Soulja Boy: Nas Killed Hip-hop

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
All I know is. when hip hop first started the first thing I heard from everybody 25+ was that rap isn’t real music, and no rap artist would last past the 3 month radio spin. Nearly 30 years later Will Smith is the one of the biggest actors ever + he has a grammy, LL Cool J is still dropping records, KRS one is damn near an honorary professor and non-rapping rapper P. Diddy is a music mogul.

Yet now these people are now 25+ screaming how rap is dead and music sucks now…Hello!!! your fucking old and out of touch.

I likED Wu-Tang back in the day, mobb deep, immortal technique, NWA and still like some of their initial classic shit. But truth be told, definition of hip-hop isn’t being unhappy and mean to people while killing motherfuckaas on the streets. I would continue this rant more but I just scrolled up and realized Irish pretty much encapsulated everything that needs to be said.

Because truth be told Soulja Boy cranking dat in the club, is way more real than mobb deep shootin up people in the club.
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thats my point. how can you be angry with someone because the music they enjoy makes want to be have fun and dance? its like they want the whole world to be melancholy or angry. like Birdman said, “id rather pop a bottle before i pop a gat”

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
All I know is. when hip hop first started the first thing I heard from everybody 25+ was that rap isn’t real music, and no rap artist would last past the 3 month radio spin. Nearly 30 years later Will Smith is the one of the biggest actors ever + he has a grammy, LL Cool J is still dropping records, KRS one is damn near an honorary professor and non-rapping rapper P. Diddy is a music mogul.

Yet now these people are now 25+ screaming how rap is dead and music sucks now…Hello!!! your fucking old and out of touch.

I likED Wu-Tang back in the day, mobb deep, immortal technique, NWA and still like some of their initial classic shit. But truth be told, definition of hip-hop isn’t being unhappy and mean to people while killing motherfuckaas on the streets. I would continue this rant more but I just scrolled up and realized Irish pretty much encapsulated everything that needs to be said.

Because truth be told Soulja Boy cranking dat in the club, is way more real than mobb deep shootin up people in the club.
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You seem really out of touch with hip-hop if you think all that is true. I don’t really see these people screaming that rap is dead or that music sucks. I see a lot of people on this thread complaining about those people, but I haven’t seen any of those people. I don’t think hip hop is dead, I don’t think rap killed it, I just think soulja boy sucks no matter where you play it.

You also seem out of touch with reality if you think “25+” is “fucking old and out of touch”.

And further, how do you even know that soulja boy’s music isn’t unhappy, you probably have no idea what he is even saying in any of his songs.

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[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
All I know is. when hip hop first started the first thing I heard from everybody 25+ was that rap isn’t real music, and no rap artist would last past the 3 month radio spin. Nearly 30 years later Will Smith is the one of the biggest actors ever + he has a grammy, LL Cool J is still dropping records, KRS one is damn near an honorary professor and non-rapping rapper P. Diddy is a music mogul.

Yet now these people are now 25+ screaming how rap is dead and music sucks now…Hello!!! your fucking old and out of touch.

I likED Wu-Tang back in the day, mobb deep, immortal technique, NWA and still like some of their initial classic shit. But truth be told, definition of hip-hop isn’t being unhappy and mean to people while killing motherfuckaas on the streets. I would continue this rant more but I just scrolled up and realized Irish pretty much encapsulated everything that needs to be said.

Because truth be told Soulja Boy cranking dat in the club, is way more real than mobb deep shootin up people in the club.

You seem really out of touch with hip-hop if you think all that is true. I don’t really see these people screaming that rap is dead or that music sucks. I see a lot of people on this thread complaining about those people, but I haven’t seen any of those people. I don’t think hip hop is dead, I don’t think rap killed it, I just think soulja boy sucks no matter where you play it.

You also seem out of touch with reality if you think “25+” is “fucking old and out of touch”.

And further, how do you even know that soulja boy’s music isn’t unhappy, you probably have no idea what he is even saying in any of his songs.[/quote]

The majority of the hit artists out now are either in their 30’s or close to it.

Pharrell is damn near 40. Kanye is older than me.

Anyone using age as leverage when they are talking to people currently under 40 is retarded.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
threewhitelights wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
All I know is. when hip hop first started the first thing I heard from everybody 25+ was that rap isn’t real music, and no rap artist would last past the 3 month radio spin. Nearly 30 years later Will Smith is the one of the biggest actors ever + he has a grammy, LL Cool J is still dropping records, KRS one is damn near an honorary professor and non-rapping rapper P. Diddy is a music mogul.

Yet now these people are now 25+ screaming how rap is dead and music sucks now…Hello!!! your fucking old and out of touch.

