How many cycles can be done in a row? For example, 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, etc…
Until your Huuuuuge.
I’m sure Bill has a reccomendation…but I would tend to think that it’s a personal preference.
Not too many of the smart ones take a supplement that effects Test for too long, even if it’s cycled.
just wanted to say that I’m using this stuff now for the final 2 weeks of cutting. And the results have been great. I’ve even been able to increase my carb intake (mainly bread) and still notice body fat loss, mainly in the abdominal region. Finally able to see the abs again when flexing.
Almost makes me want to go into maintenance for my 2 weeks off and run it again for another 2 weeks to cut up a little more. haven’t decided yet. I’m really ready to start putting on size again though 
hey jf (or anyone who knows),
have you come across any info about whether it’s more effective to use before or after workouts?
Allright fellas.
Im on this…11-T. Thought Id give it a try and my dad offered to pay for it and try a bottle with me. So fuck it.
5"10
235 pounds.
~22 % bf.
340 pound bench
470 pound deadlift
20 years old (yeah i know a year off sue me guys)
Day 2: No difference in weight or body comp. But I do “feel” better. Hard to describe. More later.
[quote]1morerep wrote:
hey jf (or anyone who knows),
have you come across any info about whether it’s more effective to use before or after workouts?
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Based on our time course blood level studies with a highly similar compound – the skin diffusion properties will not be substantially different – blood levels will be pretty constant when applying as recommended 2x/day.
So timing relative to workout is not important, as blood levels will be about the same regardless. The respect in which time of workout may affect best times of application is if you like, after workouts, showering with soap and drying via rubbing with a towel. If so that will remove an application, so it would be best to have one of the applications of that day either at that time or reasonably shortly afterwards such as within an hour, and the other application about 12 hours before or after that, give or take a few hours if convenience requires.
Well, just finished my 2 weeks of 11-T for my cut (6 weeks total). Can see the top 4 abs nicely again when flexing, but overall skin folds didn’t change much at all. Especially the “lower” abs where the skinfold is measured.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Well, just finished my 2 weeks of 11-T for my cut (6 weeks total). Can see the top 4 abs nicely again when flexing, but overall skin folds didn’t change much at all. Especially the “lower” abs where the skinfold is measured.[/quote]
What was your overall change in body composition?
Since lower ab skinfolds are often the last to change on many males, you just may not have gotten your overall body fat low enough to see a difference in this area.
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
Well, just finished my 2 weeks of 11-T for my cut (6 weeks total). Can see the top 4 abs nicely again when flexing, but overall skin folds didn’t change much at all. Especially the “lower” abs where the skinfold is measured.
What was your overall change in body composition?
Since lower ab skinfolds are often the last to change on many males, you just may not have gotten your overall body fat low enough to see a difference in this area.[/quote]
For the last 2 weeks body fat stayed the same (I was lax on the diet and nutrition sadly because I saw the 11-T working on the abs as was, so I didn’t really push myself).
overall skinfold was down 4mm from a 6-site test
6 site?
Not saying there is no such thing but I’d only known of 3, 4, 7, and 9 site methods.
On the perhaps-faulty assumption that effect of 1 mm of total skinfold change may be quite similar in the 6 site method to the Jackson-Pollock 7 site method, then 4 mm loss total is about a 0.6 % bf loss.
Not much for 8 weeks if correct.
However, unless multiple tests both pre and post were taken and results averaged, inaccuracy is extremely likely.
For example, suppose that of the 6 sites four of them measured a mere half-mm less than true value, while the other two measured at true value, for a net result of 2 mm less than true value.
And suppose the post test worked out the opposite, for 2 mm more than true value.
Not unlikely at all.
In that case, the true loss in total skinfolds was about 8 mm, not the 4 mm that a single pre and single post test yields as the value.
Still not great for 8 weeks, but the point is I wouldn’t take the values as being any more precisely meaningful than they really are, which is not really precise.
Hopefully that time period went well for you in other ways. If you look better in the mirror and/or are stronger, that means more than the skinfold test. Or if not, that is more conclusive than the skinfold test as well.
The exception is that there is a point past which someone is overfat enough that real and significant improvement is still hard to see and might not be recognized, but is definitely measurable as being positively real by skinfold. However it doesn’t sound as if you’re in that place.
I should clarify.
The above posted was only a 2 week comparison of my final 2 weeks of a 6 week cut.
6 site
Chest, Ab, Oblique, Back, Triceps, Thigh
I agree Bill. Usually a skinfold test after 2 weeks not showing much improvement (though still some), would leave me feeling disappointed. But, I did slack on the diet and cardio, and I can see very visible big changes in the abdominal region. So, I’m very happy with the results overall.
Bill,
Thanks for the response. Another quick question if I may:
It is to be used everyday I believe I read. Isn’t it somewhat of a waste to use on non-workout days? What are the benefits of use on my rest days when I would assume cortisol levels are within the normal range?
Thanks in advance.
Whether fat is lost or gained is or may be (depending on planning) just as much an issue on non-workout days as workout days.
Also effect on muscle is probably slow acting, in the sense of it taking 3-4 days to get maximal response in terms of changed protein synthesis after receptor activation due to time required for increased mRNA production to give increased protein production. Not that this is measured with this compound but it would typically be the case. So in other words the result in terms of muscle you get on any particular day is not dependent only on that day but mostly on previous recent days.
Is it ok to run this for, lets say 6 weeks along with a prohormone such as Epistane? I will be taking a SERM post cycle, along with a test booster such as Alpha Male.
I have no experience with epistane. However in general combining with an androgenic prohormone would not be a problem.
Six-week use of the 11-T isn’t a problem either if having a post-cycle plan such as you do have. A key reason for label recommendation of two week cycles is to be safe without requiring taking a SERM post-cycle. That is not a concern in your case. A 6 week cycle would be fine given your plan.
what are the guidelines, if any, as to whether to use it 1 or 2x a day? obviously it’s a bit too $ to be wasting. so how will i know if 1 application a day is enough or if 2 apps is too much and being wasted?
oh yes and you mentioned in an earlier post that it doesn’t make sense to take TRIBEX while using 11-T. but what about Carbolin 19 19?
thanks
Two applications is not being wasted: it will be more effective than one dose.
However, it might be the case that 2x/day dosing may not give twice the amount of improvement that 1x/day does, but some lesser multiple.
Not that this figure has any particular truth to it, but for the sake of discussion let’s say that 2x/day dosing for a given user under a given training and diet situation will give him 1.5 times the results (compared to not using the product.)
Well, is the diminishing return “worth it”?
That will depend on how much he personally values the extra 50% improvement and on his financial situation and how the two factors work together. There is no way for an outside person to say whether it is then worth it for him to use 2x/day instead of 1x.
gotcha bill … i see what you’re saying and thx. and Carbolin 19 19 with 11-T ok?
I just want to say, 2x a day works quite well. Not sure I would even take it once per day.
As Bill said, there might be slightly less results going above once per day, but IMO, it’s almost wasting it by using once per day to NOT get full benefit.
1more- go for twice, I want to see what someone at your level can get from it at full dose 
Yes, Carbolin 19-19 with 11-T is okay to combine and should help.