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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
analinvader803 wrote:
this thread is pointless. if the memory of slavery and racsism is ever to be “healed” in america, it needs to be forgotten…

People like Obama’s racist Pastor will never allow that to be forgotten.

Why should it be forgotten? Is anyone pushing for The Holocaust to be forgotten? Why not?

Why don’t we forget about 9/11?

Why are we still holding a grudge?

Are the Jewish people angry at the German people for the Holocaust? No…it is remembered as an historical event, and obviously something that should never happen again.

We are still fighting terrorism so it’s important to remember 9-11 as that was a major terrorist act against the US.

I guess it’s how and why you remember said events isn’t it? Obama’s Pastor holds a grudge against white people who live in the here and now. He doesn’t just attack slave owners from over 140 years ago. How does this help heal any racial wounds? He says crazy racist things such as the US government spread AIDS to the black community. He dams America. He attacks the Jewish community…

He’s a hateful racist individual- The more compelling question: Why would Obama attend a Church like that for 20 years if he was not at least sympathetic to Wrights cause? Or, is his judgement that poor?

Either way he needs to bow out of the Presidential race.

You honestly don’t think any Holocaust survivors are pissed at the Germans?

Of course Holocaust survivors are pissed at the Germans. They are the ones who are alive and went through it. Just like I’m sure many slaves were angry at the slave holders. But, do you think that 100 years from now the ancestors of Holocaust victims are going to be preaching hatred from the pulpit toward Germans?

Think again.

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This may come as a surprise to you, but slavery isn’t what sparked the Civil Rights movement. The effect on society and the extension to those who are ancestors of slaves is. No one today is pissed just because of slavery. Why is it you don’t know this?

Maybe you should “think again”.

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Wow. Your ignorance is disturbing.

Have you heard of the Civil rights movement? Have you heard of segregation? Segregation was legal up until the 1960s, not 100s of years ago as you say. Actually I would consider the 1960s fairly recent in the grand scheme of US history.

Our parents (previous generation) grew up in that era. So why would it be so hard to see that some black people from that time period (like Rev. Wright since I’m assuming you were talking about him) might have a chip on their shoulder if they grew up in that period and had to experience some of those negative things?

[quote]Mick28 wrote:

Of course Holocaust survivors are pissed at the Germans. They are the ones who are alive and went through it. Just like I’m sure many slaves were angry at the slave holders. But, do you think that 100 years from now the ancestors of Holocaust victims are going to be preaching hatred from the pulpit toward Germans?

Think again.
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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
analinvader803 wrote:
this thread is pointless. if the memory of slavery and racsism is ever to be “healed” in america, it needs to be forgotten…

People like Obama’s racist Pastor will never allow that to be forgotten.

Why should it be forgotten? Is anyone pushing for The Holocaust to be forgotten? Why not?

Why don’t we forget about 9/11?

Why are we still holding a grudge?

Are the Jewish people angry at the German people for the Holocaust? No…it is remembered as an historical event, and obviously something that should never happen again.

We are still fighting terrorism so it’s important to remember 9-11 as that was a major terrorist act against the US.

I guess it’s how and why you remember said events isn’t it? Obama’s Pastor holds a grudge against white people who live in the here and now. He doesn’t just attack slave owners from over 140 years ago. How does this help heal any racial wounds? He says crazy racist things such as the US government spread AIDS to the black community. He dams America. He attacks the Jewish community…

He’s a hateful racist individual- The more compelling question: Why would Obama attend a Church like that for 20 years if he was not at least sympathetic to Wrights cause? Or, is his judgement that poor?

Either way he needs to bow out of the Presidential race.

You honestly don’t think any Holocaust survivors are pissed at the Germans?

Of course Holocaust survivors are pissed at the Germans. They are the ones who are alive and went through it. Just like I’m sure many slaves were angry at the slave holders. But, do you think that 100 years from now the ancestors of Holocaust victims are going to be preaching hatred from the pulpit toward Germans?

Think again.