I likED Wu-Tang back in the day, mobb deep, immortal technique, NWA and still like some of their initial classic shit. But truth be told, definition of hip-hop isn’t being unhappy and mean to people while killing motherfuckaas on the streets. I would continue this rant more but I just scrolled up and realized Irish pretty much encapsulated everything that needs to be said.

Because truth be told Soulja Boy cranking dat in the club, is way more real than mobb deep shootin up people in the club.

You seem really out of touch with hip-hop if you think all that is true. I don’t really see these people screaming that rap is dead or that music sucks. I see a lot of people on this thread complaining about those people, but I haven’t seen any of those people. I don’t think hip hop is dead, I don’t think rap killed it, I just think soulja boy sucks no matter where you play it.

You also seem out of touch with reality if you think “25+” is “fucking old and out of touch”.

And further, how do you even know that soulja boy’s music isn’t unhappy, you probably have no idea what he is even saying in any of his songs.

The majority of the hit artists out now are either in their 30’s or close to it.

Pharrell is damn near 40. Kanye is older than me.

Anyone using age as leverage when they are talking to people currently under 40 is retarded.[/quote]

Pharrell doesnt look a day over 25. Never ages… :expressionless:

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If Eminem and Dr. Dre don’t stop pushing their albums back I’m going to douse myself in gasoline, light myself on fire, jump off the Space Needle and leave a note saying I just couldn’t wait any longer.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
SSC wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
That’s not news. They will cater to the lowest common denominator, and that’s as much a function of record labels who have only wanted songs that run for 3:50.

Appealing to the most people means getting the most money, and that’s what the labels (and the artists) are after.

Which is the sad part. We can argue all day about semantics, but it appears I’m just one of those crazy bastards who still tries to convince others that music is an art form. Luckily, we have those great bands who are looking to appeal to the most people, and get the most money. Thank God money makes up for mediocrity.

Now excuse me, I’m going to go purchase whatever Scott Stapp just released.

No doubt that it’s an art form- I don’t think that that’s the debate.

I’m just saying that music and its relationship with humans and how they perceive it, is simply too complex to say, “You’re not intelligent if you don’t enjoy this type of music.”

There’s a reason that terrible TV shows are very popular, and it’s because some folks look for an escape. There’s also a reason incredible shows like “The Sopranos” were very popular- because people enjoy the depth and complexity that most people know life entails. They just don’t want to sit there and think about it all the fuckin time. [/quote]

Right, I do agree. I really didn’t mean to personally offend or call you less intelligent per se, so I apologize for that. I guess my main issue is that said bands do tend to manufacture similar content on a consistant basis, and that people keep eating it up.

I’m no better than anyone else, though, and I’m not one typically to judge the musical interests of others. When it’s an issue concerning Soulja Boy, though, who likely has no knowledge or right to remark on the musical stylings of others, I get miffed easily.

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[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Because truth be told Soulja Boy cranking dat in the club, is way more real than mobb deep shootin up people in the club.
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Is this supposed to be a joke? You know, not everyone is Rick Ross, or some persona made by an executive of Def Jam records.

I can’t believe some of the ignorance that these hip-hop threads constantly produce every time they’re made.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Because truth be told Soulja Boy cranking dat in the club, is way more real than mobb deep shootin up people in the club.

Is this supposed to be a joke? You know, not everyone is Rick Ross, or some persona made by an executive of Def Jam records.

I can’t believe some of the ignorance that these hip-hop threads constantly produce every time they’re made.[/quote]

I had to read that quote twice by Airtruth, you don’t have a clue what you’re saying. Mobb Deep is about a lot of more things than that (though I must admit past products have been better).

SSC, who’s the girl in your avatar?

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[quote]ahzaz wrote:
Pharrell doesnt look a day over 25. Never ages… :|[/quote]

He be 35. Kanye is 31.

Souljah Boy is a cock sucking wino.

“Soulja Boy identifies his goal as making upbeat, party-themed music that avoids the negative, violent image that he sees in most hip-hop. Despite this, his music has been banned from some school dances for sexual, pro-violence content or innuendo and, ironically, many of his recent recordings feature violent content and sexual innuendo. In the original YouTube video for “Shootout”, Way demonstrates his dance while holding a handgun in each hand and pretending to shoot into the audience.”

Gangster wannabe.

Now this right here is the funniest shit I’ve read today:
http://allhiphop.com/stories/news/archive/2009/01/02/20775750.aspx

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
ahzaz wrote:
Pharrell doesnt look a day over 25. Never ages… :expressionless:

He be 35. Kanye is 31.

Souljah Boy is a cock sucking wino.

“Soulja Boy identifies his goal as making upbeat, party-themed music that avoids the negative, violent image that he sees in most hip-hop. Despite this, his music has been banned from some school dances for sexual, pro-violence content or innuendo and, ironically, many of his recent recordings feature violent content and sexual innuendo. In the original YouTube video for “Shootout”, Way demonstrates his dance while holding a handgun in each hand and pretending to shoot into the audience.”

