During the 2008 Presidential campaign, Wright’s beliefs and previous remarks became heavily scrutinized, due to his relationship with Democratic Presidential candidate Barack Obama. Critics have accused Wright of using Black liberation theology to promote black separatism.[18] Wright has tempered this notion by saying that[b] “The African-centered point of view does not assume superiority, nor does it assume separatism. It assumes Africans speaking for themselves as subjects in history, not objects in history.” [19]
In another sermon eventually published by the press, Wright ended his message with a blessing on all people, saying “All of God’s children white, black, red, yellow, male, female, all together”.[20][21][/b]
An article in Time magazine noted, "Much of white America is unfamiliar with the milieu of the black church. When clips from Wright’s sermons began circulating, many whites heard divisive, angry, unpatriotic pronouncements on race, class and country. Many blacks, on the other hand, heard something more familiar: righteous anger about oppression and deliberate hyperbole in laying blame, which are common in sermons delivered in black churches every Sunday.[22]
During the 2008 Presidential campaign, Wright’s beliefs and previous remarks became heavily scrutinized, due to his relationship with Democratic Presidential candidate Barack Obama. Critics have accused Wright of using Black liberation theology to promote black separatism.[18] Wright has tempered this notion by saying that[b] “The African-centered point of view does not assume superiority, nor does it assume separatism. It assumes Africans speaking for themselves as subjects in history, not objects in history.” [19]
In another sermon eventually published by the press, Wright ended his message with a blessing on all people, saying “All of God’s children white, black, red, yellow, male, female, all together”.[20][21][/b]
An article in Time magazine noted, "Much of white America is unfamiliar with the milieu of the black church. When clips from Wright’s sermons began circulating, many whites heard divisive, angry, unpatriotic pronouncements on race, class and country. Many blacks, on the other hand, heard something more familiar: righteous anger about oppression and deliberate hyperbole in laying blame, which are common in sermons delivered in black churches every Sunday.[22][/quote]
Cool, the racist can remember to string together a blessing once in a while. When he’s not blaming whitey for killing black Jesus, of course. Or, having his Church present lifetime achievement awards to Farrakhan.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Mick28,what are you trying to accomplish???
You 've made it clear that you feel like Obama is a racist. BIG FUCKING DEAL. So what now? Are you bringing to light to the world that Obama is a racist?
Do you know more than whats been “exposed” to MILLIONS of people?? NO. So shut the fuck up. Let everyone make there own judgments…you’re turning into a disease on these threads with the same redundant shit…thats why you’re so predictable.
Yea…the truth is driving you a little nutty huh little boss?[/quote]
Lol…and what truth is that?? Rid me of my naiveness and expose me to the real world…haha. Sad thats the best you can do. When are you gonna stop communicating on like a 5yr old and get a life?? You’re a joke…get a real life.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Cool, the racist can remember to string together a blessing once in a while. When he’s not blaming whitey for killing black Jesus, of course. Or, having his Church present lifetime achievement awards to Farrakhan.[/quote]
Cool, he is a racist no matter what he says, because you made up your mind and god forbid you were wrong.
Don´t let any evidence stop you, it is obviously his fault for hitting your buttons.
[quote]orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
…
Everyone knows what every major media reported.
3 minutes out of twenty years. That is nothing. Had they had more, they would have sended it. They haven´t.
…
Those three minutes were recorded by the church and sold on their DVD’s. The media did not record his sermons for 20 years so we have no record.
Now having no record sounds quite different.