This may come as a surprise to you, but slavery isn’t what sparked the Civil Rights movement. The effect on society and the extension to those who are ancestors of slaves is. No one today is pissed just because of slavery. Why is it you don’t know this?

Maybe you should “think again”.

Maybe you should pay better attention when you’re reading posts. I was discussing slavery.

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Uhm, and we AREN’T. Are you having a hard time keeping up? Someone writes that slavery is not the significant issue and you instead make some statement about how you are just focusing on slavery?

Just read slower if this is a problem for you.

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Actually if you were paying attention he did rebuke it on CNN, the negative and controversial things his pastor said.

Also, if you’re going to be throwing out claims that Rev. Wright is preaching racism, I’ll need to see your links and sources to back up your claims. The clips I saw, we’re not racist at all.

Third, you know for a fact he preached these things for “20 years” straight? or was it a few isolated incidents? The answer is, it was probably a few isolated incidents but even though you have no idea but you are quick to assume the worst. See how you want to continually stretch the truth for the benefit of your argument?

[quote]Mick28 wrote:

You have a lot to say, so maybe you can explain why Obama would stay a member of a Church for 20 years where the Pastor preached hatred and racism from the Pulpit.

I’m just looking for the real reason that he never rebuked his Pastor.

Tell me will you?

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
greekdawg wrote:
Wow. Your ignorance is disturbing.

Wow, your reading comprehension is distrurbing. I was discussing slavery. If you want to change the subject we can talk about the civil rights movement, no problem.

Now tell me how hate and racism directed at white people will help?

Go ahead.
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And therein lies the problem. Why did the hell did you bring up slavery? No one here was talking about slavery, than your bring it up for no reason whatsoever.

The fact that you did bring it up just shows how out of touch with reality you really are. You used slavery as a weak argument to explain why “100s of years later hate and racism is being preached from the pulpit.” (which 1st of all is false, no one is preaching hate and racism)

Anyone who personally experienced slavery is dead and buried long ago. But segregation (legalized racism/hate)and all the other bullshit that came with it ended much more recently after the Civil Rights Act. Not to mention the Civil Rights movement in itself, was probably very trying and painful. People died and suffered during this period as well just to get the Civil Rights Act passed.

Since you’re having trouble keeping up, here is your original quote:

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Of course Holocaust survivors are pissed at the Germans. They are the ones who are alive and went through it. Just like I’m sure many slaves were angry at the slave holders. But, do you think that 100 years from now the ancestors of Holocaust victims are going to be preaching hatred from the pulpit toward Germans
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So using your own quote, you prove my point.

Just as there are Holocaust survivors who are alive that still might be pissed, there are most definitely black people alive who experienced legal segregation (legalized racism, hate) (not to mention church bombings, rapes, murders, lynchings, cross burning, police dogs, fire hoses, etc, etc.) who still might be a little pissed.

This was not 100s of years ago. Legal segregation ended in the 1960s with the passage of the Civil Rights Act so there are probably quite a few black people alive that experienced all of this first hand.

So turn your brain on, before I ask you this question:

Do you see how someone who is black, who was alive in the era of segregation, prior to the Civil Rights movement and experienced all of these negatives first hand, might still be a little bit pissed off and harbor negative feelings?

If you can’t see that point, then there is no hope for you and I must end the discussion here.

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“My pen hit’s the paper and America erupts/I vow what they did to them, they’ll never do to us” - Lloyd Banks

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If a man is going to complain about his situation, let the mother fucker complain. I grew up with enough real men to know that no matter what, there is a struggle. I have also found out that some bitches be born with a “silver spoon” in their mouth.

If you can not figure out away to prosper that is your own fault, this is a capitalist state. Make your money and shut up and stop hating on other mother fuckers. Be happy with what you have.

Stop getting mad at haters, if they are prejudice against you because of skin complexion or minorities saying that you holding them down. Do not worry, haters hate because that is their job. So let them hate, they are jealous because you out hustled them. You used your resources better than them, and they can not stand it.

