Speak Out, White Americans!

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
greekdawg wrote:
Actually if you were paying attention he did rebuke it on CNN, the negative and controversial things his pastor said.

He listened to it for 20 years and didn’t say shit. It was only when the media spotlight was turned up high did he comment on it. Pretty phony. Typical politician.

no he didn´t.

He listened to it 3 minutes 50 seconds out of 20 years, assuming he attended each and every one of Wrights sermons.

Assuming these were the only things Wright said in 20 years which seems to be a pretty poor assumption since Obama himself dis-invited Wright to his big event last year.

Since the clips were provided by Wrights own church it seems likely that the worst stuff was edited out before we had a chance to see it.

I fail to see the issue if a man has gone to the lengths Obama has to distance himself from the man.

I have tried to explain it before but some of you think my perspective is too poor…at least less substantial than your own.

Wrights message isn’t much different than you would hear from MANY (shit, MOST) older black people if you happened to be black yourself. Most of us growing up with grandmothers and grandfathers who experienced much of that could go on for hours about it. They would never do that in front of a white person, but they still hold those feelings and views.

It is ridiculous to claim your position (one of a white person who never even apparently knew these emotions existed until recently) knows the proper response. To many of us, it is old hat and barely noticeable. I expect it when speaking to an older black person in private or with a group of other black people.

If you haven’t figured out yet, that is their greiving process. While no one born after 1980 can claim the same experience, there are too many who can. That pain doesn’t evaporate. It also isn’t “shocking” to those of us who actually understand the culture.

You are holding one man responsible for the words of another and judging those words through the ears of someone who has never even experienced what we are discussing. That makes no sense. Something like this shouldn’t happen on either side of the aisle, especially with no attempt to even understand why a black person would handle that situation differently than a white person who had been shielded from how bad things actually were in this country.

How much do you want to bet that most here didn’t even know about the Tuskegee experiment before we discussed it here?

Why is that?[/quote]

I am holding Obama responsible for his own actions. He is a typical weasel.

He sat in this mans church listening to his crap for 20 years not because Obama is a racist but because he wanted support from the black community. He claims he considered Wright a mentor but he didn’t even let the man speak at his own presidential announcement because he knew the guy was a problem.

When he was confronted by Wright’s racist sermons he claimed he never heard them (or at least sat in the pew). This was a BLATANT LIE.

When confronted again with more facts he claimed he knew of them but didn’t agree with them. He then threw Wright and his own grandmother under the bus.

Since Obama doesn’t bring anything to the table other the the fact he claims to be a change from the typical politician, yet he acts like a slimy politician on this issue it makes me wonder why anyone would support him.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:

Since Obama doesn’t bring anything to the table other the the fact he claims to be a change from the typical politician, yet he acts like a slimy politician on this issue it makes me wonder why anyone would support him.

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Possibly because America as a whole is sick of people being in office who had their entire lives cherry picked for them before they were born who cater to corporations in such a blatant way that no one can deny it. He just might win and it will simply be because he isn’t exactly the same. He’s something this country has never seen before as a president.

I wanted your specific attention to why America seems to be so clueless as a whole to what has actually gone on in this country. That was why I asked what I did about the Tuskegee Experiment.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

Since Obama doesn’t bring anything to the table other the the fact he claims to be a change from the typical politician, yet he acts like a slimy politician on this issue it makes me wonder why anyone would support him.

Possibly because America as a whole is sick of people being in office who had their entire lives cherry picked for them before they were born who cater to corporations in such a blatant way that no one can deny it. He just might win and it will simply be because he isn’t exactly the same. He’s something this country has never seen before as a president.

I wanted your specific attention to why America seems to be so clueless as a whole to what has actually gone on in this country. That was why I asked what I did about the Tuskegee Experiment.[/quote]

People are clueless about everything. It is not always about skin color. How many people know about the germ warfare experiments in San Francisco and other cities?

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
greekdawg wrote:
Actually if you were paying attention he did rebuke it on CNN, the negative and controversial things his pastor said.

He listened to it for 20 years and didn’t say shit. It was only when the media spotlight was turned up high did he comment on it. Pretty phony. Typical politician.

no he didn´t.

He listened to it 3 minutes 50 seconds out of 20 years, assuming he attended each and every one of Wrights sermons.

Assuming these were the only things Wright said in 20 years which seems to be a pretty poor assumption since Obama himself dis-invited Wright to his big event last year.

Since the clips were provided by Wrights own church it seems likely that the worst stuff was edited out before we had a chance to see it.

I fail to see the issue if a man has gone to the lengths Obama has to distance himself from the man.

I have tried to explain it before but some of you think my perspective is too poor…at least less substantial than your own.