Gangster wannabe.

Now this right here is the funniest shit I’ve read today:
http://allhiphop.com/stories/news/archive/2009/01/02/20775750.aspx

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No one is going to be playing Soulja Boy on the radio 10 years from now. He isn’t breaking any new ground at all. Whereas the cream of the crop in Hip Hop set a standard when most of them were still teenagers that people are still following today, there doesn’t seem to be ANY of that same creativity coming from the “Ring Tone” crowd.

This isn’t about whether some people like it or not. You will find SOMEONE who likes pretty much any garbage that gets put out, especially when “garbage” is all they’ve been exposed to.

This is about why the lack of creativity and substance seems to be awarded more now than ever.

The music industry is a business…which means the more clueless people with cell phones in high school buy more ring tones, the more equally stupid shit we will now hear throughout the entire music industry.

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[quote]
threewhitelights wrote:

Pharrell doesnt look a day over 25. Never ages… :|[/quote]

Who would think this guy was 35?

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[quote]arnoud verschoor wrote:
SSC wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
Because truth be told Soulja Boy cranking dat in the club, is way more real than mobb deep shootin up people in the club.

Is this supposed to be a joke? You know, not everyone is Rick Ross, or some persona made by an executive of Def Jam records.

I can’t believe some of the ignorance that these hip-hop threads constantly produce every time they’re made.

I had to read that quote twice by Airtruth, you don’t have a clue what you’re saying. Mobb Deep is about a lot of more things than that (though I must admit past products have been better).

SSC, who’s the girl in your avatar?[/quote]

No, if it’s not a rap song with lyrics that no one can understand, then it can’t be any fun. Haven’t you listened to any of Live’s infinite wisdom?

It’s Kaley Cuoco, by the way. I was thinking about substituting an even hotter pic soon.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Makavali wrote:
ahzaz wrote:
Pharrell doesnt look a day over 25. Never ages… :expressionless:

He be 35. Kanye is 31.

Souljah Boy is a cock sucking wino.

“Soulja Boy identifies his goal as making upbeat, party-themed music that avoids the negative, violent image that he sees in most hip-hop. Despite this, his music has been banned from some school dances for sexual, pro-violence content or innuendo and, ironically, many of his recent recordings feature violent content and sexual innuendo. In the original YouTube video for “Shootout”, Way demonstrates his dance while holding a handgun in each hand and pretending to shoot into the audience.”

Gangster wannabe.

Now this right here is the funniest shit I’ve read today:
http://allhiphop.com/stories/news/archive/2009/01/02/20775750.aspx

No one is going to be playing Soulja Boy on the radio 10 years from now. He isn’t breaking any new ground at all. Whereas the cream of the crop in Hip Hop set a standard when most of them were still teenagers that people are still following today, there doesn’t seem to be ANY of that same creativity coming from the “Ring Tone” crowd.

This isn’t about whether some people like it or not. You will find SOMEONE who likes pretty much any garbage that gets put out, especially when “garbage” is all they’ve been exposed to.

This is about why the lack of creativity and substance seems to be awarded more now than ever.

The music industry is a business…which means the more clueless people with cell phones in high school buy more ring tones, the more equally stupid shit we will now hear throughout the entire music industry.

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You haven’t had a forehead-slapper until you’ve gone to a frat party, filled with fifty drunk college students all doing the Soulja Boy dance in synchronization.

I didn’t stay long.

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[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:

threewhitelights wrote:

Pharrell doesnt look a day over 25. Never ages… :expressionless:

Who would think this guy was 35?[/quote]

…but that’s the point. Most people don’t seem to get that MOST of these guys are older. Timbaland is older than that.

The hip hop music industry is not being steered by teenagers anymore…and the teenagers don’t seem to be coming with anything strong that will cause one of them to stick around for 20 years like LL Cool J or drop several GOOD cd’s like Nas.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:

ahzaz wrote:

Pharrell doesnt look a day over 25. Never ages… :expressionless:

Who would think this guy was 35?

…but that’s the point. Most people don’t seem to get that MOST of these guys are older. Timbaland is older than that.

The hip hop music industry is not being steered by teenagers anymore…and the teenagers don’t seem to be coming with anything strong that will cause one of them to stick around for 20 years like LL Cool J or drop several GOOD cd’s like Nas.[/quote]

Think about this though. When hip-hop first “started” everyone was listning to rock and disco and stuff right? Hiphop just wasnt common back then. They had to come up with something new, something revolutionary to be noticed. It was their way of expression, and people caught onto that.

When something is invented, its always faster growing then later. Take the lightbulb for example, the bulb created in the 1800s has hardly been improved even to this day. Theres still some GOOD hiphop, althought its not mainstream.

