Ken Stark and Bill Roberts are both back? Nice 
Yeah - I am usually Biotestās bitch when it comes to new products (as evidenced by the near 10K Iāve spent on their supps), but that being said Iām not sure I can jump on this. The whole spray thing - just canāt get on board with that. Now if for these prices, say Surge Workout Fuel, were to become available I would spend - and spend freely !
[quote]lothos wrote:
Yeah - I am usually Biotestās bitch when it comes to new products (as evidenced by the near 10K Iāve spent on their supps), but that being said Iām not sure I can jump on this. The whole spray thing - just canāt get on board with that. Now if for these prices, say Surge Workout Fuel, were to become available I would spend - and spend freely ![/quote]
Funny, Iām the opposite, but in this case I ordered right away. This is partly due to me figuring that there is no way that Biotest didnāt want to get back into the PH market. I always figured if they were gonna do it that theyād do it right.
I will post my experience if I end up using it before others start posting.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
bobo86 wrote:
honestly, if i were to ever go into prohormone territory, I would have just picked up some H-drol for 25 bucks, enough for a 4 week cycle. Then get some reversitol or 6-oxo for PCT.
LMAO!
Yeah, resveratrol is the ultimate in PCT.
It is called reverse-it-all.[/quote]
My bad.
Either way, it would be stupid to consider over the counter products as proper PCT.
Even I know this.
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
bobo86 wrote:
honestly, if i were to ever go into prohormone territory, I would have just picked up some H-drol for 25 bucks, enough for a 4 week cycle. Then get some reversitol or 6-oxo for PCT.
LMAO!
Yeah, resveratrol is the ultimate in PCT.
It is called reverse-it-all.
My bad.
Either way, it would be stupid to consider over the counter products as proper PCT.
Even I know this.[/quote]
You really think so? I think a few years ago I would have agreed with you, but I get the vibe that thereās some damn āstrongā OTC stuff being put out (some people are just using the PCT as their ācyclesā,ā¦ I guess targeting a ānetā effect). Not all though, but some.
I believe I read in one of Dave Palumboās columns that he felt a similar way, that the supp companies were really pushing it with these products to get around the FDA.
S
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
bobo86 wrote:
honestly, if i were to ever go into prohormone territory, I would have just picked up some H-drol for 25 bucks, enough for a 4 week cycle. Then get some reversitol or 6-oxo for PCT.
LMAO!
Yeah, resveratrol is the ultimate in PCT.
It is called reverse-it-all.
My bad.
Either way, it would be stupid to consider over the counter products as proper PCT.
Even I know this.
You really think so? I think a few years ago I would have agreed with you, but I get the vibe that thereās some damn āstrongā OTC stuff being put out (some people are just using the PCT as their ācyclesā,ā¦ I guess targeting a ānetā effect). Not all though, but some.
I believe I read in one of Dave Palumboās columns that he felt a similar way, that the supp companies were really pushing it with these products to get around the FDA.
S
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Hmmm, well Iāve only ever used MAG-10 so canāt speak from experince with the mentioned, but why would people be using SERMās and AIās when they could use OTC products which do the same thing?
Iām fairly certain that the āSARMSā you see advertised with Victor Martinez in the ads are complete B.S. In fact, I donāt think Iāve heard of anyone actually making use of real SARMS, only reading that there are studies being done. Think about it, Specific Andorgen Receptionā¦ something -donāt remember the specifics now- sounds pretty complicated, chances are it would be used for treating people with serious illnesses, not advertised by some BBing supplement company for 30 bucks -lol.
S
WAY too much for this! Biotest is out of their minds with this one. $$$ is better spent on a good PT pushing me to my limit than some miracle supp.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
crod266 wrote:
What exactly would happen if at 17 i took this
Probably no adverse effect but physical maturation is a complex and incompletely understood process. There is no way to know that there might be a long-term outcome that would outweigh any immediate benefits.
Well, there would be a way, with identical twin studies, but Iād consider it unethical to do the study, and I think so would any independent review board.
Hey, at 17 you have great gains available to you ājustā from getting the training and nutrition right. Really and truly.
[/quote]
o ok i got ya, ya I might have to order some now and use in in like years incase its banned by the time im older haha
[quote]BADASS MENTALITY wrote:
WAY too much for this! Biotest is out of their minds with this one. $$$ is better spent on a good PT pushing me to my limit than some miracle supp.[/quote]
must not be too much seeing as several people jumped at it right away.