Wrights message isn’t much different than you would hear from MANY (shit, MOST) older black people if you happened to be black yourself. Most of us growing up with grandmothers and grandfathers who experienced much of that could go on for hours about it. They would never do that in front of a white person, but they still hold those feelings and views.

It is ridiculous to claim your position (one of a white person who never even apparently knew these emotions existed until recently) knows the proper response. To many of us, it is old hat and barely noticeable. I expect it when speaking to an older black person in private or with a group of other black people.

If you haven’t figured out yet, that is their greiving process. While no one born after 1980 can claim the same experience, there are too many who can. That pain doesn’t evaporate. It also isn’t “shocking” to those of us who actually understand the culture.

You are holding one man responsible for the words of another and judging those words through the ears of someone who has never even experienced what we are discussing. That makes no sense. Something like this shouldn’t happen on either side of the aisle, especially with no attempt to even understand why a black person would handle that situation differently than a white person who had been shielded from how bad things actually were in this country.

How much do you want to bet that most here didn’t even know about the Tuskegee experiment before we discussed it here?

Why is that?

I am holding Obama responsible for his own actions. He is a typical weasel.

He sat in this mans church listening to his crap for 20 years not because Obama is a racist but because he wanted support from the black community. He claims he considered Wright a mentor but he didn’t even let the man speak at his own presidential announcement because he knew the guy was a problem.

When he was confronted by Wright’s racist sermons he claimed he never heard them (or at least sat in the pew). This was a BLATANT LIE.

When confronted again with more facts he claimed he knew of them but didn’t agree with them. He then threw Wright and his own grandmother under the bus.

Since Obama doesn’t bring anything to the table other the the fact he claims to be a change from the typical politician, yet he acts like a slimy politician on this issue it makes me wonder why anyone would support him.

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Hear, hear. Dont you worry he aint gonna win and if he does … well does martin luther king ring a bell :slight_smile:

i think there is a difference in those who are racist(i think my race is better than yours, or your race is inherently inferior to mine) vs. people who just don’t like or “hate” another race for various reasons, real or contrived. in what little i heard of Rev. Wrights sermons, it is the latter imho.

ps: just for the record, if you are not a spic/redneck mix like i am, you are inferior. sorry.

[quote]Deus vult wrote:

Hear, hear. Dont you worry he aint gonna win and if he does … well does martin luther king ring a bell :slight_smile:
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Mind you, this was supposed to be funny…and no one says a word in protest.

[quote]Deus vult wrote:
Hear, hear. Dont you worry he aint gonna win and if he does … well does martin luther king ring a bell :slight_smile:
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WTF? I see I have a lot to catch up with. I was out town since Sunday.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Deus vult wrote:

Hear, hear. Dont you worry he aint gonna win and if he does … well does martin luther king ring a bell :slight_smile:

Mind you, this was supposed to be funny…and no one says a word in protest.[/quote]

So I’m a racist cuz I didn’t type “lol.” Yet Wright isn’t a racist for all the shit he said. Right.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Deus vult wrote:

Hear, hear. Dont you worry he aint gonna win and if he does … well does martin luther king ring a bell :slight_smile:

Mind you, this was supposed to be funny…and no one says a word in protest.[/quote]

Just read it. I protest. Not funny. Ugly thing to say. Am I absolved of my sins now?

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Deus vult wrote:
Hear, hear. Dont you worry he aint gonna win and if he does … well does martin luther king ring a bell :slight_smile:

WTF? I see I have a lot to catch up with. I was out town since Sunday. [/quote]

Suuuure you’re just now seeing it. Obviously, the truth is that you like mean racial jokes.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Deus vult wrote:
Hear, hear. Dont you worry he aint gonna win and if he does … well does martin luther king ring a bell :slight_smile:

WTF? I see I have a lot to catch up with. I was out town since Sunday.

Suuuure you’re just now seeing it. Obviously, the truth is that you like mean racial jokes.[/quote]

You got me…I’ll will now go pluck a mango out my backyard and think on it.

[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
You got me…I’ll will now go pluck a mango out my backyard and think on it. [/quote]

And, I’m not sure how to follow that up. I’ll grab an orange from the fridge, maybe?

[quote]dk44 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Deus vult wrote:

Hear, hear. Dont you worry he aint gonna win and if he does … well does martin luther king ring a bell :slight_smile:

Mind you, this was supposed to be funny…and no one says a word in protest.

So I’m a racist cuz I didn’t type “lol.” Yet Wright isn’t a racist for all the shit he said. Right. [/quote]

No, the point is many who claim people should protest and walk out when something poltically incorrect gets stated in front of them don’t seem to say a word to many of the comments that have been written in these threads.