Also, Everyone cant relate to the struggle of growing up in the ghettos. I think live was right when he said that people can relate to clubbing and music related to that then music about wars and politics.

I cant relate to growing up in the ghettos, but i can relate to partying and having a good time. Know what i mean? The new generation is grown up in safety, its just not the same for us to relate.

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[quote]ahzaz wrote:
Professor X wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:

ahzaz wrote:

Pharrell doesnt look a day over 25. Never ages… :expressionless:

Who would think this guy was 35?

…but that’s the point. Most people don’t seem to get that MOST of these guys are older. Timbaland is older than that.

The hip hop music industry is not being steered by teenagers anymore…and the teenagers don’t seem to be coming with anything strong that will cause one of them to stick around for 20 years like LL Cool J or drop several GOOD cd’s like Nas.

Think about this though. When hip-hop first “started” everyone was listning to rock and disco and stuff right? Hiphop just wasnt common back then.

They had to come up with something new, something revolutionary to be noticed. It was their way of expression, and people caught onto that. When something is invented, its always faster growing then later. Take the lightbulb for example, the bulb created in the 1800s has hardly been improved even to this day. Theres still some GOOD hiphop, althought its not mainstream.

Also, Everyone cant relate to the struggle of growing up in the ghettos. I think live was right when he said that people can relate to clubbing and music related to that then music about wars and politics.

I cant relate to growing up in the ghettos, but i can relate to partying and having a good time. Know what i mean? The new generation is grown up in safety, its just not the same for us to relate.[/quote]

The greatest poets, writers, and musicians the world has ever known mostly grew out of adverse conditions that many wouldn’t have made it through.

We already know your generation is going to shine with less intensity. Everything has been done. Political issues to most today simply include turning off the tv since most wouldn’t even consider joining the military.

It is because of this that many of us don’t care to sympathize with the crap being released. It isn’t good quality. That isn’t coming from someone too old to know better. Most of the music I listen to is hip hop and alternative.

I just know decent shit when I hear it…and flash in the pan one hit wonders that no one will be thinking about in a decade just ain’t it.

Does the fact that many of you have had it way easier mean that we should settle for lesser quality?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
The greatest poets, writers, and musicians the world has ever known mostly grew out of adverse conditions that many wouldn’t have made it through.

We already know your generation is going to shine with less intensity. Everything has been done. Political issues to most today simply include turning off the tv since most wouldn’t even consider joining the military.

It is because of this that many of us don’t care to sympathize with the crap being released. It isn’t good quality. That isn’t coming from someone too old to know better. Most of the music I listen to is hip hop and alternative. I just know decent shit when I hear it…and flash in the pan one hit wonders that no one will be thinking about in a decade just ain’t it.

Does the fact that many of you have had it way easier mean that we should settle for lesser quality?[/quote]

I don’t think it’s just a matter of adversity, though that may be a factor in some cases.

A good writer should be able to create something to engage you without relying solely upon their experiences. Using empathy and imagination they should be able to create narratives that others can relate to (whether through experience or shared empathy and imagination), this is what sets apart the best as they actually have to think, creating experiences beyond themselves instead of just sharing their own.

This doesn’t require you to have lived it only that you have the ability to think it.

For example, when you hear Lupe Fiasco talk you can tell that he is a “thinker”, when you hear Soulja Boy talk you can tell that he is not.

Unfortunately, from what I’ve seen most people aren’t exactly “thinkers”, which is probably why they relate to (not like but relate to) Soulja Boy and his like.

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[quote]slimthugger wrote:
malonetd wrote:
For those interested in a blast from the past, EPMD just dropped a new album. And it’s better than most than most of the garbage that was released in 2008.

I missed this, good looking on the info. That’s the problem, the problem the “powers that be” control what we hear and decide what’s hot. Why isn’t this on the radio? [/quote]

It’s not as good as they’re early albums, but it’s pretty damn good for a couple of 40-year-olds.

Speaking of old school, for those that missed it, Q-Tip recently released an album, too.

Maybe I should be posting this in the new music thread.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
No one is going to be playing Soulja Boy on the radio 10 years from now. He isn’t breaking any new ground at all. Whereas the cream of the crop in Hip Hop set a standard when most of them were still teenagers that people are still following today, there doesn’t seem to be ANY of that same creativity coming from the “Ring Tone” crowd.

This isn’t about whether some people like it or not. You will find SOMEONE who likes pretty much any garbage that gets put out, especially when “garbage” is all they’ve been exposed to.

This is about why the lack of creativity and substance seems to be awarded more now than ever.

The music industry is a business…which means the more clueless people with cell phones in high school buy more ring tones, the more equally stupid shit we will now hear throughout the entire music industry.[/quote]

My ringtone is an Eazy-E/Tupac remix.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
My ringtone is an Eazy-E/Tupac remix.[/quote]

Mine is Eminem lol.