You mean the racist quotes from Pastor Wright? The ones that were reported in almost every form of media in the the country?
Why don’t you be a big boy and look them up yourself. Start with the Internet.
Your argument is very feeble, but you know this right?
Look Professor Post, we all get it. This is the first viable black candidate that has ever run for President and you love him to pieces, no problem. If I were you I might just feel the same way. But, stop pretending that his Pastor of 20 years is not a racist. And while your at it stop pretending that Obama didn’t understand that he was part of a racist Church.
Really…you’re doing yourself no good with this nonsense.
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You’re not too bright…but everyone knows that. Find the quotes or quit acting like there is so much there that isn’t.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
dk44 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
dk44 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Deus vult wrote:
Hear, hear. Dont you worry he aint gonna win and if he does … well does martin luther king ring a bell
Mind you, this was supposed to be funny…and no one says a word in protest.
So I’m a racist cuz I didn’t type “lol.” Yet Wright isn’t a racist for all the shit he said. Right.
No, the point is many who claim people should protest and walk out when something poltically incorrect gets stated in front of them don’t seem to say a word to many of the comments that have been written in these threads.
No one expects every comment to get a response. But, I am pretty sure that this post was up long enough for more people to see it before I responded.
Also, these are the types of idiots brpought out when so much focus gets thrown on this one pastor instead of where th focus should be…on who is actually going to get into the White House whether you personally like them or not.
These forums aren’t my “place of worship,” these forums aren’t my “spiritual guiding light.” Your a very smart guy, so you know how politics work. This is the YouTube generation so you better watch your ass. I don’t think Obama should be hung from a tree or that he is a racist, but to act like this shouldn’t hurt his campaign at all is crazy. Like this is the first time some dirt has been dug up on a politican.
No one is surprised by dirt. People are surprised by the amount of attention the relatively insignificant piece of dirt they’ve found is getting. the only reason there aren’t MORE Obama threads is because we started joking about them.[/quote]
I still don’t get the fuss over Obama’s pastor. It’s absolutely idiotic, just like the John Kerry Swiftboat BS. I didn’t vote for Kerry and I won’t be voting for Obama, but not because of stupid fake scandals from their past. Honestly, people are really concerned about borderline offensive, kind of kooky stuff his pastor said years ago?
This is more important than the fact that we’re losing two wars, the economy is a house of cards, we abort a million babies a year, our popular culture is increasingly a cesspool…Fuck, worry about something important. Base your vote on the policies of the candidates, and where they want to take the country. This shit is as bad as those absurd steroid hearings in Congress.
I still don’t get the fuss over Obama’s pastor. It’s absolutely idiotic, just like the John Kerry Swiftboat BS. I didn’t vote for Kerry and I won’t be voting for Obama, but not because of stupid fake scandals from their past. Honestly, people are really concerned about borderline offensive, kind of kooky stuff his pastor said years ago?
This is more important than the fact that we’re losing two wars, the economy is a house of cards, we abort a million babies a year, our popular culture is increasingly a cesspool…Fuck, worry about something important. Base your vote on the policies of the candidates, and where they want to take the country. This shit is as bad as those absurd steroid hearings in Congress.[/quote]
I would like to agree with you, but I just can not let the kid say something like that. I understand politicians are shifty, when it comes to public/political affairs. Situations change, and opinions can be changed.
But as a man, you have to be consistent in your beliefs. I take offense when a mother fucker sits there for twenty years and does not protest, even silently, and actually supports a man preaching his philosophy. Then as soon as the mother fucker sitting in the seat there listening and believing the philosophy hits the presidential light, detests the other man’s philosophy just as if he has not spent the past twenty years sitting in that house of worship.
I am sorry, but if your belief is that white man is evil, and white man will always put down the black man or whatever the preacher might be preaching. You better take that philosophy to the oval office and be open about it.
I get grief for how I believe, but guess what that is how I believe. Some group of punks are not going to change that.