No one expects every comment to get a response. But, I am pretty sure that this post was up long enough for more people to see it before I responded.

Also, these are the types of idiots brpought out when so much focus gets thrown on this one pastor instead of where th focus should be…on who is actually going to get into the White House whether you personally like them or not.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
dk44 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Deus vult wrote:

Hear, hear. Dont you worry he aint gonna win and if he does … well does martin luther king ring a bell :slight_smile:

Mind you, this was supposed to be funny…and no one says a word in protest.

So I’m a racist cuz I didn’t type “lol.” Yet Wright isn’t a racist for all the shit he said. Right.

No, the point is many who claim people should protest and walk out when something poltically incorrect gets stated in front of them don’t seem to say a word to many of the comments that have been written in these threads.

No one expects every comment to get a response. But, I am pretty sure that this post was up long enough for more people to see it before I responded.

Also, these are the types of idiots brpought out when so much focus gets thrown on this one pastor instead of where th focus should be…on who is actually going to get into the White House whether you personally like them or not.[/quote]

These forums aren’t my “place of worship,” these forums aren’t my “spiritual guiding light.” Your a very smart guy, so you know how politics work. This is the YouTube generation so you better watch your ass. I don’t think Obama should be hung from a tree or that he is a racist, but to act like this shouldn’t hurt his campaign at all is crazy. Like this is the first time some dirt has been dug up on a politican.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
You got me…I’ll will now go pluck a mango out my backyard and think on it.

And, I’m not sure how to follow that up. I’ll grab an orange from the fridge, maybe?[/quote]

lol…its a reference to something HH posted on What Price For White Skin:

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Let’s face it: if its always warm and all you have to do to eat is pluck a mango off of a branch, you’re less likely to be driven to get a Phd.[/quote]

[quote]dk44 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
dk44 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Deus vult wrote:

Hear, hear. Dont you worry he aint gonna win and if he does … well does martin luther king ring a bell :slight_smile:

Mind you, this was supposed to be funny…and no one says a word in protest.

So I’m a racist cuz I didn’t type “lol.” Yet Wright isn’t a racist for all the shit he said. Right.

No, the point is many who claim people should protest and walk out when something poltically incorrect gets stated in front of them don’t seem to say a word to many of the comments that have been written in these threads.

No one expects every comment to get a response. But, I am pretty sure that this post was up long enough for more people to see it before I responded.

Also, these are the types of idiots brpought out when so much focus gets thrown on this one pastor instead of where th focus should be…on who is actually going to get into the White House whether you personally like them or not.

These forums aren’t my “place of worship,” these forums aren’t my “spiritual guiding light.” Your a very smart guy, so you know how politics work. This is the YouTube generation so you better watch your ass. I don’t think Obama should be hung from a tree or that he is a racist, but to act like this shouldn’t hurt his campaign at all is crazy. Like this is the first time some dirt has been dug up on a politican. [/quote]

No one is surprised by dirt. People are surprised by the amount of attention the relatively insignificant piece of dirt they’ve found is getting. the only reason there aren’t MORE Obama threads is because we started joking about them.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
dk44 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
dk44 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Deus vult wrote:

Hear, hear. Dont you worry he aint gonna win and if he does … well does martin luther king ring a bell :slight_smile:

Mind you, this was supposed to be funny…and no one says a word in protest.

So I’m a racist cuz I didn’t type “lol.” Yet Wright isn’t a racist for all the shit he said. Right.

No, the point is many who claim people should protest and walk out when something poltically incorrect gets stated in front of them don’t seem to say a word to many of the comments that have been written in these threads.

No one expects every comment to get a response. But, I am pretty sure that this post was up long enough for more people to see it before I responded.

Also, these are the types of idiots brpought out when so much focus gets thrown on this one pastor instead of where th focus should be…on who is actually going to get into the White House whether you personally like them or not.

These forums aren’t my “place of worship,” these forums aren’t my “spiritual guiding light.” Your a very smart guy, so you know how politics work. This is the YouTube generation so you better watch your ass. I don’t think Obama should be hung from a tree or that he is a racist, but to act like this shouldn’t hurt his campaign at all is crazy. Like this is the first time some dirt has been dug up on a politican.

No one is surprised by dirt. People are surprised by the amount of attention the relatively insignificant piece of dirt they’ve found is getting. the only reason there aren’t MORE Obama threads is because we started joking about them.[/quote]

He is running for the Fucking President of the United States, in the words of Ron Burgundy “I don’t know how to put this, but I’m (Obama) kind of a big deal.” Who would have thought? No offense ProX, but if YOU were going to this church nobody would give a shit. Just like if I say nappy headed hoe, Al Sharpton isn’t going to show up at my house…hold on someone is at the door.