These are the records we have:
This is the context of some of his more controversial remarks:
Sermon clips
During the 2008 Presidential campaign, Wright’s beliefs and previous remarks became heavily scrutinized, due to his relationship with Democratic Presidential candidate Barack Obama. Critics have accused Wright of using Black liberation theology to promote black separatism.[18] Wright has tempered this notion by saying that “The African-centered point of view does not assume superiority, nor does it assume separatism. It assumes Africans speaking for themselves as subjects in history, not objects in history.” [19]
In another sermon eventually published by the press, Wright ended his message with a blessing on all people, saying “All of God’s children white, black, red, yellow, male, female, all together”.[20][21]
An article in Time magazine noted, "Much of white America is unfamiliar with the milieu of the black church. When clips from Wright’s sermons began circulating, many whites heard divisive, angry, unpatriotic pronouncements on race, class and country. Many blacks, on the other hand, heard something more familiar: righteous anger about oppression and deliberate hyperbole in laying blame, which are common in sermons delivered in black churches every Sunday.[22]
[edit] Comments after September 11
In March 2008, ABC News broadcast sound bites[23] from a sermon that Wright gave shortly after September 11, 2001,[24][25] in which Wright paraphrased Edward Peck,[26] former U.S. Chief of Mission in Iraq, former deputy director of the White House Task Force on Terrorism under the Reagan Administration and former U.S. Ambassador to a number of countries, who was appearing on Fox News, as allegedly having said: “We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye…and now we are indignant, because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.” Wright went on to state: “Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y�??all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people that we have wounded don�??t have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that.”[23]
[edit] Comments about the government
Sound bites from a sermon that Wright gave in 2003, entitled �??Confusing God and Government�??, were also shown on ABC’s Good Morning America[25] and Fox News, in which Wright made apparently controversial statements about God and the U.S. Government. In the sermon, Wright first makes the distinction between God and governments, and points out that many governments in the past have failed: “Where governments lie, God does not lie. Where governments change, God does not change.”[27] Wright then states: “And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating her citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains, the government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton field, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness.”[27] Wright concludes by stating:" The government gives them the drugs,[28] built bigger prisons, passes a three strike law, and then wants us to sing God bless America. No, no, no, not God bless America! God damn America �?? that’s in the Bible �?? for killing innocent people. God damn America, for treating her citizens as less than human. God damn America, as long as she pretends to act like she is God, and she is supreme. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent."[27][29]
In one of his sermons, Reverend Wright said, “Fact number one: We’ve got more black men in prison than there are in college,” he intones. “Fact number two: Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run!..We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional KILLERS. . . . We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. . . . We conducted radiation experiments on our own people. . . . We care nothing about human life if the ends justify the means!..And. And. And! GAWD! Has GOT! To be SICK! OF THIS SH*T!”“.”[30]
[edit] HIV comment
Also in “Confusing God and Government,” Wright makes a statement in which he espouses his views on the involvement of the United States government with the Tuskegee experiment and the invention and propagation of the HIV virus. This statement was also widely aired in March 2008 on Fox News and YouTube.[31] Wright states: �??The government lied about the Tuskegee experiment. They purposely infected African American men with syphilis. Governments lie. The government lied about bombing Cambodia and Richard Nixon stood in front of the camera, �??Let me make myself perfectly clear�?��?? Governments lie. The government lied about the drugs for arms Contra scheme orchestrated by Oliver North, and then the government pardoned all the perpetrators so they could get better jobs in the government. Governments lie.�?? [32] Wright went on to state: �??The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. Governments lie. The government lied about a connection between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein and a connection between 9.11.01 and Operation Iraqi Freedom. Governments lie.�??[32]
[edit] Trip to Libya
A gaffe of Wright’s has been quoted in the media: “When [Obama�??s] enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli to visit Muammar al-Gaddafi with Farrakhan, a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell.”[33] The 1984 trip Wright was referring to was when he traveled to Libya and Syria on a peace mission along with an ecumenical body of ministers. Chaired by Rev. M. William Howard and led on the ground by Rev. Jesse Jackson who brought about a dozen other ministers including Minister Louis Farrakhan, the trip resulted in the freeing of United States Navy pilot Lt. Robert Goodman, who was captured after his fighter jet had been shot down over Lebanon.[34] [35] [36] [37] At a January 4, 1984 White House ceremony welcoming Lt. Goodman home, U.S. President Ronald Reagan stated, “Reverend Jackson’s mission was a personal mission of mercy, and he has earned our gratitude and our admiration.”[38] Wright has stated that his participation in the trip implied no endorsement of either Louis Farrakhan�??s views or Gaddafi�??s, both controversial Islamic figures.[18][/quote]
In another sermon eventually published by the press, Wright ended his message with a blessing on all people, saying “All of God’s children white, black, red, yellow, male, female, all together”.[20][21][/b]
…[/quote]
And that makes it all better?
Obama started distancing himself from this guy over a year ago because he knows that Wright is wrong.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Mick28,what are you trying to accomplish???
