website.

Every man heard them speak in his own language (Acts 2:6)

But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled (1 Corinthians 13:8) Gifts of prophecy and gifts of tongues are not for today.

Just so you know, my father is a preacher. I am well aware of that scripture but does THIS look like the place to get into a discussion about this? The moment I would have mentioned anything about prophecy, this thread would get overrun by atheists who feel the need to berate belief in a higher power every single chance they get.

I kept my answer very simple and “white-washed” for a reason. I think the real question is why you didn’t understand this and needed some explanation when it is blatantly clear that I am right about how these people act.

If any of you actually want to discuss these things, QUIT TALKING ABOUT THEM HERE AND FIND A WEBSITE THAT HAS THAT FOCUS.

I am sick of the discussion on this forum concerning this because I know for a fact most of the people berating my intellect or knowledge base are far less intelligent or informed than they seem to think they are making going back and forth with them a waste of my time.

Prof, I am sure that the discussions about religion here are every bit as well informed as the bodybuilding discussions on theology sites.

To be fair, this is the area to discuss world issues. If you don’t want to get into that discussion, just don’t post on the thread. Posting on the thread just to say that you don’t want to discuss it is a tad passive aggressive.

This thread was originally in the Get a Life forum. You are the one who wasn’t following from the beginning. That is why it has so many posts from people who usually stay out of the political forum.

[/quote]

Whichever it was in, if you don’t want to get into the discussion, why post?

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
For example, the longing for a caring mother goddess is so strong, Maria “Mother of God” stepped in to be worshipped in Catholicism. .[/quote]

Except we don’t worship Mary…

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Professor X wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
Professor X wrote:
…and for the record, I would only believe this is real or genuine (as far as motive or intent) coming from an elder of the church who has shown an extreme devotion to God. I am not one who believes everyone you hear doing this is being real. I believe some do it for the attention.

[/thread]

This is(was) not the point of speaking in tongues. The gift of tongues was given to apostles of Jesus Christ during the Pentacost. Tongues was simply a means of communicating with others who do not speak your language. It was a language that could be understood by everyone in proximity regardless of their native language. Many, including myself, believe it was a gift used for a certain time and for a certain purpose. It is not a gift used today. It was never intended to be used for communication with God. Where you got this information is beyond me. I have scripture I can use to back up my views but nobody gives a rip about scripture on this website.

Every man heard them speak in his own language (Acts 2:6)

But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled (1 Corinthians 13:8) Gifts of prophecy and gifts of tongues are not for today.

Just so you know, my father is a preacher. I am well aware of that scripture but does THIS look like the place to get into a discussion about this? The moment I would have mentioned anything about prophecy, this thread would get overrun by atheists who feel the need to berate belief in a higher power every single chance they get.

I kept my answer very simple and “white-washed” for a reason. I think the real question is why you didn’t understand this and needed some explanation when it is blatantly clear that I am right about how these people act.

If any of you actually want to discuss these things, QUIT TALKING ABOUT THEM HERE AND FIND A WEBSITE THAT HAS THAT FOCUS.

I am sick of the discussion on this forum concerning this because I know for a fact most of the people berating my intellect or knowledge base are far less intelligent or informed than they seem to think they are making going back and forth with them a waste of my time.

Prof, I am sure that the discussions about religion here are every bit as well informed as the bodybuilding discussions on theology sites.

To be fair, this is the area to discuss world issues. If you don’t want to get into that discussion, just don’t post on the thread. Posting on the thread just to say that you don’t want to discuss it is a tad passive aggressive.

This thread was originally in the Get a Life forum. You are the one who wasn’t following from the beginning. That is why it has so many posts from people who usually stay out of the political forum.

Whichever it was in, if you don’t want to get into the discussion, why post?[/quote]

Did you miss that I was already in the discussion from the beginning?

I am not here to try to convince anyone else to believe what I believe. So why would I go that in depth on a public forum that seems nearly overrun with atheists about religious topics that need faith to start with to actually get deep enough to be relevant? I already covered the basics and left it at that while trying to avoid discussion about prophecy because most of the people here couldn’t even comprehend it without making a joke of it.

Do any of you think you are changing anyone else’s mind here?

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
It’s telling to see how so many people try to defend this nonsense. Makes me sad and also a little bit angry.

I guess you can have your “spiritual experience”, as long as I can observe your frolicking in ignorance. This way, we both get something out of it.