Just what is there to explain? Anyone that isn’t colorblind, owns a map and has once looked at a history book can figure that out.
I’m all for diplomacy but discussion or “explanation” of your “struggles” is not a “friendly” gesture. It’s digressive, egotistical, ignorant and generally a waste of breath. Understand and respect people for the struggle that we all endure as the people of a elitist governed society.
We are still segregated socially, geographically and economically.
Keep this in mind; “Friends don’t need an explanation, and your enemies don’t deserve one.”[/quote]
What is there to explain? What ever the fuck you got a problem with, that is what there is explain. Yes, I am sure that some people know plenty well what black people suffer with. On the other hand, there is a lot of uneducated people that have no clue.
Well what ever you are talking about might not be friendly, but being friendly sure the hell is know as being a “friendly” gesture. When a friend needs help and they go to another mother fucker and says this is my “struggle” and then gives an “explanation” of what is on the up and up. That white mother fucker just might help that other person in what he needs. If you have not noticed how the white man has staid strong in America is by networking and staying a group. Most white people do not divide themselves from other white people.
Waste of breath huh? Well, last time I checked when any mother fucker came to me and asked me for help and told me what he was going through and why he needed my help, I sure did have more sympathy then I did when he was just hollerin’ and complaining. The difference between you and me is that I network and you just think if everyone respects each other’s struggles they will get by. Well, I ain’t about getting by, I am about moving forward.
So what if we are separated socially and geographically, you think a white person is going to just move in to a Watts Project, so there is no segregation or something? No, they are going to try and go to the safest place they can. Even for a black man projects are not safe, even when the cops are not allowed to go in.
Do not start me on economically segregation, my mentors are richer than me and the majority of them happen to be black and I find myself pretty wealthy, so economically speaking, every one is on his own feet, so he can do his stuff to his own beat.
If you are talking about mingling with the different pay levels, again another socialistic view my brother. Last time I checked, men that made billions of dollars were not playing 80 bucks to play a round of golf when they had to drop a couple of million dollars to be a member of a country club. I have not seen a lot of them hit the street corners to play a little craps with the pimps working the concrete. Most of them are making big deals with other big whales.
There have been plenty of colored men that have been in places where most white people aren’t. I am sorry that I do not sympathize with your socialistic view of this world. I am sorry that I believe you get what you get, if you think it’s possible then it sure damn is possible. You just have to use your resources and what wits you have to get what you want.
Your little quote is more ignorant then you my brother. So, you telling me that if you are giving your best friend’s sister the pink salami, that he does not need an explanation of why you did not say anything? Or are you just saying that you do not have any friends?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
What is there to explain? What ever the fuck you got a problem with, that is what there is explain. Yes, I am sure that some people know plenty well what black people suffer with. On the other hand, there is a lot of uneducated people that have no clue.[/quote]
Not my job to educate them. White people should know how to take the initiative to educate themselves.
Democrats and Republicans.
You almost sound intelligible here.
You don’t know me. And yes, respect everyones struggle, it wouldn’t be a struggle if it was a constant digression.
Join the club. It’s called “The People of the United States”
I have a slogan too. “Pay your taxes, or get locked up.”
Why should anyone feel the need to explain it when you do a decent job. I’m assuming you’re white. And since you’re white, you should ban together with your “uneducated” white people and teach them that Watts is not a nice place to live.
Generalities.
Not that many. Plenty is a relative term.
Or not enough, I should say.
[quote]Your little quote is more ignorant then you my brother. So, you telling me that if you are giving your best friend’s sister the pink salami, that he does not need an explanation of why you did not say anything? Or are you just saying that you do not have any friends?
Brother Christopher[/quote]
First off, I know you’re from Alabama and all but not everyone in the entire United States is related to you, just most of the people in your town. I would appreciate you stop calling me brother, I don’t think my dad fucked your mom. Maybe he did but that would make you half black.