You 've made it clear that you feel like Obama is a racist. BIG FUCKING DEAL. So what now? Are you bringing to light to the world that Obama is a racist?
Do you know more than whats been “exposed” to MILLIONS of people?? NO. So shut the fuck up. Let everyone make there own judgments…you’re turning into a disease on these threads with the same redundant shit…thats why you’re so predictable.
Yea…the truth is driving you a little nutty huh little boss?
Lol…and what truth is that?? Rid me of my naiveness and expose me to the real world…haha. Sad thats the best you can do. When are you gonna stop communicating on like a 5yr old and get a life?? You’re a joke…get a real life.
That’s odd, you post an ignorant rant on a message board exhorting me to stop attacking your precious candidate and you tell me to get a life?
I wonder what sort of mood you’ll be in if Obama gets past Hillary and is attacked daily by the republican machine?
Don’t worry though all of this will help you mature.
[/quote]
I’m not ranting on every thread about the same shit cough and now you’re the essence of maturity?? We are all not worthy of you,great Mick.
This is even more odd…when did Obama become my precious candidate?? I don’t recall announcing that.
I don’t care if the Kool-Aid man was running for president and it came out he gave millions of black kids diabetes…I just don’t like you.
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
… Wright has stated that his participation in the trip implied no endorsement of either Louis Farrakhan�??s views or Gaddafi�??s, both controversial Islamic figures.[18]
Thank you for shwing the sound bites in context.
Mick, Rebuttal? Hello?
[/quote]
You do realize that Wright gave an award to Farrakhan don’t you?
In another sermon eventually published by the press, Wright ended his message with a blessing on all people, saying “All of God’s children white, black, red, yellow, male, female, all together”.[20][21][/b]
…
And that makes it all better?
Obama started distancing himself from this guy over a year ago because he knows that Wright is wrong.
It is funny you don’t.[/quote]
He distanced himself because you cannot argue against soundbites.
That probably hurt him more than Wrighht because now he is seen as a politician as usual.
In another sermon eventually published by the press, Wright ended his message with a blessing on all people, saying “All of God’s children white, black, red, yellow, male, female, all together”.[20][21][/b]
…
And that makes it all better?
Obama started distancing himself from this guy over a year ago because he knows that Wright is wrong.
It is funny you don’t.
He distanced himself because you cannot argue against soundbites.
That probably hurt him more than Wrighht because now he is seen as a politician as usual.[/quote]
He cannot argue against these because they are accurate. You actually posted some crap that Wright does not support Farrakhan when he actually gave him an AWARD!!!
In another sermon eventually published by the press, Wright ended his message with a blessing on all people, saying “All of God’s children white, black, red, yellow, male, female, all together”.[20][21][/b]
…
And that makes it all better?
Obama started distancing himself from this guy over a year ago because he knows that Wright is wrong.
It is funny you don’t.
He distanced himself because you cannot argue against soundbites.
That probably hurt him more than Wrighht because now he is seen as a politician as usual.
He cannot argue against these because they are accurate. You actually posted some crap that Wright does not support Farrakhan when he actually gave him an AWARD!!![/quote]
No offense, but I think you will find a HUGE discrepancy in how Farrakhan is viewed in the black community as opposed to the white community.
I could care less about some award to Farrakhan. The reason for that is I see the influence he has had on poorer areas in black neighborhoods (specifically areas like 3rd Ward Houston, TX). It may seem trivial to you as you are only focusing on what you disagree with coming out of his mouth. Many blacks are more aware about his influence on the community as a whole which has been largely positive.
You can debate it all you wish. Just understand your perspective is NOT universal. Many acknowledge that he says things that they don’t agree with…most also don’t give a shit as his actions speak louder in many cases.
That is why so many attended the Million Man March who were not literally Farrakhan supporters.
My personal take is that the man is mentally off…but he has still done good in the community.
In another sermon eventually published by the press, Wright ended his message with a blessing on all people, saying “All of God’s children white, black, red, yellow, male, female, all together”.[20][21][/b]
…
And that makes it all better?
Obama started distancing himself from this guy over a year ago because he knows that Wright is wrong.
It is funny you don’t.
He distanced himself because you cannot argue against soundbites.
That probably hurt him more than Wrighht because now he is seen as a politician as usual.