[/quote]

I can see how this statement can be construed as an attack, so to clarify- Do you believe that this “frolicking in ignorance” statement applies only to speaking in tongues, Christianity as a whole, or the seeking of a spiritual experience as a concept?

You claim to feel very strongly about religions and rituals from what appears to be an academic standpoint, but do you actually believe in anything?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Professor X wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
Professor X wrote:
…and for the record, I would only believe this is real or genuine (as far as motive or intent) coming from an elder of the church who has shown an extreme devotion to God. I am not one who believes everyone you hear doing this is being real. I believe some do it for the attention.

[/thread]

This is(was) not the point of speaking in tongues. The gift of tongues was given to apostles of Jesus Christ during the Pentacost. Tongues was simply a means of communicating with others who do not speak your language. It was a language that could be understood by everyone in proximity regardless of their native language. Many, including myself, believe it was a gift used for a certain time and for a certain purpose. It is not a gift used today. It was never intended to be used for communication with God. Where you got this information is beyond me. I have scripture I can use to back up my views but nobody gives a rip about scripture on this website.

Every man heard them speak in his own language (Acts 2:6)

But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled (1 Corinthians 13:8) Gifts of prophecy and gifts of tongues are not for today.

Just so you know, my father is a preacher. I am well aware of that scripture but does THIS look like the place to get into a discussion about this? The moment I would have mentioned anything about prophecy, this thread would get overrun by atheists who feel the need to berate belief in a higher power every single chance they get.

I kept my answer very simple and “white-washed” for a reason. I think the real question is why you didn’t understand this and needed some explanation when it is blatantly clear that I am right about how these people act.

If any of you actually want to discuss these things, QUIT TALKING ABOUT THEM HERE AND FIND A WEBSITE THAT HAS THAT FOCUS.

I am sick of the discussion on this forum concerning this because I know for a fact most of the people berating my intellect or knowledge base are far less intelligent or informed than they seem to think they are making going back and forth with them a waste of my time.

Prof, I am sure that the discussions about religion here are every bit as well informed as the bodybuilding discussions on theology sites.

To be fair, this is the area to discuss world issues. If you don’t want to get into that discussion, just don’t post on the thread. Posting on the thread just to say that you don’t want to discuss it is a tad passive aggressive.

This thread was originally in the Get a Life forum. You are the one who wasn’t following from the beginning. That is why it has so many posts from people who usually stay out of the political forum.

Whichever it was in, if you don’t want to get into the discussion, why post?

Did you miss that I was already in the discussion from the beginning?

I am not here to try to convince anyone else to believe what I believe. So why would I go that in depth on a public forum that seems nearly overrun with atheists about religious topics that need faith to start with to actually get deep enough to be relevant? I already covered the basics and left it at that while trying to avoid discussion about prophecy because most of the people here couldn’t even comprehend it without making a joke of it.

Do any of you think you are changing anyone else’s mind here?[/quote]

Fair enough.

Mind you to say that an atheist can’t have a view on religion is a bit of a stretch. Most atheists have at some point followed some sort of religion due to the indoctrination that happens from childhood in most countries.

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Religion is boring and is based on a dualistic pretense. If your religious you have to be a dualist. The whole spirit/body are seperate deal. They aren’t.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
For example, the longing for a caring mother goddess is so strong, Maria “Mother of God” stepped in to be worshipped in Catholicism. .

Except we don’t worship Mary…[/quote]

LOL

Sure you don’t. I grew up Catholic, and to say Mary isn’t worshiped in Catholicism is purely semantic. Other religions see Catholicism as polytheistic for good reason.

In regions outside of America and Europe, she’s emphasized a lot in the Mother Goddess role because it’s a good way to supplant local beliefs that run along the same lines.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
For example, the longing for a caring mother goddess is so strong, Maria “Mother of God” stepped in to be worshipped in Catholicism. .

Except we don’t worship Mary…[/quote]

Fuck you, us Catholics do.

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[quote]buffalokilla wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
For example, the longing for a caring mother goddess is so strong, Maria “Mother of God” stepped in to be worshipped in Catholicism. .

Except we don’t worship Mary…

LOL

Sure you don’t. I grew up Catholic, and to say Mary isn’t worshiped in Catholicism is purely semantic. Other religions see Catholicism as polytheistic for good reason.

In regions outside of America and Europe, she’s emphasized a lot in the Mother Goddess role because it’s a good way to supplant local beliefs that run along the same lines.