Truth be told, if you making money, somebodies going to get stepped on. If I get into a University, some other mother fucker is going to get rejected or put on the waiting list. He might never see you so he can not hate on you directly, but I bet that mother fucker will generalize and just hate on everybody.

People need to stop worrying about your haters, because if you have 10 enemies and you are not increasing that number I got a hypothesis why your ass don’t have more haters. You are not progressing.

Example, Professor X, the man did his hustle. He got his high paying job, he is on top of his shit, do you see him hating on people all the time. No, because he’s progressing, and the synonym of a hater or your enemy, is a stagnant bitch!

On the topic of slavery, go ahead and read Exodus and shut up already about real Christians not having slaves. There is nothing I have read in the bible about people not having slaves, I have read there is some rules though.

On the topic of racism, and black people still upset. I got a couple of words for that, and that is forgive my brothers. Truth is truth, if you do not forgive your white friends for their ancestors, they likely will not help you. If you do not think that white people are not friendly, how come those mother fuckers will buy you all the drinks you can get fucked up, bail you out of jail when you need it, and not get pissed when you call in the middle of the night. Most white people are damn friendly, the mother fuckers that you need to worry about is the politicians. They are the ones that are fucking over the black people, if anyone is fucking over anyone.

Maybe if more black people were friendly with white people, and explained to them the struggles that you go through, maybe those mother fuckers can help you out since they are the majority.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Maybe if more black people were friendly with white people, and explained to them the struggles that you go through, maybe those mother fuckers can help you out since they are the majority.[/quote]

Just what is there to explain? Anyone that isn’t colorblind, owns a map and has once looked at a history book can figure that out.

I’m all for diplomacy but discussion or “explanation” of your “struggles” is not a “friendly” gesture. It’s digressive, egotistical, ignorant and generally a waste of breath. Understand and respect people for the struggle that we all endure as the people of a elitist governed society.

We are still segregated socially, geographically and economically.

Keep this in mind; “Friends don’t need an explanation, and your enemies don’t deserve one.”

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[quote]greekdawg wrote:
Actually if you were paying attention he did rebuke it on CNN, the negative and controversial things his pastor said.

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He listened to it for 20 years and didn’t say shit. It was only when the media spotlight was turned up high did he comment on it. Pretty phony. Typical politician.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
greekdawg wrote:
Actually if you were paying attention he did rebuke it on CNN, the negative and controversial things his pastor said.

That is utter nonsense. How can someone attend a Church for 20 years where this hateful jackass is the Pastor and then in one speech rebuke his Pastor and mentor?

According to your faulty logic Joe Smith can attend Klu Klux Klan meetings (not really a member) for 20 years and then one day wake up and say “hey I didn’t really pay attention to what the Grand Wizard was talking about. I’m really a godo guy”

Please…you’ll have to create a better defense for Obama than that one…I’m laughing so hard at this I can hardly type.

:slight_smile: Thank you

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I am still waiting on these quotes. Why are they so hard to find? You are relating “white America” to “The KKK”.

Why can’t you all find these quotes?

This has gone on for weeks and you still haven’t shown me the “KKK” equivalent. Being pissed at America and what it allowed to happen isn’t even “anti-American”. In America, you have the right to be pissed in public.

Why do you want the terrorists to win?

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Hey Professor Post, you make a good point. Prior to the civil rights movement blacks were treated as second class citizens. It was a horrible time in this country no question.

Let’s see that was approximately 45 years ago. How long do you think black people should remain embittered over this?

Should the typical 16 year old black male be upset over this? Since his parents may not even have been born during that difficult time?

How much hate is enough? And does preaching hate from the pulpit help or hurt racial equality?

I hope you’re smart enough to give me the correct answers.

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Wow. You claim that you understand the Holocaust would still have some upset participants from something that happened in the 40’s, but you don’t understand why events like the Tuskegee experiment that just ended in the 70’s (along with the massive amount of racism that was present in this country and JUST began to lift around the early 80’s) still has people upset?