He cannot argue against these because they are accurate. You actually posted some crap that Wright does not support Farrakhan when he actually gave him an AWARD!!![/quote]
Really?
Where did I post this crap?
You do realize that you backpedaled to “well, we cannot show what he said because his church cut it out”, meaning you have no proof, period and now you are making shit up?
Our practically socialist state owned media would surprise the shit out of you.
They use things like “footage”, “proof”, “sources” and they even check them!
Sometimes twice!
It is almost as if they wanted to be really sure before destroying someones life.
In another sermon eventually published by the press, Wright ended his message with a blessing on all people, saying “All of God’s children white, black, red, yellow, male, female, all together”.[20][21][/b]
…
And that makes it all better?
Obama started distancing himself from this guy over a year ago because he knows that Wright is wrong.
It is funny you don’t.
He distanced himself because you cannot argue against soundbites.
That probably hurt him more than Wrighht because now he is seen as a politician as usual.
He cannot argue against these because they are accurate. You actually posted some crap that Wright does not support Farrakhan when he actually gave him an AWARD!!!
No offense, but I think you will find a HUGE discrepancy in how Farrakhan is viewed in the black community as opposed to the white community.
I could care less about some award to Farrakhan. The reason for that is I see the influence he has had on poorer areas in black neighborhoods (specifically areas like 3rd Ward Houston, TX). It may seem trivial to you as you are only focusing on what you disagree with coming out of his mouth. Many blacks are more aware about his influence on the community as a whole which has been largely positive.
You can debate it all you wish. Just understand your perspective is NOT universal. Many acknowledge that he says things that they don’t agree with…most also don’t give a shit as his actions speak louder in many cases.
That is why so many attended the Million Man March who were not literally Farrakhan supporters.
My personal take is that the man is mentally off…but he has still done good in the community.[/quote]
My point is that someone is trying to separate Wright from Farrakhan saying they only took a trip together but it doesn’t ring true because Wright (his church) gave Farrakhan an award.
In another sermon eventually published by the press, Wright ended his message with a blessing on all people, saying “All of God’s children white, black, red, yellow, male, female, all together”.[20][21][/b]
…
And that makes it all better?
Obama started distancing himself from this guy over a year ago because he knows that Wright is wrong.
It is funny you don’t.
He distanced himself because you cannot argue against soundbites.
That probably hurt him more than Wrighht because now he is seen as a politician as usual.
He cannot argue against these because they are accurate. You actually posted some crap that Wright does not support Farrakhan when he actually gave him an AWARD!!!
No offense, but I think you will find a HUGE discrepancy in how Farrakhan is viewed in the black community as opposed to the white community.
I could care less about some award to Farrakhan. The reason for that is I see the influence he has had on poorer areas in black neighborhoods (specifically areas like 3rd Ward Houston, TX). It may seem trivial to you as you are only focusing on what you disagree with coming out of his mouth. Many blacks are more aware about his influence on the community as a whole which has been largely positive.
You can debate it all you wish. Just understand your perspective is NOT universal. Many acknowledge that he says things that they don’t agree with…most also don’t give a shit as his actions speak louder in many cases.
That is why so many attended the Million Man March who were not literally Farrakhan supporters.
My personal take is that the man is mentally off…but he has still done good in the community.[/quote]
My point is that someone is trying to separate Wright from Farrakhan saying they only took a trip together but it doesn’t ring true because Wright (his church) gave Farrakhan an award.
In another sermon eventually published by the press, Wright ended his message with a blessing on all people, saying “All of God’s children white, black, red, yellow, male, female, all together”.[20][21][/b]
…
And that makes it all better?
Obama started distancing himself from this guy over a year ago because he knows that Wright is wrong.
It is funny you don’t.
He distanced himself because you cannot argue against soundbites.
That probably hurt him more than Wrighht because now he is seen as a politician as usual.
He cannot argue against these because they are accurate. You actually posted some crap that Wright does not support Farrakhan when he actually gave him an AWARD!!!
Really?
Where did I post this crap?
