A SPRAY!?
If I’m gonna spend $200+ on any substance that’s supposed to make me bigger, faster, and stronger it better be
A) Something that goes directly into my blood!
B) 20 Pounds of Whey Protein.
I gotta give props for referencing one of the best movie scenes I’ve seen in a while, but I thought Biotest had more backbone than this. Even other companies who tout having “steroid-like” products with steroid-sounding names don’t put up products in this price bracket.
[quote]FightingScott wrote:
LOLZ!
A SPRAY!?
If I’m gonna spend $200+ on any substance that’s supposed to make me bigger, faster, and stronger it better be
A) Something that goes directly into my blood!
B) 20 Pounds of Whey Protein.
I gotta give props for referencing one of the best movie scenes I’ve seen in a while, but I thought Biotest had more backbone than this. Even other companies who tout having “steroid-like” products with steroid-sounding names don’t put up products in this price bracket. [/quote]
yeah, the spray does come off gimmicky. But, if these guys feel it’s the best delivery system available who am I to argue.
At least it’s not BSN coming out with this. The reputation of a company should be the deciding factor in something like this. Not the lack of good products like it from other non-reputable companies.
Where do you get the $200? It’s $124.95.
An injectable would be preferable but we can’t legally do it. It would actually be only about twice as efficient, though. So yes, it’s about doubling the cost making it the topical rather than an injectable.
On the whey protein comparison: If paying the $124.95 would prevent you from adequate protein consumption, and the only way you can have adequate protein is to not spend that on the 11-T, then indeed I would recommend not spending it.
Very intriguing and exciting, to say the least. Is this the “Anaconda” we’ve heard so much about?
Were guys using this stuff in advance of the release date? Any anecdotes to report? Any before and after pics?
could this effect acne at all? is it oily?
If I buy two bottles, and the product doesn’t work, can I get my money back for both bottles?
I realize you only get a refund for your first order of a product. But my understanding is that this means the first single item?
I’d like to try the product, but if I order, I’ll want to give it a fair shake by ordering two bottles. I’d have to be stuck with a bottle if the product doesn’t work for me.
PCT?
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
If I buy two bottles, and the product doesn’t work, can I get my money back for both bottles?
I realize you only get a refund for your first order of a product. But my understanding is that this means the first single item?
I’d like to try the product, but if I order, I’ll want to give it a fair shake by ordering two bottles. I’d have to be stuck with a bottle if the product doesn’t work for me.[/quote]
I was wondering that too.
Granted, you don’t have to open the 2nd bottle for a while, but it’d still be nice to know that company fully believes in their product that they would offer it for both bottles.
Is 11-T contraindicated with any supplements or medications?
I bought some. I will report my results. Bill, the idea here is to eat a ton when you cycle the spray, right?
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
FightingScott wrote:
LOLZ!
A SPRAY!?
If I’m gonna spend $200+ on any substance that’s supposed to make me bigger, faster, and stronger it better be
A) Something that goes directly into my blood!
B) 20 Pounds of Whey Protein.
I gotta give props for referencing one of the best movie scenes I’ve seen in a while, but I thought Biotest had more backbone than this. Even other companies who tout having “steroid-like” products with steroid-sounding names don’t put up products in this price bracket.
yeah, the spray does come off gimmicky. But, if these guys feel it’s the best delivery system available who am I to argue.
At least it’s not BSN coming out with this. The reputation of a company should be the deciding factor in something like this. Not the lack of good products like it from other non-reputable companies.[/quote]
Why not use a sublingual pill? It would probably be more effective way of absorption, and then you could actually “tout” its benefits in other forms than skin… Spray does come off gimmicky.
Or are there any studies to back up the claims this product makes?
Question for ya, Mr. Roberts:
I know it’s not the big bang that everyone’s excited about, but TC mentioned feeling a buzz from 11-T. How would this compare to the sense of wellbeing 4-AD-EC provided (if it’s possible to compare)? Or is a pretty individual thing, and I should just keep my fingers crossed?
Thanks!
By the way, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, it’s always great to have you around.
Wow,… I actually used the androsol and nandrosol when they were around, and I guess I did have some good gains. I was still mostly a newb, and looking back, I certainly could have trained, and eaten better.
(MAG-10 never really blew me away though, in fact, I was disappointed in it, especially because it was so damn expensive when it first came out!)
Still,… I’ve since tried several of the prohormones that are around (superdrol, Pheraplex), and despite the advice to use some sort of PCT, the cost was nothing compared to this stuff (and I saw pretty good results).