Honestly, are you blind or sick?

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
greekdawg wrote:
Actually if you were paying attention he did rebuke it on CNN, the negative and controversial things his pastor said.

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He listened to it for 20 years and didn’t say shit. It was only when the media spotlight was turned up high did he comment on it. Pretty phony. Typical politician. [/quote]

no he didn´t.

He listened to it 3 minutes 50 seconds out of 20 years, assuming he attended each and every one of Wrights sermons.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
greekdawg wrote:
Actually if you were paying attention he did rebuke it on CNN, the negative and controversial things his pastor said.

That is utter nonsense. How can someone attend a Church for 20 years where this hateful jackass is the Pastor and then in one speech rebuke his Pastor and mentor?

According to your faulty logic Joe Smith can attend Klu Klux Klan meetings (not really a member) for 20 years and then one day wake up and say “hey I didn’t really pay attention to what the Grand Wizard was talking about. I’m really a godo guy”

Please…you’ll have to create a better defense for Obama than that one…I’m laughing so hard at this I can hardly type.

:slight_smile: Thank you

I am still waiting on these quotes. Why are they so hard to find? You are relating “white America” to “The KKK”.

Why can’t you all find these quotes?

This has gone on for weeks and you still haven’t shown me the “KKK” equivalent. Being pissed at America and what it allowed to happen isn’t even “anti-American”. In America, you have the right to be pissed in public.

Why do you want the terrorists to win?[/quote]

Because he hates freedom.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
greekdawg wrote:
Actually if you were paying attention he did rebuke it on CNN, the negative and controversial things his pastor said.

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He listened to it for 20 years and didn’t say shit. It was only when the media spotlight was turned up high did he comment on it. Pretty phony. Typical politician.

no he didn´t.

He listened to it 3 minutes 50 seconds out of 20 years, assuming he attended each and every one of Wrights sermons.[/quote]

Assuming these were the only things Wright said in 20 years which seems to be a pretty poor assumption since Obama himself dis-invited Wright to his big event last year.

Since the clips were provided by Wrights own church it seems likely that the worst stuff was edited out before we had a chance to see it.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
greekdawg wrote:
Actually if you were paying attention he did rebuke it on CNN, the negative and controversial things his pastor said.

…

He listened to it for 20 years and didn’t say shit. It was only when the media spotlight was turned up high did he comment on it. Pretty phony. Typical politician.

no he didn´t.

He listened to it 3 minutes 50 seconds out of 20 years, assuming he attended each and every one of Wrights sermons.

Assuming these were the only things Wright said in 20 years which seems to be a pretty poor assumption since Obama himself dis-invited Wright to his big event last year.

Since the clips were provided by Wrights own church it seems likely that the worst stuff was edited out before we had a chance to see it.
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I fail to see the issue if a man has gone to the lengths Obama has to distance himself from the man.

I have tried to explain it before but some of you think my perspective is too poor…at least less substantial than your own.

Wrights message isn’t much different than you would hear from MANY (shit, MOST) older black people if you happened to be black yourself. Most of us growing up with grandmothers and grandfathers who experienced much of that could go on for hours about it. They would never do that in front of a white person, but they still hold those feelings and views.

It is ridiculous to claim your position (one of a white person who never even apparently knew these emotions existed until recently) knows the proper response. To many of us, it is old hat and barely noticeable. I expect it when speaking to an older black person in private or with a group of other black people.

If you haven’t figured out yet, that is their greiving process. While no one born after 1980 can claim the same experience, there are too many who can. That pain doesn’t evaporate. It also isn’t “shocking” to those of us who actually understand the culture.

You are holding one man responsible for the words of another and judging those words through the ears of someone who has never even experienced what we are discussing. That makes no sense. Something like this shouldn’t happen on either side of the aisle, especially with no attempt to even understand why a black person would handle that situation differently than a white person who had been shielded from how bad things actually were in this country.

How much do you want to bet that most here didn’t even know about the Tuskegee experiment before we discussed it here?

Why is that?