Second, my penis isn’t pink, and it’s not lunch meat either. Go get something to eat if you’re hungry.
Third, no. Why would I fuck my best friends sister? That’s where you’re missing out on the respect thing. You might wanna get that straightened out before you leave high school. The real world doesn’t like that kind of thing. Then again, I see a whole lot of sweet home Alabama in your future anyway. Well, that and a really big dysfunctional family.
You’re not too bright…but everyone knows that. Find the quotes or quit acting like there is so much there that isn’t.
You’re not paying attention again “doctor” (chuckle). I told you to look them up yourself. They’ve been reported by every major news media.
Look Professor Post, It’s okay if you want to live in la la land but don’t expect the rest of us to accept your hogwash.
The rest of us know what he’s all about and we’re laughing at your feeble defense. Oh… and middle America will reject him if he’s lucky enough to get past the ugly Clinton machine.
That’ll be a sad day for you huh?
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Everyone knows what every major media reported.
3 minutes out of twenty years. That is nothing. Had they had more, they would have sended it. They haven´t.
What is even more important, what was aired was neither racist nor did it come close to the teachings of the KKK. Most of these sermons make sense when seen in context. You have every opportunity to look at the context, you just refuse to do so.
Furthermore, “everybody knows its true” is not an argument but a logic fallacy.
Finally, accusing others of making shit up and using feeble defenses does not have the impact you imagine it to have considering that you have avoided posting proof for your allegations for more than 50 pages on 2-3 threads now.
I just received this in an email with an attachment asking everybody to ‘email CNN’ …and complain about the inflammatory remark from Lou Dobbs. Near the end of his diatribe, he nearly uses the word ‘cotton picking’ when he gets worked up…(all that comes out is ‘cotton’ but the rest has been assumed.)
Was this a freudian slip of a racial slur to you? Or just somebody who realized he was using the wrong expletive ‘substitute’ word at the wrong time?
Guess what idiot? I no more have to repeat the hateful racist words of Wright than I have to post line for line the US constitution.
It’s there for the world to see…pretending that it does not exist will only get you laughed at.
But…being an austrian lef wing wacko you’re probably used to that.[/quote]
You cannot come up with it, can you?
You also cannot come up with anything to support your claims of my left leaning tendencies either.
It is all in your head, which becomes increasingly amusing.
I mean, I know how this works in your mind, anyone disagreeing with you is a “liberal”, but, in what I like to call the “real world”, that is not enough.
Mick28,what are you trying to accomplish???
You 've made it clear that you feel like Obama is a racist. BIG FUCKING DEAL. So what now? Are you bringing to light to the world that Obama is a racist?
Do you know more than whats been “exposed” to MILLIONS of people?? NO. So shut the fuck up. Let everyone make there own judgments…you’re turning into a disease on these threads with the same redundant shit…thats why you’re so predictable.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
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Everyone knows what every major media reported.
3 minutes out of twenty years. That is nothing. Had they had more, they would have sended it. They haven´t.
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Those three minutes were recorded by the church and sold on their DVD’s. The media did not record his sermons for 20 years so we have no record.[/quote]
Now having no record sounds quite different.