[/quote]
On the previous page you posted:
[i]
[edit] Trip to Libya
A gaffe of Wright’s has been quoted in the media: “When [Obama�??s] enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli to visit Muammar al-Gaddafi with Farrakhan, a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell.”[33] The 1984 trip Wright was referring to was when he traveled to Libya and Syria on a peace mission along with an ecumenical body of ministers. Chaired by Rev. M. William Howard and led on the ground by Rev. Jesse Jackson who brought about a dozen other ministers including Minister Louis Farrakhan, the trip resulted in the freeing of United States Navy pilot Lt. Robert Goodman, who was captured after his fighter jet had been shot down over Lebanon.[34] [35] [36] [37] At a January 4, 1984 White House ceremony welcoming Lt. Goodman home, U.S. President Ronald Reagan stated, “Reverend Jackson’s mission was a personal mission of mercy, and he has earned our gratitude and our admiration.”[38] Wright has stated that his participation in the trip implied no endorsement of either Louis Farrakhan�??s views or Gaddafi�??s, both controversial Islamic figures.[18] [/i]
This is laughable because he gave Farrakhan an award!!!
You are claiming that 3 minutes of crap is all he spewed in 20 years. I am pointing out that it is all that has been made available. Quite a bit of difference. I have not backpedaled in the least.
What are you rambling about? We know the sources. It is from the Churchs own recordings they sold on DVD.
[quote]orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Cool, the racist can remember to string together a blessing once in a while. When he’s not blaming whitey for killing black Jesus, of course. Or, having his Church present lifetime achievement awards to Farrakhan.
Cool, he is a racist no matter what he says, because you made up your mind and god forbid you were wrong.
Don´t let any evidence stop you, it is obviously his fault for hitting your buttons.
In another sermon eventually published by the press, Wright ended his message with a blessing on all people, saying “All of God’s children white, black, red, yellow, male, female, all together”.[20][21][/b]
…
And that makes it all better?
Obama started distancing himself from this guy over a year ago because he knows that Wright is wrong.
It is funny you don’t.
He distanced himself because you cannot argue against soundbites.
That probably hurt him more than Wrighht because now he is seen as a politician as usual.
He cannot argue against these because they are accurate. You actually posted some crap that Wright does not support Farrakhan when he actually gave him an AWARD!!!
Really?
Where did I post this crap?
On the previous page you posted:
[i]
[edit] Trip to Libya
A gaffe of Wright’s has been quoted in the media: “When [Obama�??s] enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli to visit Muammar al-Gaddafi with Farrakhan, a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell.”[33] The 1984 trip Wright was referring to was when he traveled to Libya and Syria on a peace mission along with an ecumenical body of ministers. Chaired by Rev. M. William Howard and led on the ground by Rev. Jesse Jackson who brought about a dozen other ministers including Minister Louis Farrakhan, the trip resulted in the freeing of United States Navy pilot Lt. Robert Goodman, who was captured after his fighter jet had been shot down over Lebanon.[34] [35] [36] [37] At a January 4, 1984 White House ceremony welcoming Lt. Goodman home, U.S. President Ronald Reagan stated, “Reverend Jackson’s mission was a personal mission of mercy, and he has earned our gratitude and our admiration.”[38] Wright has stated that his participation in the trip implied no endorsement of either Louis Farrakhan�??s views or Gaddafi�??s, both controversial Islamic figures.[18] [/i]
This is laughable because he gave Farrakhan an award!!!
You do realize that you backpedaled to “well, we cannot show what he said because his church cut it out”, meaning you have no proof, period and now you are making shit up?
You are claiming that 3 minutes of crap is all he spewed in 20 years. I am pointing out that it is all that has been made available. Quite a bit of difference. I have not backpedaled in the least.
Our practically socialist state owned media would surprise the shit out of you.
They use things like “footage”, “proof”, “sources” and they even check them!
Sometimes twice!
It is almost as if they wanted to be really sure before destroying someones life.
What are you rambling about? We know the sources. It is from the Churchs own recordings they sold on DVD.
Do you think this footage is faked?[/quote]
So we have Wrights own words that he does not support Farakhan and blesses white people (and black, yellow, purple and whatever ones)?
We also agree that the church might or might not have removed something, the point is though that we do not know?
We also agree on, hopefully, that the three minutes we do have were taken out of context, at least one sermon where that happened is available at youtube?
We also have people who actually visited “black” churches and say that such sermons can become quite heated?
And yet you do insist that he must be similar to David Duke and Obama should have recoiled in horror when around 30 seconds of a one hour mass became controversial?