I mean, let’s face it, even with the added kick of a pro-hormone, you need to get your protein in, get enough ‘real’ food, keep your fish oils coming (at least I do-lol)…
I love Biotest, and am happy with the majority of their stuff, but I know guys who spend less than what a bottle of this costs to get a bottle of real test.
I’m gonna watch from the sidelines on this one fellas. Keep me posted though.
S
I probably could have used this a couple months ago when I had to do a cycle of prednisone for a serious poison ivy reaction.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
FightingScott wrote:
LOLZ!
A SPRAY!?
If I’m gonna spend $200+ on any substance that’s supposed to make me bigger, faster, and stronger it better be
A) Something that goes directly into my blood!
B) 20 Pounds of Whey Protein.
I gotta give props for referencing one of the best movie scenes I’ve seen in a while, but I thought Biotest had more backbone than this. Even other companies who tout having “steroid-like” products with steroid-sounding names don’t put up products in this price bracket.
yeah, the spray does come off gimmicky. But, if these guys feel it’s the best delivery system available who am I to argue.
At least it’s not BSN coming out with this. The reputation of a company should be the deciding factor in something like this. Not the lack of good products like it from other non-reputable companies.[/quote]
Dude, don’t knock BSN too hard. They haven’t released a spray.
And a skin spray has to be one of the worst delivery methods for anything. Defiantly lower than pill form. I doubt even 40% of this stuff gets absorbed.
This skin isn’t exactly designed to absorb stuff. If you want something in your blood, scientifically speaking you gotta go with swallowing it, snorting it, sticking it up your ass, or injecting it.
Why someone would purchase this product over actual testosterone is beyond me.
Then look at the BSN Line. Most of their products are either fat-burners/energy stimulants that deliver results because their chock full of caffeine or they’re copy-cat products of weight-gainers and muscle-milk. I’m not saying BSN is better than Biotest.
I’m just saying I wouldn’t even expect this kind of a bullshit product from them because I don’t think they sell total bullshit products.
Maybe Biotest thinks they need to deviate from their more basic product line. An energy suppliment (Spike) that doesn’t promise an energy buzz with some secret ingredients or any bullshit - just a ton of caffeine.
That’s an honest product. Metabolic Drive but just a little bit better than what the old Met-Rx was - another honest product. Surge: a ton of BCAAs and easily digestible sugars for replenishing glycogen stores - another honest product. Biotest’s Creatine - fuck, it’s creatine.
Biotest should have just kept making staple products like this that obviously work. If they’re really hurting for a new product, then make something with Waxy Maize. Hell, make an NO product.
Who are they kidding? They’re not going to attract the 16 year old crowd whose still paying the Weider tax by buying a bunch of fake-steroid products because those kids don’t have the cash to drop to pay for this stuff.
[quote]FightingScott wrote:
Why someone would purchase this product over actual testosterone is beyond me. [/quote]
Because it’s legal.
(I don’t completely disagree though.)
Edit:
Actually, I do mostly.
If someone were to have some MAG-10 frozen and awaiting use, would it be opportune to combine 11-T with the MAG-10 cycle?
Is there any research to show what gains were made in a population of a group who trains and eats a proper diet consistently as a control group and another group who do the same, but add this spray to their schedule?
I am sure people will be posting their results but you can’t exactly know what effect the product has without a control group.
An average gain in lean mass and decrease in body fat would be interesting to see. Until such results can be shown, someone point them out to me if I have missed it, it’s effects are just a hypothesis.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
yeah, the spray does come off gimmicky. But, if these guys feel it’s the best delivery system available who am I to argue.[/quote]
I take it that you never used Androsol or Nandrosol.
Those were two of the best supps I’ve ever used. Properly designed sprays are definitely not a gimmick in my book.
Do a search and see how much people liked them.
[quote]Addiction wrote:
Is there any research to show what gains were made in a population of a group who trains and eats a proper diet consistently as a control group and another group who do the same, but add this spray to their schedule?
I am sure people will be posting their results but you can’t exactly know what effect the product has without a control group.
An average gain in lean mass and decrease in body fat would be interesting to see. Until such results can be shown, someone point them out to me if I have missed it, it’s effects are just a hypothesis.
[/quote]
yeah because all those “ADS” in the muscle mags about increase your muscle mass 300% are so legit. It’s easy to twist numbers to your advantage.
I’m more interested in the science behind a product. I’ll use myself as the test subject to see what gains are made (assuming the product makes sense)