[/quote]

If you’re worshipping Mary, you’ve ceased practicing Catholicism. No semantics involved. The doctrine of the Church identifies the Trinity; Father, Son, Holy Spirit. No Mary. Period. That isn’t my opinion, but Church doctrine.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
buffalokilla wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
For example, the longing for a caring mother goddess is so strong, Maria “Mother of God” stepped in to be worshipped in Catholicism. .

Except we don’t worship Mary…

LOL

Sure you don’t. I grew up Catholic, and to say Mary isn’t worshiped in Catholicism is purely semantic. Other religions see Catholicism as polytheistic for good reason.

In regions outside of America and Europe, she’s emphasized a lot in the Mother Goddess role because it’s a good way to supplant local beliefs that run along the same lines.

If you’re worshipping Mary, you’ve ceased practicing Catholicism. No semantics involved. The doctrine of the Church identifies the Trinity; Father, Son, Holy Spirit. No Mary. Period. That isn’t my opinion, but Church doctrine.[/quote]

Funny how the catholics will happily count all those people when they need large numbers to make an argument though.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Funny how the catholics will happily count all those people when they need large numbers to make an argument though.[/quote]

It’s funny how Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Socialists, Capitalists, Protestants, Catholics, Agnostics, and Athiests, use self-reported numbers to come up with statistics. Even if individuals are inevitably counted who might hold serious doctrinal/ideological differences in spite of the group they’ve reported to be a part of. But, what was your point?

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That is MY POINT here.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
It’s telling to see how so many people try to defend this nonsense. Makes me sad and also a little bit angry.

I guess you can have your “spiritual experience”, as long as I can observe your frolicking in ignorance. This way, we both get something out of it.

I can see how this statement can be construed as an attack, so to clarify- Do you believe that this “frolicking in ignorance” statement applies only to speaking in tongues, Christianity as a whole, or the seeking of a spiritual experience as a concept?

You claim to feel very strongly about religions and rituals from what appears to be an academic standpoint, but do you actually believe in anything?
[/quote]
Yes, my statement was directed mainly to “speaking in tongues”.

However, my opinion regarding religion, especially the abrahemic ones is rather averse.

Everyone can believe what he wants. But people often fail to see organized religion is TNT.
It is dangerous stuff specifically made to invade, unite (nations, not souls, and forcefully, not amiably) and distort history.

If someone can recite psalms for himself and draw strength from that, this is wonderful.
But the moment he makes his children memorize that stuff, it can become questionable for me.
And if whole classes of children learn the stories or get bombarded systematically through the media in a onesided fashion, this is nothing but a declaration of war.

Spiritualiy is so personal and delicate.
One mind can hardly traverse the bridge to a few others and share real thoughts, real emotions.
How can someone believe to “teach” a “religion” systematically to millions?

Mass produced litanies have nothing in common with this.

I don’t even started to mention how absurd the historic claims are.
If someone’s into that, he can as well believe in Santa or Weider Routines.

I had my personal heureka when reading Dostojevsky’s Brothers Karamasov.
What counts is not if it’s true (love, compassion, forgiveness, eternal life) but that we so desperately want to see it and that beautiful things can emerge from these believes.

However, organized religion like we know it is a joke and is just a social self-constructed power engine.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
buffalokilla wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
For example, the longing for a caring mother goddess is so strong, Maria “Mother of God” stepped in to be worshipped in Catholicism. .

Except we don’t worship Mary…

LOL

Sure you don’t. I grew up Catholic, and to say Mary isn’t worshiped in Catholicism is purely semantic. Other religions see Catholicism as polytheistic for good reason.

In regions outside of America and Europe, she’s emphasized a lot in the Mother Goddess role because it’s a good way to supplant local beliefs that run along the same lines.

If you’re worshipping Mary, you’ve ceased practicing Catholicism. No semantics involved. The doctrine of the Church identifies the Trinity; Father, Son, Holy Spirit. No Mary. Period. That isn’t my opinion, but Church doctrine.[/quote]

Doctrine, schmocktrine.

There are more Mary worshipers out there than protestants.

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[quote]orion wrote:

There are more Mary worshipers out there than protestants.

[/quote]

That’s fine. However, they’re heretics.

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Let me tell you how it works in organized religion:
If they’re the unopposed majority…guess who’s the heretic soon enough?