No the question was more in reference to catabolized muscle tissue.
Say Iām on the Cheat to Lose diet for example.
When youāre in a catabolic state as is often result of desired fat loss, youāre going to lose some muscle along the way.
So IF I direly wish to keep the certain hardgained muscle in favor of the not so hard gained muscle tissue.
Will this help allow me to keep my sought after physique proportions.
In essense, is this the ultimate sculpting body supplement.
[quote]BADASS MENTALITY wrote:
WAY too much for this! Biotest is out of their minds with this one. $$$ is better spent on a good PT pushing me to my limit than some miracle supp.[/quote]
LOL, what if you are a PT and it required nothing to ask a friend to push you for a set or even a whole workout.
I think if this promises what it delivers, it might not substitute for good hard effort and intensity, but it would certainly add a new caliber rifle to your aresenal.
Who here is sculpting and wouldnāt wish to keep their hard earned calves or prevent their chest from losing a 10lb edge on bench when going into a diet reg.
I might very well be interpreting this incorrectly though. Weāll see once Bill responds to my last post.
I still think any new supp is a nice scientific addition to an otherwise bleak future in BBing. I think the rate at which we are making breakthroughs is a result of demand.
So if there is a supplier with that interest in mind, more power to them if they can crank out a supp that only 1 out of 5 posters on this thread actually order.
Iām sorry but I really canāt understand a single one of those acronyms mind helping me out or just cuttin it out?
itās not like I can use answers.com on things like PCTā¦
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
The Mighty Stu wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
bobo86 wrote:
honestly, if i were to ever go into prohormone territory, I would have just picked up some H-drol for 25 bucks, enough for a 4 week cycle. Then get some reversitol or 6-oxo for PCT.
LMAO!
Yeah, resveratrol is the ultimate in PCT.
It is called reverse-it-all.
My bad.
Either way, it would be stupid to consider over the counter products as proper PCT.
Even I know this.
You really think so? I think a few years ago I would have agreed with you, but I get the vibe that thereās some damn āstrongā OTC stuff being put out (some people are just using the PCT as their ācyclesā,ā¦ I guess targeting a ānetā effect). Not all though, but some.
I believe I read in one of Dave Palumboās columns that he felt a similar way, that the supp companies were really pushing it with these products to get around the FDA.
S
Hmmm, well Iāve only ever used MAG-10 so canāt speak from experince with the mentioned, but why would people be using SERMās and AIās when they could use OTC products which do the same thing?[/quote]
[quote]FightingScott wrote:
LOLZ!
A SPRAY!?
If Iām gonna spend $200+ on any substance thatās supposed to make me bigger, faster, and stronger it better be
A) Something that goes directly into my blood!
B) 20 Pounds of Whey Protein.
I gotta give props for referencing one of the best movie scenes Iāve seen in a while, but I thought Biotest had more backbone than this. Even other companies who tout having āsteroid-likeā products with steroid-sounding names donāt put up products in this price bracket. [/quote]
Normally, I would agree with you. By and large however, Biotest products have treated me well. I never tried Androsol, wish I would have. MAG-10 and supporting products rocked. For the money, I could just buy some test but I will give Biotest a try on this.
Monopoly
Mr. Roberts,
I am a VERY hairy man. After reading that the key is getting this stuff all over your body without rubbing it in, I am a bit concerned. Knowing this, what would you recommend? Iām not the metro-sexual type that shaves, but I am open to it. Other than that is rubbing it in that problematic?
Iām sure this is a minutia question but I have to ask. Does body hair reduce the amount of T-11 thatās absorbed, or not make much of a difference?
Nice. Canāt wait to try this stuff!
Iām sure a lot of new guys will buy into this, though. Great marketing and a seemingly easy way to pack on the pounds. And itās legal? Thatās madness.
But Iāll probably pick some up next month. Iāll assume the production will continue.
Wow . . . sounds really interesting, and I really want to try it; I just canāt.
If I had any extra money to spend, I would most likely get some essentials before trying thisāthat is unless some freaky reviews start coming in, and I am keeping my fingers crossed.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
must not be too much seeing as several people jumped at it right away.[/quote]
I think itās kind of funny to see the difference between the older, more experienced lifters with careers and disposable income, and the fifteen year olds who get pissed off about spending twenty bucks on protein.
On the bright side, there doesnāt seem to be a whole lot of āthank god, I can finally stop all of this stupid lifting and just squirt myself with thisā going on.