These are the records we have:
This is the context of some of his more controversial remarks:
Sermon clips
During the 2008 Presidential campaign, Wright’s beliefs and previous remarks became heavily scrutinized, due to his relationship with Democratic Presidential candidate Barack Obama. Critics have accused Wright of using Black liberation theology to promote black separatism.[18] Wright has tempered this notion by saying that “The African-centered point of view does not assume superiority, nor does it assume separatism. It assumes Africans speaking for themselves as subjects in history, not objects in history.” [19]
In another sermon eventually published by the press, Wright ended his message with a blessing on all people, saying “All of God’s children white, black, red, yellow, male, female, all together”.[20][21]
An article in Time magazine noted, "Much of white America is unfamiliar with the milieu of the black church. When clips from Wright’s sermons began circulating, many whites heard divisive, angry, unpatriotic pronouncements on race, class and country. Many blacks, on the other hand, heard something more familiar: righteous anger about oppression and deliberate hyperbole in laying blame, which are common in sermons delivered in black churches every Sunday.[22]
[edit] Comments after September 11
In March 2008, ABC News broadcast sound bites[23] from a sermon that Wright gave shortly after September 11, 2001,[24][25] in which Wright paraphrased Edward Peck,[26] former U.S. Chief of Mission in Iraq, former deputy director of the White House Task Force on Terrorism under the Reagan Administration and former U.S. Ambassador to a number of countries, who was appearing on Fox News, as allegedly having said: “We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye…and now we are indignant, because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.” Wright went on to state: “Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y�??all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people that we have wounded don�??t have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that.”[23]
[edit] Comments about the government
Sound bites from a sermon that Wright gave in 2003, entitled �??Confusing God and Government�??, were also shown on ABC’s Good Morning America[25] and Fox News, in which Wright made apparently controversial statements about God and the U.S. Government. In the sermon, Wright first makes the distinction between God and governments, and points out that many governments in the past have failed: “Where governments lie, God does not lie. Where governments change, God does not change.”[27] Wright then states: “And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating her citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains, the government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton field, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness.”[27] Wright concludes by stating:" The government gives them the drugs,[28] built bigger prisons, passes a three strike law, and then wants us to sing God bless America. No, no, no, not God bless America! God damn America �?? that’s in the Bible �?? for killing innocent people. God damn America, for treating her citizens as less than human. God damn America, as long as she pretends to act like she is God, and she is supreme. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent."[27][29]
In one of his sermons, Reverend Wright said, “Fact number one: We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college,” he intones. “Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!..We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional KILLERS. . . . We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. . . . We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. . . . We care nothing about human life if the ends justify the means!..And. And. And! GAWD! Has GOT! To be SICK! OF THIS SH*T!”“.”[30]
[edit] HIV comment
Also in “Confusing God and Government,” Wright makes a statement in which he espouses his views on the involvement of the United States government with the Tuskegee experiment and the invention and propagation of the HIV virus. This statement was also widely aired in March 2008 on Fox News and YouTube.[31] Wright states: �??The government lied about the Tuskegee experiment. They purposely infected African American men with syphilis. Governments lie. The government lied about bombing Cambodia and Richard Nixon stood in front of the camera, �??Let me make myself perfectly clear�?��?? Governments lie. The government lied about the drugs for arms Contra scheme orchestrated by Oliver North, and then the government pardoned all the perpetrators so they could get better jobs in the government. Governments lie.�?? [32] Wright went on to state: �??The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. Governments lie. The government lied about a connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein and a connection between 9.11.01 and Operation Iraqi Freedom. Governments lie.�??[32]
[edit] Trip to Libya
A gaffe of Wright’s has been quoted in the media: “When [Obama�??s] enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli to visit Muammar al-Gaddafi with Farrakhan, a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell.”[33] The 1984 trip Wright was referring to was when he traveled to Libya and Syria on a peace mission along with an ecumenical body of ministers. Chaired by Rev. M. William Howard and led on the ground by Rev. Jesse Jackson who brought about a dozen other ministers including Minister Louis Farrakhan, the trip resulted in the freeing of United States Navy pilot Lt. Robert Goodman, who was captured after his fighter jet had been shot down over Lebanon.[34] [35] [36] [37] At a January 4, 1984 White House ceremony welcoming Lt. Goodman home, U.S. President Ronald Reagan stated, “Reverend Jackson’s mission was a personal mission of mercy, and he has earned our gratitude and our admiration.”[38] Wright has stated that his participation in the trip implied no endorsement of either Louis Farrakhan�??s views or Gaddafi�??s, both controversial Islamic figures.[18]
